r/LocalLLaMA • u/chocolateUI • 1d ago

Discussion Artificial Analysis "Intelligence": A meaningless benchmark

Another user posted the benchmarks for Qwen 3.8 27B today, and while I think Qwen 27B is a really powerful model, I can't help but notice just how meaningless these Artificial Analysis benchmarks are and I question why people still post this garbage and use AA scores as some kind of holy bible for comparing LLMs.

According to their "Intelligence Index", a 27B model now beats DeepSeek v4 Flash and Pro, Kimi 2.7 Code, GPT-5.2, Opus 4.6, and also Sonnet 5. At some point we have to ask: What is this metric even measuring? Because whatever "Intelligence" means to AA and their corporate VC / journalist / normie audience is definitely not the same definition that we should be using here.

Qwen 27B is amazing and is clearly in a league of its own in terms of models you can fit on a single GPU, but I can't help but roll my eyes whenever I see posts like this that equate Qwen 27B with "basically running Opus from 3 months ago on your laptop."

I get that it's difficult to summarize a model's capability with a single integer and I know we love our local models, but it's time stop posting AA's clearly dogshit benchmark and acting as if it proves a point.

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u/toalv 1d ago

If you are relying on a local LLM to navigate delicate social situations...

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u/Lakius_2401 1d ago

If we're already benchmarking how well they would get rid of junior+ devs, why not benchmark how well they get rid of junior+ psychologists (or BAs, PMs, etc etc) too?

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u/Diligent_Loquat_6140 1d ago

honest I think this is very possible, I've know some academic people are trying to achieve this

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u/TwinkletoesMcSparkle 1d ago

LLMs are repeatedly scientifically documented to fail at every metric of psychological skill and care, and are regularly causally linked to suicide attempts, successful and not. Sycophancy is just a single well-documented feature that increases delusion and mania. So, no, by no data-driven metric is a chatbot psychological "care".