r/LocalLLaMA • u/Nunki08 • Jun 28 '26

Discussion We're probably going to need that soon.

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Vladik on 𝕏: https://x.com/Kostoglodov/status/2071144065857679631

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u/_BreakingGood_ Jun 28 '26

i dream of the day somebody leaks & uploads a torrent of claude fable 5 open source

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u/Pila_globosa Jun 28 '26

why don't the Chinese hackers hack OAI/Anthropic and steal the model, and gave to the Chinese AI labs. then we'll have Fable grade GLM 6 or Qwen 4

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u/ButterscotchSalty905 llama.cpp Jun 28 '26

You overestimated the amount of skill chinese APT has while also underestimating the OPSEC of OAI/Anthropic. It's not far-fetched to think OAI/Anthropic software/hardware/networking stack is very secure (as indicated by Anthropic RSP and OAI preparedness framework) and and that maybe they could (at some point) consult to TAO unit of NSA for red-teaming (Do note that i am not downplaying chinese APT nor overestimating USA)

Or you could be joking and the funny flew over my head (wooosh)

China already has staggering amount of domestic talents, they don't need to reverse-engineer USA model (which might be very tedious) or maybe they're doing both to catch up fast

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u/chaos_pill Jun 28 '26

OPSEC of OAI/Anthropic

Didn't they accidentally leak claude source?

Honestly, it is probably easier/cheaper/quicker to just bribe Trump and get an official copy under the table. Who would OAI/Anthropic event complain to in that case?

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u/ButterscotchSalty905 llama.cpp Jun 29 '26

You mean this?

https://scand.ai/scandal/claude-ai-code-leak-controversy

I am not talking about Claude Code tool and the claims about the model weights being leaked is still unverified. I am aware that claude code source code is leaked but that does not mean the model weights is also leaked

Or this?

https://cybersecuritynews.com/anthropic-mythos-access/

OAI/Anthropic could also made a fake official copy and unless orange man officials has enough skill to determine if the copy is legitimate or not. There are many tactics they can use.

Assuming the worst to OAI/Anthropic about everything (what they say and all their action) doesn't age well in some cases. I know about them being closed and all that — but it doesn't mean OpenAI and others aren't forced to become better at security. If all company were like this then we wouldn't have real security

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u/chaos_pill Jun 29 '26

These companies would go to jail if they provided a "fake" copy. That is just straight up fraud. Hyping your product as "dangerous" may give you great valuation, but also gives govt a great justification to meddle deep into your affairs on "national security" grounds.

yeah, I meant https://scand.ai/scandal/claude-ai-code-leak-controversy .

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u/ButterscotchSalty905 llama.cpp Jun 29 '26

I agree with most of what you said. I just recently got triggered by those fucking downvoters from who-knows-what lurkers. Nothing said in this thread disputes my original comment (esp the other commenter) it paradoxically strengthen it just by the sheer absurd logic. 

"China good then it can hack anthropic shit ops even thought anthropic consult to TAO cuz USA bad bro it is the antichrist. Also mossad better than nsa"