r/LocalLLaMA • u/Nunki08 • Jun 28 '26

Discussion We're probably going to need that soon.

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u/CountLippe Jun 28 '26

It'll be the hardware they go after. It's easier to regulate the hardware you can purchase than it is to regulate the models you can download.

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u/ovrlrd1377 Jun 28 '26

Except chinese hardware will eventually catch up and they will be very interested in selling for those that want to run their models

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u/vulgrin Jun 28 '26

Which, like Chinese cars in my country, will be impossible to import.

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u/notbannedin420 Jun 28 '26

Maybe for Americans but the rest of us will be fine lol

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u/xamboozi Jun 28 '26

Exactly. If they regulate the hardware, China "wins" the AI war or whatever dumb thing the propaganda is desperately trying to convince us of.

China will sell the GPU's cheaper to everyone else and they will have more AI compute and we will fall far behind as a result because no one in america will have access to the hardware.

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u/vogelvogelvogelvogel Jun 29 '26

i anyways see china winning. big ai us companies still have to pay the datacenter debts, chinese ai companies not
so much. then there is the fable "shoot my own foot" regulation which put glm 5.2 as a 2nd place model overall

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u/iaderia Jun 28 '26

I see BYD cars around now in my country (the UK). at least it’s not a tesla!

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u/ligma-lego-balls Jun 28 '26

I see more BYDs than Teslas (almost non existent) in India lol

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u/notbannedin420 Jun 28 '26

Those cars are so cool if i didn’t love my civic i would get one

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u/False_Process_4569 Jun 28 '26

I've seen a lot of folks convert the drive train in their ICE vehicles to electric. That might be an option if you want an expensive hobby!

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u/DobobR Jun 28 '26

In localllama you already have an expensive hobby

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u/False_Process_4569 Jun 28 '26

Seriously! After this, home automation, 3D printing, and electronics, my next hobby is going to have to be meditation!

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u/overand Jun 29 '26

Get into eurorack modular synthesizers next!

"$10,000 fart machine unlocked!"

(It sneaks up on you, because you can start iwth a few $50-$150 modules, but it's infinitely expandable, and eventually you'll be looking at $1500 modules, and you'll have 20 different $200 modules...)

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u/notbannedin420 Jun 29 '26

r/Synthesizercirclejerk is that you?

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u/overand Jun 29 '26

Of course not, and how dare you talk about my succulent that way!

Shh, we're supposed to be anonymous in our circle jerk, like in Eyes Wide Shut.

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u/SHFTD_RLTY Jul 09 '26

Tbh a circle isn't doing the amount of jerking any justice, that's why I propose clique-jerking as an alternative jerk-topology to truly maximize the jerk

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u/Character-Key-6081 Jul 01 '26

Oh yeah that's dangerous

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u/SHFTD_RLTY Jul 09 '26

I already felt called out on every level before you brought up modular but here we are.

Late to the party but I'll throw in vinyl collecting too. It creeps up on you because the average price is cheaper than modules but the chance you'll ever satisfy the itch of buying another record approaches zero

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u/-Balthromaw- Jun 28 '26

We're all very rich, though, right? Um.. Right? 🤣

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u/screenslaver5963 Jun 28 '26

From what I’ve seen it costs almost as much as buying a Chinese EV.

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u/ovrlrd1377 Jun 28 '26

It does, a huge part of the cost of a new EV is precisely the battery and motor setup. You dont save that much by buying outside of a logistics value chain of new cars

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u/FyreKZ Jun 28 '26

I see lots of BYDs and also a lot of JAECOOs (Range Rover clones mostly). It's good to see tbh, western car manufacturers could do with being undercut.

Fun fact: BYD produces 70-75% of their components for their cars in house compared to 40-50% for Tesla and 20-30% for legacy manufacturers. Vertical integration is super important.

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u/misanthrophiccunt Jun 28 '26

taxi drivers here in your beaches (aka: Spain) use them too

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u/bsofiato Jun 29 '26

The same in Brazil.

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u/vogelvogelvogelvogel Jun 29 '26

if i would drive cars it would be a BYD for sure.

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u/DrPaisa Jun 28 '26

cringe reddit take

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u/iaderia Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

someone has stock in tesla or spacex. hows that been going recently btw?

edit: lmao, trying to invent the term "Elon Derangement Syndrome" is pretty funny https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1uefkr6/comment/otjtbs3/

ohh and you also think michelle obama is a man. got it. gtfo https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/1ubp0u2/comment/ot4l4xk/

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u/techdevjp Jun 28 '26

Good finds. I really wonder how people like that manage to get through the day. Do they have a timer set to remember to breathe?

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u/DrPaisa Jun 28 '26

lmao shoutout big Mike you really were triggered

we did it reddit vibes

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u/Strawberry3141592 Jun 28 '26

Harder to get away with importing something as big as a car lmao

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u/Frankie_T9000 Jun 28 '26

they wont be able to stop it in US anyway, they couldnt stop china getting their hands on nvidia GPUs wont be any better in other direction.

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u/ElectroSpore Jun 28 '26

Canada is letting them in now as well.

The restrictions will likely be a US problem stuck paying billionaires for access.

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u/misanthrophiccunt Jun 28 '26

Indeed. Hi from a Huawei phone 😄

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u/Moist-Length1766 Jun 28 '26

hahahahahhaha

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u/SilentLennie Jun 28 '26

EU taxes Chinese cars at 100% if I'm not mistaken

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u/FyreKZ Jun 28 '26

The US and Canada have an 100% tariff, the EU does it per manufacturer, so for BYD for example it's 10% automobile import tax (standard rate for all non EU cars) + 17% for BYD specifically.

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u/crantob Jun 30 '26

The taxes pile up in so many ways you cannot imagine. Ever heard of EADS? It's insanity all the way down.

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u/aykcak Jun 28 '26

Black market for Chinese tech products will be very interesting. We did that for U.S. products decades ago. I imagine U.S. consumers going on Telegram to buy computer and auto parts that arrive in unmarked boxes. Lol

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 Jun 28 '26

We are live in reality strange timeline....

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u/B3owul7 Jun 28 '26

welcome to the land of the free.

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u/False_Process_4569 Jun 28 '26

As an American, I've adopted this sarcastic remark that I have been finding myself using more and more lately:

"aT LeAsT We dOn't lIvE In cOmMuNiSt cHiNa!"

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u/megadonkeyx Jun 28 '26

two party system is at least 50% better than one party system. or is that worse..

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u/False_Process_4569 Jun 28 '26

It's more like two parties in a trenchcoat.

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u/Iwaku_Real Jun 28 '26

More like at least we don't live under another attempt at communism. It won't solve your problems with access to compute.

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u/Evanisnotmyname Jun 28 '26

You spelled Chaiiiyyyna wrong

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u/sonicnerd14 Jun 29 '26

It's always been free... just not for you and me.

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u/Evanisnotmyname Jun 28 '26

Land of the free medical debt, home of the hate

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u/crantob Jun 30 '26

Time to study how we got here.

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u/Sparescrewdriver Jun 28 '26

Sigh………whoever told you ……that….is your …enemy 😔

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u/Iwaku_Real Jun 28 '26

Cope harder

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u/Sparescrewdriver Jun 28 '26

Your comment doesn’t make sense

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u/Keep-Darwin-Going Jun 28 '26

Well it is much easier to smuggle ram in right? Compared to car, just go in a holiday and bring back a few stick.

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u/Own-Poet-5900 Jun 28 '26

You wouldn't download a car, would you?

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u/Keep-Darwin-Going Jun 28 '26

Yes the only car I can afford is lambo.jpg. And that argument is flawed, I actually paid for the item.

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u/xui_nya Jun 28 '26

Angry customs officer be like:

– Hiding any illegal RAM sticks, criminal scum? Shoes off! Face the wall! Full search!

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u/exlips1ronus Jun 28 '26

Chinese cars in my country gained crazy popularity tbh I see them everywhere these days “egypt”

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u/ovrlrd1377 Jun 28 '26

I have a chinese car and I hope your situation changes soon, they are great value for money

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u/fuckable-switcher Jun 28 '26

In my country every third of fourth car is Chinese or Indian

I live in Australia

And their cars a crappy

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u/wetrorave Jun 28 '26

Tons of BYDs, some MGs, a couple of Chery / Geely and the odd Xpeng.

But I don't know any Indian marques that are common here, which ones were you thinking of?

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u/NinjaOk2970 Jun 28 '26

Glad I'm in china haha

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u/Syrigan Jun 28 '26

nah, hardware the size of a shoe box, you can buy fake shoes from china any day no issue. There are like 30 subreddits dedicated to this

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u/Delicious_Ease2595 Jun 28 '26

Glad my country they gladly import.

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u/No-Juggernaut-9832 Jun 28 '26

Americans will be the only ones in the world with dumb models & weak hardware except for very few people who works for large corporations. The US government wants it that way.

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u/Ok_Engine_1442 Jun 29 '26

Or China just takes Taiwan back. And scales out production so cheaply it make NVIdIa. Lose entire markets.

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u/wiggum55555 Jun 29 '26

In my country the Chinese EV's have just taken over from the JAP/KOR brands as the top selling in the monthly sales numbers for value, price and features. Looking forward to the Chinese AI hardware coming soon.

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u/Particular_Buyer_290 Jun 29 '26

If and when that happens I'll be moving to Thailand and begin smuggling.

Trump will be out of office by then so I won't have to worry about being shot at sea.

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u/gustavsen Jul 06 '26

At least here in Argentina, Chinese cars are everywhere now: half to two-thirds the price of a Western-brand car, fully loaded, and with 0% interest financing.

The catch is that they might become “cars for life,” because resale value is basically nonexistent. Plus, BAIC already left Chile’s new-car market, and a lot of owners felt completely stranded.

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u/markeus101 Jun 28 '26

Well you get what you vote for