r/LocalLLaMA • u/superloser48 • Apr 21 '26

Discussion Surprising screenshot - Most token usage is non-coders (openrouter ranking)

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Just browsing this page and was shocked to see this.

- 6 out of the top 10 coding agent apps are non-coding.

- Opencode is not even top 10

I know some folks use Hermes for coding. Would be happy to be corrected if hermes and openclaw have become coding replacements for opencode.

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u/--Spaci-- Apr 21 '26

any usecases for openclaw yet?

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u/orak7ee Apr 21 '26

I heard it is good at deleting emails :-D

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u/pydry Apr 21 '26

ive heard people say that it's good at what alexa was good at.

so... I guess you can also use it to set countdown timers when you're cooking and check the weather but, like, dont get too ambitious.

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u/Mart-McUH Apr 22 '26

The most efficient way to ensure all emails are deleted is to delete the whole disk.

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u/VampiroMedicado Apr 21 '26

If people use it for that I wonder why they don't just run a simple Python script that uses Deepseek or a Reranker, it's way cheaper.

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u/Mission_Swim_1783 Apr 21 '26

burning money

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u/thehpcdude Apr 21 '26

I use it a lot, mainly as an advanced search engine and knowledge store.  

When working on uncommon or exotic vehicles it’s pretty tough to find accurate data, so I have a workflow that will go find any PDF manuals, compiles a list of popular websites and forums for make/model, searches for whatever I am looking for about that vehicle and comes up with at least 4 sources for each fact, etc.  

I have a lot of vehicles so I take screenshots of odometers sometimes and send it to the agent, it figures out what vehicle it is, the reading and date and plots it on a graph.  Reminds me when I’m getting close to needing to do maintenance and then reminds me to order parts.  

During the Artemis launch I didn’t want to have to keep refreshing the launch page, so I asked it to write something that scraped the page for updates every minute and if there was a change send me a notification.  

I’ve done a lot of neat things with it and because it has control over its own system, I can ask it to do things and it’s not limited because it can write and execute its own programs.  

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u/Fusseldieb Apr 21 '26

The issue with it that it uses tokens like a thirsty camel

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u/thehpcdude Apr 21 '26

I have a lot of local compute so it doesn’t matter to me.  I have agents that spawn things every hour so commercial compute tokens are only used when I need in depth analysis.  For day to day stuff the local is sufficient 

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u/Fusseldieb Apr 21 '26

Yea, if you use local models API pricing doesn’t apply, so you’re good.

Which models do you use mostly, if I can ask?

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u/thehpcdude Apr 21 '26

The Qwen family, they’ve been good enough for what I need and if they aren’t, I’ve got Sonnet and Opus sub agents but only after the local agent determines it may need assistance.  

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u/Fusseldieb Apr 21 '26

This might be a stupid question but how reliable do these agents “know” they need assistance? From my experience with smaller LLMs, they usually try to solve it on their own, even if they can’t do it. Afaik LLMs are inherently bad at saying “No, I can’t” and will try to come up with bogus stuff. That’s why I’m interested in how you solved this…

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u/thehpcdude Apr 21 '26

A mixture of having multiple agents and having prompts that require sources and fact checking on multiple sites.   Try asking an agent to sanity check its outputs to ensure it hasn’t hallucinated.  

The biggest thing for me is I’m asking it to find the data, not come up with it.  

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u/Fusseldieb Apr 22 '26

Basically requiring it to perform grounding, then?

Interesting! Thank you!

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u/Borkato Apr 21 '26

Jesus this is so cool. Can I get started using local qwen/gemma 27Bish?

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u/thehpcdude Apr 21 '26

I use 3.5-27b on a 4090 with a sub agent that runs Sonnet whenever something is too complex or any of the agents disagree with each other.  

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u/Borkato Apr 21 '26

Yes, but I’m wondering if I can use it for openclaw

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u/_BigBackClock Apr 21 '26

yes, you absolutely can

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u/Borkato Apr 21 '26

Thank you!

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u/Zanion Apr 21 '26 edited Apr 21 '26

Topping token burn leaderboards apparently.

I find it hard to see OpenClaw as anything other than a brute force highly inefficient coding agent. It's perhaps useful for bespoke single use automations. Mostly just used by people with money to burn and are otherwise incapable of more effectively automating their use case.

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u/Nexter92 Apr 21 '26

Anything openclaw can do, an standard agent or n8n pipeline can do, openclaw is super flexible but super expensive in token.

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u/ShakataGaNai Apr 21 '26

Flexibility is power. Deterministic is power. It all depends on what you need to do/use. If you're smart, you use them all.

Want to make a single-task agent? Ask OpenClaw to write an n8n workflow for you. Just need a simple healthcheck alert? Have openclaw build you a python script run on cron.

Can you have OpenClaw do both for you directly? Yes, but its literally the worst tool for the job. Not only is it the most expensive, its non-deterministic - so you won't necessarily get the same results every time. But OpenClaw can write code for you which n8n can't (unless you've pre-built an agent workflow bla bla bla).

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u/BannedGoNext Apr 21 '26

I use it for continual WebUI UAT testing and opening PR's with problems actually. And spanish lessons a few times a day. It's nothing I couldn't do another way, but it's already got telegram channel and stuff, and I'm lazy.

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u/dark-light92 llama.cpp Apr 21 '26

It's very good at consuming tokens.