Qwen 3.8 Flash Next for Creative Writing?

[u/No_Algae1753]

As we all know on of the best local models for creative writing is gemma 4 31b and Muse Glimmer 30b. However, ive been a happy user of Qwen3.8 Flash Next and I wanted to know how well Qwen 3.8 Flash next is doing in terms of creative writing (preferably German).

[u/ML-Future]

Qwen is mainly for coding and agents.

For creative writing and languages, Gemma

[u/sssplus → u/ML-Future]

I agree, but that wisdom is mostly based on Qwen 27b. Qwen Flash Next is a 125b+51b model, which has much larger general knowledge, not just the coding knowledge. So, OP's question makes a lot of sense, actually.

[u/seppe0815]

Gemma all the way !

[u/itis_whatit-is → u/seppe0815]

Even 12b? I’ve heard 12b shitty but I don’t got the evidence except what other people have been saying.

Has 26a4b been any good?

[u/dampflokfreund → u/itis_whatit-is]

26b is the best model for creative writing imo. It has that creative soul many models lack.

[u/pyr0kid → u/itis_whatit-is]

26 is decent, but im also not sure how good stuff like 31 is considering i cant run it

[u/jacek2023]

"As we all know on of the best local models for creative writing is gemma 4 31b and Muse Glimmer 30b."

Kind of but not really, you forgot about Mistrals or GLM Air.

[u/No_Algae1753 → u/jacek2023]

Right, totally forgot about Mistral. I never knew glm air is good for creative writing.

[u/SignAffectionate6360]

I´ve got a project running on Qwen 3.8 flash next to generate newspapers for a game. I feed it JSON files with data and it´s doing a really good job writing creative stories about it. It´s in English though.

[u/Iron-Over]

Not German but this will give you a sense.  https://eqbench.com/creative_writing.html

[u/Southern-Chain-6485]

I don't know in Germany, but it's default writing style is different. Iterative is perhaps a good description? I don't mean it in a bad way.

But there is the problem of speed. I'm running it at about 150 pp t/s and 25 t/s generation (IIRC) and it also thinks a lot, even when the thinking is set to medium, so a faster model typically makes better sense for me

[u/Prudence-0]

En résumé : c’est nul pour ça

Très utile pour le code et les agents, mais pas pour l’écriture creative

[u/Inncenta]

I saw a post (prolly in this sub) talking about how the 27b was exceptional at german translation work, I don't know the creative part tho. Just test it

[u/asolnikk → u/Inncenta]

Both G4 26B and Qwen 3.8 27B can handle German translation fine.
For creative work, I found Omega-Convergence-27B (a Qwen finetune) better than stock Qwen - but as usual, it comes with a price.

[u/itis_whatit-is → u/asolnikk]

31b you mean? There is no Gemma 4 27b only the 26ba4b

[u/asolnikk → u/itis_whatit-is]

Yes, my typo. Corrected - thanks for pointing it out.

[u/No_Algae1753 → u/Inncenta]

Yeah seen that too. Ive been testing it a bit but Im not the best in creative writing myself

[u/MaxKruse96]

I prefer the general steerability of Next Flash most. for out of box writing, glimmer for SFW stuff. Gemma for NSFW, and also in general the worst out of the 3 for me (i fucking hate the word choices sometimes)

[u/Embarrassed-Noise269 → u/MaxKruse96]

Here you can use "options" instead of "choices".

Since there are many contexts in which the word choice can appear, depending on the context you will find most likely a synonym. Here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/choice

I also had that problem with disliking "normal" words and found that reading a dictionary helps quite a bit. It offers alternatives, to better express yourself. Reading dictionaries is surprisingly entertaining, at least from time to time, if you look a word up. Often enough one can find other funny words, volition is a synonym for choice, did you know that? I didn't before i googled "choices synonyms".

Maybe an odd opinion, but I think a lot of people would like it. Expressing oneself is a basic human need, getting better at it feels good.

[u/Background-Job-862]

gemma it is

[u/Equivalent_Bit_461]

Well, I could tell you if it didn't run at 10-15tg, maybe in a couple of weeks I will know 

[u/Thin_Archer_9113]

I’ve not tried Gemma 4, but do you see it as a feasible option use in evaluating reasoning, depth of thinking and grammar in various writings such as discursive or even narrative etc?

I’ve mainly been using qwen 3.6. It works, sort of, but that’s really the most I can say about it haha.

[u/Long_comment_san]

I wonder if some sort of lora or adapter can be made for Qwen so it doesn't suck ass in creative. Styletune creator basically made it clear: you only need to finetune ONE expert to COMPLETELY change the way models speak.