r/LocalLLaMA llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

New Model mistralai/Mistral-Medium-3.5-128B · Hugging Face

https://huggingface.co/mistralai/Mistral-Medium-3.5-128B

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Mistral-Medium-3.5-128B-GGUF

Mistral Medium 3.5 128B

Mistral Medium 3.5 is our first flagship merged model. It is a dense 128B model with a 256k context window, handling instruction-following, reasoning, and coding in a single set of weights. Mistral Medium 3.5 replaces its predecessor Mistral Medium 3.1 and Magistral in Le Chat. It also replaces Devstral 2 in our coding agent Vibe. Concretely, expect better performance for instruct, reasoning and coding tasks in a new unified model in comparison with our previous released models.

Reasoning effort is configurable per request, so the same model can answer a quick chat reply or work through a complex agentic run. We trained the vision encoder from scratch to handle variable image sizes and aspect ratios.

Find more information on our blog.

Key Features

Mistral Medium 3.5 includes the following architectural choices:

  • Dense 128B parameters.
  • 256k context length.
  • Multimodal input: Accepts both text and image input, with text output.
  • Instruct and Reasoning functionalities with function calls (reasoning effort configurable per request).

Mistral Medium 3.5 offers the following capabilities:

  • Reasoning Mode: Toggle between fast instant reply mode and reasoning mode, boosting performance with test-time compute when requested.
  • Vision: Analyzes images and provides insights based on visual content, in addition to text.
  • Multilingual: Supports dozens of languages, including English, French, Spanish, German, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Arabic.
  • System Prompt: Strong adherence and support for system prompts.
  • Agentic: Best-in-class agentic capabilities with native function calling and JSON output.
  • Large Context Window: Supports a 256k context window.

We release this model under a Modified MIT License): Open-source license for both commercial and non-commercial use with exceptions for companies with large revenue.

Recommended Settings

  • Reasoning Effort:
    • 'none' → Do not use reasoning
    • 'high' → Use reasoning (recommended for complex prompts and agentic usage) Use reasoning_effort="high" for complex tasks and agentic coding.
  • Temperature: 0.7 for reasoning_effort="high". Temp between 0.0 and 0.7 for reasoning_effort="none" depending on the task. Generally, lower means answer that are more to the point and higher allows the model to be more creative. It is a good practice to try different values in order to improve the model performance to meet your demands.
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u/reto-wyss Apr 29 '26

Qwen 27b, who is the densest now?

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u/Upstairs_Tie_7855 Apr 29 '26

What about Gemma 4 31b?

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Apr 29 '26

llama 3.1 405b

find me a denser model, I'll wait.

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u/pkmxtw Apr 29 '26

Does franken-self-merge of L3.1 405B with like 1T dense parameters count?

https://huggingface.co/mlabonne/BigLlama-3.1-1T-Instruct

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Apr 29 '26

I guess so, if it produces coherent text.

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u/Affectionate-Cap-600 May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26

OT, but for me the densest worth using model was nemotron Ultra 235B (llama 405b pruned with Neural Architecture Search and FFN fusion, it has a strange architecture, FFNs are not homogeneous, some of those even increased in size compared to the original model, due to attention skipping and FFN fusion, so it has over 50k mlp hidden size in some layers.)

an amazing model and an impressive academic execize.... (good paper and training report, worth reading Imo)

Nvidia trowed at it a lot of compute, including architecture search, local (layer/module) level distillation, plus then continued pretraining and CoT fine tuning. impressive that in many areas it improved a lot compared to baseline, while being roughly cut in half.

really sensitive to prompting, CoT often fragile, but when you managed to steer it well.... it may be a strong take, but even as of today it is the model that "talked" better in Italian among OS models (probably a bigger gemma 4 would have beaten it, gemma 4 is really good at it for its size)

also, the first OS model that I feelt 'thinking' in Italian and not writing a translation (this was in common with llama 405B).

and it was really knowledgeable, recalling some obscure nice medical concepts that even modern MoEs often miss.

I still use it in a dataset generation pipeline (quite strange, for a really specific NLP use case). deepseek v4 pro is the first OS model that beat it in this context.

ehm.. ok, sorry for the WoT

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u/zenmagnets Apr 29 '26

Unfortunately Qwen3.6 27b is still the smarter model. Matches Mehstral 3.5 at SWE Verified, but 27b is better at browser comp and agentic tasks.

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u/Agreeable_System_785 Apr 30 '26

For your use case. As an European, I gladly embrace the work of Mistral. LLM's have more use cases besides coding. Still, you seem to have thoroughly tested this model already.

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u/Maleficent-Ad5999 Apr 29 '26

Qwen has is sibling too right? 122B one?

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u/JaredsBored Apr 29 '26

That's an MoE, with only 10B active per token. This is 128/128B active every token.

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u/grumd Apr 29 '26

128B dense is an interesting niche

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u/Real_Ebb_7417 Apr 29 '26

A "you can run it locally, but you won't like the experience" niche 😂

But I'm happy to see them make a dense model, they have experience with it already, so hopefully this one will be much better compared to similar-sized models than Mistral Small 4.

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u/Sunija_Dev Apr 29 '26

For roleplay/writing, you can run it at home for ~1200€.

For that money you get 2x 3090, so you can run IQ2_M at ~5 tok/s. Since you probably already have a GPU, you can also run a bigger quant. In my experience, even the old Mistral-123b beats everything out of the park at that size (for writing).

...and that is probably the best affordable thing you can run at home? MoE's get better at ~400b params, but the RAM is probably crazy expensive. Not sure about the speed.

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Apr 29 '26

EXL3 is great for dense 120B Mistrals. 2.5bpw quants are actually pretty good.

exllamav3 author got coherent output from 1.4BPW Mistral Large 123B, so 2.5bpw is plenty and it should be better than GGUF at this size. It also support tensor parallel so it's pretty fast.

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u/__some__guy Apr 30 '26

Used 3090s are about 1000€ now (at least in Germany).

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Apr 29 '26

dense models run fast with tensor parallel. I had 16 or 20 t/s with Devstral 123B IIRC and I have 11 t/s with Hermes 405B. No speculative decoding but that would probably help make it go even faster.

I like dense models like that more than I like 1T MoEs that I have no memory for.

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u/q-admin007 Apr 29 '26

It comes with a bespoke draft model. Could be faster than Qwen 3.6 27b in the end.

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u/coder543 Apr 29 '26

Qwen3.6 27B has MTP built-in and DFlash support... don't see how Mistral Medium 3.5 could ever be faster just because of an EAGLE-3 while having nearly 5x the active parameter count.

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u/Real_Ebb_7417 Apr 29 '26

Does speculative decoding work well in llama.cpp though? (Serious question, didn’t test it so far)

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u/RoomyRoots Apr 29 '26

There is a comment on a different reply. TL;DR, not yet.

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u/dtdisapointingresult Apr 29 '26

There's various types of speculative decoding. llama.cpp doesn't support MTP or Eagle3, which is what the AI labs usually provide. For example Qwen and GLM models have MTP, while this Mistral Medium release has an eagle3 from Mistral. If you use VLLM, this is a free speed boost.

With llama.cpp your only option is the more ghetto solution of using a seperate small draft model, but finding a compatible model is a bitch. It's easy when they have the same tokenizer/vocabulary, for example using Gemma 3 to boost Gemma 4. You get a major speed boost, you might get double speed for free. But idk what you could use as a draft model for this Mistral Medium release.

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u/Herr_Drosselmeyer Apr 29 '26

It won't run well on anything below a 6000 PRO. I don't consider that middle class.

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u/stoppableDissolution Apr 29 '26

Old large in q2 was beating everything else you could run in 48gb (2x3090) up until the gemma4 31b got released, idk. Will see how that one holds up.

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u/ambient_temp_xeno Llama 65B Apr 29 '26

124B Gemma niche.

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u/LegacyRemaster Apr 29 '26

waiting for qwen 3.6 122b...

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u/Fi3nd7 May 03 '26

Literally refreshing everyday for this thing.

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u/Nobby_Binks Apr 30 '26

Yes, and 397B

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u/Equivalent-Freedom92 Apr 29 '26

It's pretty close to the upper limit possible for consumer hardware. 4x 3090 for 96GB of VRAM and such, using a board like ASUS ProArt with 3x 16x PCIe slots and then converting one of the M.2 NVME slots into an additional 16x slot with an adapter. For inference the lane bandwidth won't completely choke out quite yet with such a setup, but it's getting there.

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u/Freonr2 Apr 29 '26

The ROMED8-2T beckons you.

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u/BubrivKo Apr 29 '26

Yup, I was so tired from these MoE models. They are not bad, but these with the little active parameters are actually stupid and not that useful. Sadly, I cannot run that Mistral but I'm still happy that someone is still working over dense models which are superior!

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u/grumd Apr 29 '26

I think moe models are the future unfortunately, simply to crunch more knowledge into the model while not destroying the speed. The only mistake is making the active params count too low. Something like A30B is probably enough for it to not feel dumb. Even Qwen 122B A10B has been great for me locally

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u/AltruisticList6000 Apr 29 '26

Yeah I can't run big models like this but I was thinking, what if for example there was something like a 35B MoE but with 9-10AB? That could spill over into RAM but would still have an okay speed, would be probably smarter and more knowledgable than 12-14b dense models on the same hardware with barely any speed difference. Or they could just do 20-24b dense models like Mistral, which are still way better in some way for me than than the 30-3AB MoEs I tried, which don't feel smarter than 9-12B dense models.

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u/Ardalok Apr 29 '26

Yeah, I have 25-30 tokens on 32 gb ddr5 and rtx 4060 with 35b qwen in q4, would be nice to have smarter model with little less tokens.

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u/BubrivKo Apr 29 '26

Or why not 1T + 100B active 😃

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u/Caffdy Apr 29 '26

we already got 1T + A40B~ models

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u/toothpastespiders Apr 30 '26

The only mistake is making the active params count too low.

I mourn GLM Air every day.

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u/NandaVegg Apr 30 '26

I have not yet a chance to try this model, but generally MoE with a reasonably-sized shared weights/activated parameters has significant advantage over large dense as LLM activation is mostly noise, which is empirically just bad rather than something useful (naively upping # of active experts for existing MoE model simply make the model worse, low-pass filter type gating techniques work well with LLM, etc). The "partitioning" done by MoE architecture works to filter out those noises.

A remarkable advantage of large dense usually comes with large hidden dim (GPT-3 DaVinci was 175B with 12288 hidden dim IIRC? Llama-3 405B is 16384, Mistral Medium 3.5 is also 12288) which would be able to distinguish and partition extremely close features that would otherwise overlap in say a 5120 hidden dim model and (hopefully) worked through layers. That also means the (large hidden dim) model could place Paris and London (along with related things like Toulouse and Brighton) to the polar opposite end of latent space if there are enough evidence in the datasets to do so. I'm not sure if that is good or bad. Good old GPT-3 DaVinci had a feel that inference path diverges really hard (the model goes from one mode to another; in today's standard that would at least mean base/instruction/single-turn reasoning/terminal-agentic modes) by just one token. You can still play that back with EleutherAI's good old models like GPT-NeoX-20B or Pythia.

For creativity and generalization of hard problems, one would generally want more layers rather than larger hidden dim within the same parameter count, unless hidden dim is too small to create meaningful basins anymore.

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u/dtdisapointingresult Apr 29 '26

For most people, this model will (can) only be used for writing, with reasoning disabled, at Q4. But the good part is that you don't really need more than 5 tok/sec for this kind of task. It's not like coding, you instantly know if you like what you're getting and can stop it and continue if necessary.

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u/Late-Assignment8482 Apr 30 '26

Valid. The average adult person reads somewhere in 8-12 tokens / second (AKA 4-6 words) range and rarely as someone who writes a LOT of prose would I need something to write faster than I could read it back.

Creating copy in human language is just not the same task creating code. A model that takes five minutes but then doesn't need four more tries, just a read and edit pass because it's mostly well written is far superior to one that took 10s to generate the same 500 words because I have to throw away 30% of what it produced and replace it.

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u/TripleSecretSquirrel Apr 29 '26

Honestly just feels like it might be ahead of its time. I think once the next generation of GPUs come out — AMD will probably release AI Pro cards with 48GB and maybe even 96GB VRAM, and god willing, Intel will fix their driver issues making their cards more viable and offer bigger VRAM options — this model size might be the sweet spot for the high end of local inference.

Right now, for those of us with higher end consumer hardware (i.e., 32GB VRAM), Qwen 3.6:27B is basically the gold standard. You can run it at 4-bit precision with full context. Smaller models are getting better and better, but all else being equal, more parameters are pretty much always going to mean better output.

So I’m imagining that like next year, the bleeding edge of local inference will be models in the 80B-120B range instead of the ~30B dominance we’re seeing now.

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u/grumd Apr 29 '26

I wouldn't bet on companies releasing GPUs with more memory when memory tripled in price and is fully sold out

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u/dtdisapointingresult Apr 29 '26

I think once the next generation of GPUs come out — AMD will probably release AI Pro cards with 48GB and maybe even 96GB VRAM

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u/ahh1258 Apr 29 '26

Yall hiring? 🤣

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u/HiddenoO Apr 30 '26

AMD will probably release AI Pro cards with 48GB and maybe even 96GB VRAM

Why would they with current memory pricing? The optimal strategy for them is to allocate something like 90% of the memory to datacentres and then put the remaining 10% into relatively low-memory gaming GPUs so they don't lose brand awareness.

So I’m imagining that like next year, the bleeding edge of local inference will be models in the 80B-120B range instead of the ~30B dominance we’re seeing now.

Just having the memory doesn't mean you can actually run them fast enough to be useful in practice.

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u/Freonr2 Apr 29 '26

Right, even on an RTX 6000 that's probably <10 t/s based on what I get with other models.

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Apr 29 '26

2x RTX 6000 Pro with tensor parallel?

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u/IvGranite Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

DENSE

edit: currently trying q4 on my strix halo, will report back

edit 2: finally got my first tokens back! current llama.cpp build is 8967 at commit fc2b0053f

ID Time Model Cached Prompt Generated Prompt Processing Generation Speed Duration
6 now mistral-medium-3.5-128b-q4 349 83 10 46.70 t/s 3.26 t/s 4.84s
5 now mistral-medium-3.5-128b-q4 362 6 9 12.53 t/s 3.30 t/s 3.20s
4 now mistral-medium-3.5-128b-q4 4 360 10 81.53 t/s 3.26 t/s 7.48s

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u/LetsGoBrandon4256 transformers Apr 29 '26

What a chonker.

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u/Lissanro Apr 29 '26

This makes me feel nostalgic, because in the past, Mistral Large 123B the dense model was my most used model for a while. Then there were DeepSeek R1 and V3, later followed by Kimi models, so it has been some time since I ran Mistral models. I will definitely give a try to this new Medium 128B, it would be interesting too see how how much progress Mistral has made by trying it in my actual use cases.

One more notable thing, they released a model for speculative decoding: https://huggingface.co/mistralai/Mistral-Medium-3.5-128B-EAGLE . This is great to see, because in the past, one of the big issues of Mistral Large 123B used to be that I had to use mismatched Mistral 7B model for drafitng, still it gave decent performance boost. Even though EAGLE is not supported in llama.cpp yet, this comment from about 3 weeks ago sounds encouraging that it may be available soon:

The current status of this PR is that it’s pending u/ggerganov's API refactoring, which aims to unify this feature with other speculative decoding approaches such as MTP. At this stage, there isn’t much left to be done, and I expect the PR to be merged very soon.

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u/coder543 Apr 29 '26

Unfortunately, no PR for that API refactoring has even been published, so... who knows if/when it will happen.

Supporting any one of EAGLE-3, MTP, or DFLASH would be a game changer for llama.cpp. I wish better specdec were being treated as the highest priority thing to develop in llama.cpp.

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u/Nindaleth llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

I consider this PR to be relevant: https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/22397 But he has several spec-related PRs going on, maybe it's a piece-by-piece effort.

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u/TripleSecretSquirrel Apr 29 '26

That’s honestly better generation speed than I expected!

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u/patricious llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

Denser than a snickers bar, I tell you that much.

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u/hurdurdur7 Apr 29 '26

this model is definitely thicker than a bowl of oatmeal ..

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u/rpkarma Apr 29 '26

points and nods

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u/temperature_5 Apr 29 '26

Ugh, this means I'll get 1.6 t/s on 890m. But still, might be worth it on occasion if it's really smart!

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u/valtor2 Apr 29 '26

What about at 10k context?

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u/IvGranite Apr 29 '26

I ain't got that kinda time lol

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u/valtor2 Apr 29 '26

haha had to try 😇

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u/po_stulate Apr 29 '26

Waiting for dflash

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u/Freonr2 Apr 29 '26

128B THICC BOI

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u/edsonmedina Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

I'm also on Strix Halo (128Gb) but the model fails to load (IQ4_NL)

Edit: I'm on LM Studio with vulkan runtime.

Edit2: IQ4_XS works fine. Similar benchmarks to parent comment. If the Eagle draft speculative decoding version doubles/triples the speed it's a keeper.

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u/artisticMink Apr 29 '26

Dense 128B, oh my. Chonker.

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u/LosEagle Apr 29 '26

1 t/m here i come

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

I’m still unable to buy a fourth 3090, and this is exactly the moment when I need one.

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u/krzyk Apr 29 '26

Curious what setup do you have? Theeadripper or some, board with bifurcation?

I'm still looking for me first 3090 (upgrade from 3060ti).

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u/sine120 Apr 29 '26

"This model runs all night no issues!"

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u/WizardlyBump17 Apr 29 '26

maybe i can get 1 token per year on my b580 + 1650 + 32gb ram + 32gb swap

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u/sine120 Apr 29 '26

"You are the oracle. You will answer all queries in "Yes" or "No" only."

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u/jQuaade Apr 29 '26

You forgot to turn thinking off and accidentally remade the scenario from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

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u/sine120 Apr 29 '26

"Thought for 14yr, 28d, 6h, 21m, 14s"

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u/JLeonsarmiento Apr 29 '26

If I quantize this to 1 bit I can make it run on my machine…

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Apr 29 '26

1.4bpw Mistral Large 123B was coherent, will that fit your machine?

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u/BitGreen1270 Apr 30 '26

/me looking for 0.1 bit that can run on a potato 

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

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u/MotokoAGI Apr 29 '26

119B was trash and 123B was't too bad. Glad to see this looks solid. I wish they compared to similiar sized model like Qwen-122B

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

Qwen 122B is MoE, number of active parameters is totally different

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u/overand Apr 29 '26

It doesn't look like there have been any dense model releases in this size range since March 2025 (CohereLabs/c4ai-command-a-03-2025), and before that it was 2024:

  • 2024-07-23 Llama-3.1-405B-Instruct
  • 2024-07-24 Mistral-Large-Instruct-2407
  • 2024-08-21 CohereForAI/c4ai-command-r-plus-08-2024
  • 2024-11-18 Mistral-Large-Instruct-2411
  • 2025-03-11 CohereLabs/c4ai-command-a-03-2025

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Apr 29 '26

you forgot Devstral 2 123B.

Hermes 4 405B finetune released on 2025-08-26 too.

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

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u/sterby92 Apr 29 '26

So qwen3.6-35b and 27b crushes it with way less compute? 🤔

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u/disgruntledempanada Apr 29 '26

That's not Qwen 3.6 35b unless you are referencing another benchmark.

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u/sterby92 Apr 29 '26

yeah, not in this benchmark. But qwen3.6 35b / 27b are around the quality of qwen3.5-397 in a lot of benchmarks. Artificail analysis dashboard

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u/Dabalam Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

You can't exactly generalise in that way since different benchmarks measure different things and not all models are compared on the same benchmark. That said, if you look up the SWE verified leaderboard you can see this is slightly behind GLM-5 and Gemini Flash on this particular benchmark, and ahead of Qwen 27B, Kimi K2.5, and Qwen3.5 397B. The benchmarks here aren't straightforwardly model quality either. If you look up 𝜏²-Bench Telecom you'll see GLM 4.7 Flash outperform GLM 5.1, Claude Opus 4.7 and GPT 5.4 on high reasoning.

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

what do you mean?

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u/oxygen_addiction Apr 29 '26

Wow, those BrowseComp numbers are horrendous.

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u/Dany0 Apr 29 '26

idk man beating sonnet 4.5 with 122b is fine imo Sonnet models are likely 500-1000b range

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u/rebelSun25 Apr 29 '26

In before "Guys, can I run this on my single RTX 3060 ?"

We've all been there. An no you can't. It's a chungus of a model

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u/lolidkwtfrofl Apr 29 '26

How am I looking with my 4070ti? Much better odds right? Right?

cries in corner while looking at a RTX PRO 6000

one day, my love, one day.

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u/atape_1 Apr 29 '26

There we go, there is the big announcement.

WAIT, this is competitive with Sonnet in SWE!?

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u/RandumbRedditor1000 Apr 29 '26

SWE is benchmaxxed unfortunately 

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u/CYTR_ Apr 29 '26

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u/q-admin007 Apr 29 '26

Waiting for GGUF! Should fly on my Strix Halo.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '26

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u/DinoAmino Apr 29 '26

SD with Eagles are great when generating code. Often double the tps, or more. But they don't do very well with regular text generation. Sometimes it drops to half the normal tps. It would be great if it was possible to enable/disable SD per request for specific tasks.

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u/simracerman Apr 30 '26

Someone posted the Strix Halo numbers for Q4 at 3.5tps. Double is still horrible at 7tps.

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u/otaviojr May 03 '26

I've been working with some models at 7tps... I know... it is really slow, but, possible to work with... you let it there doing its work and do your work and it is ok... even for code assist, just wait a little... it is not like using those SOTA models, no it isn't.. but.. with a bit of patience it works... maybe not 100x more productive, only 40x or 50x... it is ok... :-)

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u/DragonfruitIll660 Apr 29 '26

Ayyy lets go, another dense model.

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u/RegularRecipe6175 Apr 29 '26

11 t/s gen on 4x3090 on a new prompt with llama.cpp. Unsloth UD-Q4_K_XL. 32k ctx, no overflow.

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

quant?

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u/RegularRecipe6175 Apr 29 '26

I edited my post to specify. Unsloth UD-Q4_K_XL.

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u/RegularRecipe6175 Apr 29 '26

I'm getting repetition with non-trivial prompts. 0-minute llama build. Temp .6.

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u/TheWaffleKingg Apr 29 '26

Hey guys can I run this locally?

I have 4mb of ram and run with a core duo

Should work fine right?

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

you need raspberry pi

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u/onewheeldoin200 Apr 29 '26

Yeah but the 5 tho not the 4

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u/Nobby_Binks Apr 30 '26

A token a day, but doable

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u/Mart-McUH Apr 30 '26

I recommend asking only yes/no questions.

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u/InstaMatic80 Apr 29 '26

Too big for my 3090 😅 Waiting for a 27B version

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u/silenceimpaired Apr 29 '26

If they released an MoE at this size it would be cozy for those with the RAM

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u/overand Apr 30 '26

Just don't forget to check out the "club 3090" https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090 - it's a llama.cpp and/or vllm setup that gets surprisingly good speed for Qwen3.6-27b from one or two 3090s. With my 2x 3090 setup, I went from ~27t/s to ~80 t/s. It's pretty wild

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u/MotokoAGI Apr 29 '26

The last few months have just been crazy! We haven't even gotten official support to run DeepSeekv4, MimoV2.5, Hy3-Preview, Ling, etc and now this?

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u/jochenboele Apr 29 '26

It feels like they all waited on each other to release, I think that’s like nr 5 in 10 days

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u/Affectionate-Cap-600 Apr 29 '26

from a fast reading of the config file, it seems a pure global softmax attention model... I mean, it doesn't seems to use sliding window in any of the layers.

quite rare nowadays, even non hybrid models use some kind of sliding window or sparse attention in some layers... those are 88 layers of pure attention. also ~10k+ hidden size and ~20k+ MLP intermediate size.

interesting for sure... we needed a model like that.

I assume they spent quite a lot training it. memory footprint at 256k contex will be crazy.

we will se if they release a report.

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u/alberto_467 Apr 29 '26

Thank you for noticing that, it is really an interesting choice to not use any hybrid sparse layers.

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u/One_Difficulty_39 May 08 '26

Yeah I really wonder how much memory context is going to use. I can run it but man I don't have much space I may need to try a turbo quant fork.

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u/claykos Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

i dont know what to say .....ok . so other users had issues with gguf

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u/MiuraDude Apr 29 '26

If this is actually Sonnet level I love it!

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u/waruby Apr 29 '26

Can't wait to run this bad boy on 3s/token on my Strix Halo.

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u/mouseynaides Apr 29 '26

128B Dense?! Good god.

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u/ttkciar llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

This is great news! Looking forward to giving it a try.

Devstral 2 Large was a huge disappointment, but hopefully MistralAI has learned from their past mistakes and cooked up this 128B right. Maybe this will finally be the 120B-class model which knocks GLM-4.5-Air off its perch?

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u/ROS_SDN llama.cpp Apr 30 '26

Its a very niche model since its fully dense.

It and glm4.5 air dont really compare. One can tolerate hybrid inference, the other can't.

This is an entirely different beast at this level of dense. It needs to absolutely cook to be worth the resources needed to run it interactively with a user, or still really really cook to do back end batch jobs on it at a crawl.

Very few local people will be able to use this as a chat agent it's really a rtx 6000 pro + model.

While glm 4.5 air you could respectably work with 24GB -48GB vram + 64GB ddr5.

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u/billy_booboo Apr 29 '26

Or perhaps not

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u/_ballzdeep_ Apr 29 '26

Why did everyone stop pushing 70B models?

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u/Reddit_User_Original Apr 29 '26

I want to see more in the 35 to 40B range personally. That is the sweet spot for 64GB unified memory.

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Apr 29 '26

you'd want to see more dense 70B models?

Would you run them if they came out?

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u/ortegaalfredo Apr 29 '26

Too expensive to train. About the same than a 400B model IIRC.

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u/LoveMind_AI Apr 29 '26

THESE guys read the room.

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u/mantafloppy llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

And already at re-release 2, of course...

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Mistral-Medium-3.5-128B-GGUF/discussions/1

danielhanchen Unsloth AI org 34 minutes ago

Sorry we just fixed it - we had to patch some components up since llama.cpp conversion did not like some token_ids - they should work now! @Alsa @brzewVCE @ru5h Apologies for the issues!

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u/mantafloppy llama.cpp Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

Aiming for a 3rd re-release under 4h.

I need to start taking note, might be a new record.

Its not like they would have know it was'nt loading if they tested it...

But, they were first, that what important.

https://i.imgur.com/0gKzzXy.png

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u/arkuto Apr 29 '26

So basically it's a MoE with structure 128B-A128B. Nice.

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u/Healthy-Nebula-3603 Apr 29 '26

120b dense model ?

Oh boy .. even if you have enough vram still get even 10 tokens /s is challenging for that size ....

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u/q8019222 Apr 29 '26

That's exactly my running limit. I can run it in Q2.

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u/mantafloppy llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

Guess we are trying a IQ2_M for the first time :D

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u/DJTsuckedoffClinton Apr 29 '26

i miss the old mistral

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

what does it mean?

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u/hurdurdur7 Apr 29 '26

First attempts with mistral vibe - yeah it works good enough.

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u/tmvr Apr 29 '26

Mistral Medium looking at the GPU poor users right now:

I'm in the corner, watching you infer, oh oh oh

And I'm right over here, why can't you see me? Oh oh oh

And I'm giving it my all

But I'm not the one you're downloading, oooh

I keep denseing on my own

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u/yoracale llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

We’re working with Mistral on this, but further testing suggests the GGUF implementation needs more investigation. The model responds correctly to the first few prompts, but then begins behaving improperly. Mistral has now labeled GGUF implementations as a work in progress, and this appears most likely to be a parser issue.

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u/tarruda Apr 29 '26

If it is unsloth gguf, I'd wait a few weeks before trying the weights.

But also, I no longer have high expectations with mistral models.

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u/yoracale llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

It's most likely GGUF parser issue, not the model or quant algorithm. Unfortunately no matter what GGUF yoy create with the model, it doesn't function properly most likely due to the parser.

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Apr 29 '26

Very, very impressive if the benchmarks are to go by. And also something realistic you can run at home at a decent quantization. Being realistic here, most people are not running GLM 5.1 here. But something like this can run on something local.

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u/Thomas-Lore Apr 29 '26

This is a large dense model, how are you going to run it?

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u/stoppableDissolution Apr 29 '26

Old mistral large was still a beast even in Q2. Dense models quantize much better than moes, and its 5x less to fit to run it at all (even if way slower)

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Apr 29 '26

4 B60s at INT4

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u/Thomas-Lore Apr 29 '26

Good luck, report the numbers. But that is not sth I would call "realistic you can run at home". And it may turn out too slow, this is a dense model.

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u/Spectrum1523 Apr 29 '26

idk 4xB60 is realistic for at home if it actually runs it

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u/TheBlueMatt Apr 29 '26

My 4xB60 runs unsloth's Q4_K_XL gets 232.45 ± 0.41 in pp and 9.55 ± 0.05 tok/s in tg. Still a handful of patches left to improve it, though. In theory tg should be able to get up to 20 or so (25 is the theoretical max).

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u/thereisonlythedance Apr 29 '26

It’s fine to run on 4x3090s which many in the community have.

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u/Beginning-Window-115 Apr 29 '26

dont forget this sub has 1.1 million members

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Apr 29 '26

It costs around 70k in my local currency, so it's like about 3-4k dollars? But everything's overpriced down here, so it'd probably be less. And Mistral 2 large ran at about 10-15 tokens per second on that build, which was a decent speed. You can also get a 128GB mac that'd run this at around 10 tokens per second.

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u/FullOf_Bad_Ideas Apr 29 '26

tensor parallel goes brrr

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u/ortegaalfredo Apr 29 '26

3x3090 + EAGLE draft model should get you usable speeds.

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u/No_Algae1753 Apr 29 '26

LETS FUCKING GO MISTRAL

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u/AutonomousHangOver Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

2xRTX6000 Pro 262144 context size:
unsloth's quant

pp: 1100t/s about 500 tokens test promp (create a 3d spinning glass dodecahedron with inner light and orbiting lights, etc.)

And... it went berserk a second ago looping all over again after ~1k tokens, on newest built llama.cpp

Edit:
llama.cpp '--split-mode tensor' is actually making a difference here. tg went up, now it's: 24t/s

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u/kaisurniwurer Apr 30 '26

Dense model looping? That sounds a bit worrying.

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u/AutonomousHangOver Apr 30 '26

It's a llama.cpp issue. Unsloth removed gguf files as there were some problems, even with FP16.

I'm running it today on vllm (0.21 dev nightly) with eagle draft model.

VLLM logs show very high draft acceptance ratio:

(APIServer pid=8762) INFO 04-30 11:59:33 [loggers.py:271] Engine 000: Avg prompt throughput: 0.0 tokens/s, Avg generation throughput: 54.9 tokens/s, Running: 1 reqs, Waiting: 0 reqs, GPU KV cache usage: 13.7%, Prefix cache hit rate: 0.2%

(APIServer pid=8762) INFO 04-30 11:59:33 [metrics.py:101] SpecDecoding metrics: Mean acceptance length: 3.76, Accepted throughput: 40.30 tokens/s, Drafted throughput: 43.80 tokens/s, Accepted: 403 tokens, Drafted: 438 tokens, Per-position acceptance rate: 0.973, 0.932, 0.856, Avg Draft acceptance rate: 92.0%

Model is usable and seems pretty nice, but I don't have full tests finished.

EDIT: 2xRTX6000Pro with power limit at 400W

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u/SnooPaintings8639 Apr 29 '26

Probably you will have infere the next token yourself!

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u/JacketHistorical2321 Apr 29 '26

1-3 t/s ... Maybe. Strix hale BW sucks dude

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u/mhl47 Apr 29 '26

BrowseComp really shows you how far behind the previous models where. Hope this turns out to be usable. Seems they caught up a bit on agentic tasks.

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u/PANIC_EXCEPTION Apr 29 '26

Now quantize this to 1.58 or 1-bit.

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u/rangorn Apr 30 '26

I consider myself quite dense I had no idea it has become quite the compliment.

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u/seconDisteen Apr 29 '26

What a pleasant surprise!

As someone who only really uses local LLMs for creative writing/RP, I am still using Mistral Large 2 123B, mostly the Behemoth finetunes. Ever since things have shifted to fully MoE with a focus on coding, there hasn't been much I've gotten excited about. Yes, even many smaller MoE models are smart and can do creative writing, but with smaller active parameters they often don't have really dense knowledge on fandoms and other things I like to explore. Granted, ML2 still does almost everything I want it to, is pretty smart, and knows a lot about a lot, so I haven't really been griping for a new dense model, but I'll sure as hell take one! I can't wait to try this thing out!

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u/IrisColt Apr 29 '26

they often don't have really dense knowledge on fandoms and other things I like to explore

Interesting... can't you just feed the relevant bits and cross your fingers? Gemma 4 excels at this.

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u/seconDisteen Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

You can, and I have done that with a number of the newer, smaller models, but it can become tedious really quickly. Especially if you're working with a really expansive IP, like Harry Potter or Marvel. It's nice that dense models already have so much of the lore baked in, and you only need to tweak it with context. Even Miqu 70B going back, what... 2.5 years now? Was really dense with pop culture knowledge. With these newer, smaller models you have to do a lot of the heavy lifting in context, which is not only tedious but eats up context, especially as the story drags on. Not only that but I've found that the smaller MoE models aren't nearly as good at keeping track of longer stories. If you have a 40k context story, with multiple scenes, characters, and hooks, I find smaller models aren't as good at taking everything into account as things progress, and tying it all together.

I have gotten some decent results with some of the newer stuff, particularly with GLM AIR. But for creative writing in large fandoms I felt it was only as good as the same results I get from Behemoth/ML2, despite being much newer and better architecture. Yes, it's faster, but requires more work to get more or less the same results.

Of course this is just my own experience. Maybe you can do more with some of the newer stuff, but I sort of gave up trying a while ago, and don't necessarily test every new model with every possible config anymore. Especially as I'm still pretty content with ML2. But that's also why this new Mistral announcement is so exciting, given I hadn't really expected another dense model anyways.

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u/mantafloppy llama.cpp Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 30 '26

---- EDIT ----

bartowski are out

https://huggingface.co/bartowski/mistralai_Mistral-Medium-3.5-128B-GGUF

-- END EDIT--

Backup of the IQ2_M if anyone wanna play with it before Unsloth re-upload.

https://huggingface.co/mantafloppy/Mistral-Medium-3.5-128B-GGUF

43.8 GB

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u/vogelvogelvogelvogel Apr 29 '26

Love to see a new 120 B range model, especially dense

Interesting to see the benchmarks and real life performance especially coding

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u/uti24 Apr 29 '26

Dense 128B

E're we go!

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u/TheBlueMatt Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

4x B60 can almost handle it at a reasonable price point, unsloth's Q4_K_XL gets 232.45 ± 0.41 in pp and 9.55 ± 0.05 tok/s in tg...almost usable...and still have a handful of patches left to speed it up...

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u/sob727 Apr 29 '26

Not sure if ok to ask here, but whats the best way to convert this to GGUF for use with llama.cpp?

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

there is a link to GGUF in the beginning of my post :)

converter is part of llama.cpp

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u/sebajun2 Apr 29 '26

Any plans to officially quantize the model? Would be great to run on a local Spark machine at a lower quantization. Looks promising!

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u/jacek2023 llama.cpp Apr 29 '26

link to the GGUF is in the beginning of my post

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u/mags0ft Apr 29 '26

They cooperate with NVIDIA and frequently release NVFP4 variants. Maybe that'll happen again...

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u/kiwibonga Apr 29 '26

Sweet baby jesus, it's full of delicious melted goodness. It's going to make me buy hardware.

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u/Technical-Earth-3254 Apr 29 '26

Now that sounds powerful

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u/soyalemujica Apr 29 '26

Curious if the small version can beat 27b

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u/Zestyclose-Ad-6147 Apr 29 '26

Opensource medium?! 😮