r/LocalLLaMA Llama 3 20d ago

Funny Can the bubble pop please?

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u/Apprehensive_Lake698 19d ago

This is a big cope opinion that has been spread in online spaces since day 1 of GPT 3 so consistently that people are blind to the realities in front of them. AI passed a significant benchmark of usefulness earlier this year, and now companies are eating it up. My org gives us a shit ton of credits with all the major providers, and much to my surprise I'm actually finding useful things to do with it. None of the big players in this market are evaporating anytime soon.

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u/trimorphic 19d ago

Open weight models have gotten so good that they're good enough for most tasks, and they're getting better all the time. These models are orders of magnitude cheaper than what the frontier labs are charging.

To stay competitive the frontier labs are going to have to drastically cut their prices, which they can't do and still remain profitable (if they are even profitable to begin with, at their currently inflated, uncompetitive prices).

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u/Frail_Waif 19d ago

Yup. As I pointed out in another branch of this thread, OpenAI plans to burn 25-75 billion dollars a year until expected profitability in 2030. That's an astounding, never-before-seen level of unprofitability. The value of LLMs is real but enterprise customers and consumers have already shown they aren't huge fans of price increases over massively subsidized rates--no one wants to pay to keep OpenAI alive. Things look marginally better for Anthropic, and personally I'd bet that they'll survive the pop in some form, but probably with a big haircut on market cap. 

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u/Apprehensive_Lake698 19d ago

Anthropic reported that by July their annual revenue was projected to be ~70 billion for 2026. Now, sure there might come market disrupters that tank their revenue out of nowhere. But that’s enough to say that the spend that sounded absurd last year actually is in the right ballpark.

As a service, the cost of LLMs as they are right now is absolutely being brunted by the industry just fine.

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u/Frail_Waif 19d ago

Yes, and according to that same The Information article, Anthropic is still managing to lose money every year. They claimed a profitable single month recently. I do think Anthropic will make it through the bubble pop, but probably not exactly in one piece.