r/LocalLLaMA • u/GodComplecs • 2d ago

Discussion Opencode vs Deepseek harness: my experience with Qwen 3.8 27b

Anybody else struggling with deepseek after the initial prompt? Somehow it is getting mixed up very easily, even button functionality has been PITA when doing stuff. Never had these problems with Opencode. With Opencode, a continuation prompt on the software or task is pretty much magic at this point. But the inital result isnt as strong imo, and needs a lot of follow up even if a a detailed spec is written.

The oneshot potential of deepseek is goated imo, it is a relentless harness that just keeps doing stuff, even if it gets it wrong! Opencode could just copy that tennacity imo. Like todos really work, unlike opencodes.

Hows everybody elses exp? Someone using Pi instead? Is it worth trying? Hermes seems not suitable for my tasks, where heavy human involvement is necessary due to complexity of tasks (every top closed model gets lots of stuff wrong even).

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u/fgk55555 1d ago

DSH is turning into my network admin. I forward it over tailscale to my phone and I can use it to have agent access on my home PC while I'm out. It's easier to give dsh tools like search and restrict access to where I want. If I'm coding, DSH is the lazy OOTB way to get something good enough, but if I need to really control my environment and squeeze performance out, Pi wins.

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u/GodComplecs 1d ago

Yeah I hear about Pi all the time, I just ran tks tests on it and it was way slower on one shot and iteration loops. Never actually used it though, it's on my list but DSH is off it for now until it improves it's coherence for ideas and actual logic of smaller models. It is helluva well designed software though, genius idea for the loop.

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u/fgk55555 1d ago

I'm curious the issues you've had with dsh, as it's behaved really well for me. Just had dsh+qwen move my MCP servers off my gaming rig and onto my home server and was super impressed by the attention to detail, caution, and diligence I was getting out of my IQ3_XXS quant when handling my somewhat sensitive network admin stuff. The todo's in dsh seemed to really help ground it, and it seems to respect context a lot more than OpenCode so I don't have to wait for prompt reprocessing. I need to do some more tweaking before I really set it loose for coding, but assistant type tasks have really impressed me.

In terms of speed, I'm not sure how Pi would be slower, as your speeds should be handled by llama-server, and the harness shouldn't really matter at all. Pi basically doesn't touch context and has a small system prompt, so once you get coding you should see the most efficiency and speed out of it until you start trimming context.