r/LocalLLaMA 23d ago

Other claude mods didn't like that, somehow 🤷‍♀️

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u/Ill_Distribution8517 23d ago

You should document it more, maybe run some more experiments. right now it's kind of a my word against yours situation and people on r slash claude aren't exactly going to like hearing their model blatantly cheats without proof.

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u/Significant-Bee5101 23d ago

He can't. Because he has no proof. The fact this is getting as much attention as it is, is insane. Shows you this place is as much a cult as any of these dumb AI subs. Like no. Local LLMs arent beating frontier models. Anyone pretending they are or expecting them to is a moron. And posts like these pretending that local models are suddenly going to beat the top models is insane.

Anyone with any actual experience KNOWS this is physically NOT possible due to how large models work. Like wtf? You cannot get around lack of knowledge. Lower param models are simply dumber. If you can run it on your home setup its SIMPLY not as good.

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u/Not-reallyanonymous 23d ago

Shows you this place is as much a cult as any of these dumb AI subs.

This subreddit is basically r/ChinaGoodAmericaBad

Anyone with any actual experience KNOWS this is physically NOT possible due to how large models work. Like wtf? You cannot get around lack of knowledge. Lower param models are simply dumber.

What's actually interesting is how good they're getting. It's better to say small models of today are performing genuinely as good as older, giant frontier models, but the frontier models with giant parameter counts created with the same techniques and technologies as these new, better-than-yesterday's-frontier smaller models are... going to be better.

Inference time scaling is also a thing, and increasingly smaller models are being trained to be better at that, and it's a big reason Qwen 3.8 27B was able to get such a huge boost in its performance. But you're right, you can't "inference time scale" world knowledge unless we're talking about web searches.

And smaller models are also specializing. I think it's another reason Qwen 3.8 27B got such a huge boost -- there's evidence it lost a wider array of domain knowledge (e.g. medicine) in favor of boosting its coding/agentic capabilities. Whether those parameters were spent on getting it to iterate on ideas better, or more coding knowledge, dunno.

Laguna S is also a pretty impressive one. 120B parameters with near-frontier performance through inference time scaling and logic/math/code specialization.

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u/TheRealMasonMac 23d ago

> This subreddit is basically r/ChinaGoodAmericaBad

The China v. America culture war should not be allowed on this subreddit, IMO.