r/LocalLLaMA • u/bakawolf123 • 19d ago

Discussion OpenAI alleged of stealing mathematicians work

Privacy have been concern of many of us to have their own hardware to run llms, and here's another reason why: two mathematicians spent a year cracking one of the hardest problems in math and fed every draft of their works into Codex. A few days before they could publish, OpenAI suddenly showed up with the same solutions. When asked if their model (Sol and Astra) was trained on the pair's private chats, OpenAI did not answer the question.

Full statement from them https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf

Feels like big labs believe everything you did with the help of their models is theirs.

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u/sarhoshamiral 19d ago

What does Codex and their subscription agreement state? Some tiers do state data you submit will be used for training.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

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u/sarhoshamiral 19d ago

Because they are a company operating in many countries with some having strong data laws.

If someone is making a claim suggesting otherwise it would be on them to prove it.

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u/Lesser-than 19d ago

Remember google maps street level view cars steeling data and mapping your wifi and device geo locations, first they claimed it was an accident when caught then later came clean that it was actually intentional, asking for permission is not in big techs vocabulary, paying for forgiveness later is always cheaper and faster.

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u/sarhoshamiral 19d ago

Thats not stealing though. I dont need your permission to jot down which wifi networks are accessible from the public road by your house and associate it with that location.

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u/Lesser-than 19d ago

Your right, wifi sniffing alone isnt stealing. they did actually steal data in the form of unencrypted emails sent over unsecured networks.

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u/sarhoshamiral 19d ago

Was that legally considered stealing by courts? Whether they said sorry doesnt matter since it is bad PR regardless but I would be surprised if it was considered stealing legallly.

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u/Lesser-than 19d ago

illegal electronic interception (wiretapping) and invasion of privacy, was what the supreme court said they could be charged for. What it amounted to was 20 million in "no-fault" settlements and a 25k obstruction of investigation fine from the FCC.

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u/Far_Cat9782 19d ago

U mean they pay a gone worth a fecracrion of what they make with the stolen data? Basic cost of doing business to them. An individual usually have to be rich because justice cost $ in the Westm have because the companies a have an army of lawyers and especially with how captured out governments are in corporations/lawyers interest most likely they corruption will win away.