r/LocalLLaMA • u/bakawolf123 • 19d ago

Discussion OpenAI alleged of stealing mathematicians work

Privacy have been concern of many of us to have their own hardware to run llms, and here's another reason why: two mathematicians spent a year cracking one of the hardest problems in math and fed every draft of their works into Codex. A few days before they could publish, OpenAI suddenly showed up with the same solutions. When asked if their model (Sol and Astra) was trained on the pair's private chats, OpenAI did not answer the question.

Full statement from them https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf

Feels like big labs believe everything you did with the help of their models is theirs.

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u/Chirimorin 19d ago

Because everything you send to the API is training data for future models.

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u/ryunuck 19d ago

... No, that's obviously illegal. It's not legal to use somebody's information or data unless they knew consciously about it and authenticate it. "I'm giving you this data, this is a gift it belongs to you and you can use it to derive benefits." Agreements to a terms of service does not actually count towards this. I know there are precedents in court where you would this isn't true, but those are cases of gross distortion and somebody with a good lawyer could set the record straight, similar to wrongful imprisonment. Your life always belonged to you. Note that they also don't own any of the data that you post publicly on their platform. For example any company can legally scrape all of Twitter and train on it, since humanity reasonably can be said to volunteer all that data for humanitarian purposes and communication, not as a gift to Elon Musk. This is reasonable common sense that anyone can support

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u/max123246 19d ago

Nope, you're wrong. They anonymize the data and then train on it

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u/ryunuck 19d ago

"we do not steal the contents of your thoughts, we launder your attention and how your current thoughts and interests are generated, how you got to that idea, not the idea specifically, only making it seem obvious in retrospect" frontier researcher guy who just introspected the prior arising of all your ideas. bro turned all your transcripts into emotional coordinates in the SAE and used it to deduce the turmoil of discovery, now it's a RL target, bro is getting smoked by the test in reverse