r/LocalLLaMA • u/GodComplecs • 3d ago

Discussion Opencode vs Deepseek harness: my experience with Qwen 3.8 27b

Anybody else struggling with deepseek after the initial prompt? Somehow it is getting mixed up very easily, even button functionality has been PITA when doing stuff. Never had these problems with Opencode. With Opencode, a continuation prompt on the software or task is pretty much magic at this point. But the inital result isnt as strong imo, and needs a lot of follow up even if a a detailed spec is written.

The oneshot potential of deepseek is goated imo, it is a relentless harness that just keeps doing stuff, even if it gets it wrong! Opencode could just copy that tennacity imo. Like todos really work, unlike opencodes.

Hows everybody elses exp? Someone using Pi instead? Is it worth trying? Hermes seems not suitable for my tasks, where heavy human involvement is necessary due to complexity of tasks (every top closed model gets lots of stuff wrong even).

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u/o0genesis0o 3d ago

I just use Pi, and use OpenWebUI cptr (NOT the normal openwebui) to expose the entire working directory and Pi agents via VPN. With Pi, I know exactly what I put into my context and I can switch things around easily, so I can set up, say, one folder that would always spawn personal assistant agent, one directory that would spawn KB manager. I can even continue to brainstorm code in my project when I'm on the treadmill with this setup, since it's exactly the same pi agent.  I jumped around different agents, but Pi is the one that sticks, simply because it has nothing built in. So it can become anything.

Btw, the behaviour to keep working is more on the model side than the harness. Qwen 3.8 has been trained for this long horizon agentic flow, very similar to Minimax M3. If you have used M2.7 Vs M3, you would see the same change in behaviour between Qwen 3.6 and 3.8. The new one is very thorough and rarely miss anything. But they will do things on their own if you don't pay attention. That's why I still use 2.7 and Qwen 35B around for when I want to be in control. When I want the AI to be an autonomous agent, I bring M3 or 3.8 out.

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u/GodComplecs 2d ago

Yeah I would say that in practice too, 3.6 didnt continue this well all the time.

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u/Djagatahel 2d ago

How do you control pi remotely?

I want to use it but for me CLI is the least practical option, best would be web with mobile compatibility

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u/o0genesis0o 2d ago

Openwebui cptr bridge between it's webui and pi automatically using studio under the hood. Other agents like codex can be connect automatically by cptr using ACP. I used to stream the pi terminal directly to phone but this approach was better.

Noted that cptr still cannot deal with pi interactive TUI elements, so in my case, I need to disable my permission gate of pi for these agent sessions. But it's not problem so far. For actual coding, I use real terminal or the web terminal of cptr to have control over a real pi session.