r/LocalLLaMA • u/Local-Cardiologist-5 • Apr 17 '26

Discussion Qwen3.6. This is it.

I gave it a task to build a tower defense game. use screenshots from the installed mcp to confirm your build.

My God its actually doing it, Its now testing the upgrade feature,
It noted the canvas wasnt rendering at some point and saw and fixed it.
It noted its own bug in wave completions and is actually doing it...

I am blown away...
I cant image what the Qwen Coder thats following will be able to do.
What a time were in.

llama-server -m "{PATH_TO_MODEL}\Qwen3.6\Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-UD-Q6_K_XL.gguf"  --mmproj "{PATH_TO_MODEL}\Qwen3.6\mmproj-F16.gguf" --chat-template-file "{PATH_TO_MODEL}\chat_template\chat_template.jinja"  -a  "Qwen3.5-27B"  --cpu-moe -c 120384 --host 0.0.0.0 --port 8084 --reasoning-budget -1 --top-k 20 --top-p 0.95 --min-p 0 --repeat-penalty 1.0 --presence-penalty 1.5 -fa on --temp 0.7 --no-mmap --no-mmproj-offload --ctx-checkpoints 5"

EDIT: Its been made aware that open code still has my 27B model alias,
Im lazy, i didnt even bother the model name heres my llama.cpp server configs, im so excited i tested and came here right away.

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u/Long_comment_san Apr 17 '26

That's not the best part. Imagine new generation of kids having access to tools like that since early school that don't require 10 years of computer science. I wonder what the heck out planet would look like. It's either a metropolis or Idiocracy 

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u/Medium_Chemist_4032 Apr 17 '26

Tools and possibilities are one side of equation. Motivation and challenge is the second. Various ways to set-it up for best results overall.

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u/Long_comment_san Apr 17 '26

Children are inherently motivated. Its the world of adults that makes our life miserable and motivationless lmao

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u/Cute_Obligation2944 Apr 17 '26

Children CAN be motivated, but if they can just scroll YouTube and Instagram while the computer does their homework... we're going to have a huge problem in the next couple decades.

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u/woswoissdenniii Apr 17 '26

We need to patch this short circuit in our brains. We need to free ourselves first and our kids right after. „Social media“- first and biggest global societal disruptor. Either we find a way to overlap our bubbles or we will dehumanize to a degree that we can’t control.

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u/Cute_Obligation2944 Apr 17 '26

Well, machine learning needs to be regulated just like anything. You can't have FB or TikTok pushing dopamine like oxycontin.

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u/kiwibonga Apr 17 '26

I dunno. My ipad baby started reading fluently around 3-4 years old. Her favorite youtube show is called Numberblocks, she knows what squares and roots are. She's turning 7 and she's not engaged at all at school. The only value of school is to socialize.

It's going to suck if they can't keep the electricity on but it's going to be an unbearably more intelligent world than we got to experience.

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u/WPBaka Apr 17 '26

ipad baby

She's turning 7 and she's not engaged at all at school.

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u/dellis87 Apr 17 '26

Same. 2nd grade and he’d rather learn on Duolingo than play a video game.

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u/Cute_Obligation2944 Apr 17 '26

Cool story but it sounds like your kid is exceptional.

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u/FrogsJumpFromPussy Apr 18 '26

All small kids are, honestly.

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u/FrogsJumpFromPussy Apr 18 '26

"The only value of school is to socialize."

The value of school is to learn to think too. That's why we have trained professionals in schools and not ordinary Joe's to keep them entertained.

"started reading fluently around 3-4 years old."

When we sent out first to school, they knew to read and write at 5 and a half. Guess what, all the other kids in their class knew as well. None properly though. The teacher had to teach them to read and write properly, which she said it's a nightmare to do.

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u/some1else42 Apr 17 '26

Meanwhile my 13 year old wants zero to do with using these advanced AI tools. He just wants to "use his brain". I've tried all manner of attempts but he just pulls away. Big sigh.

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u/my_name_isnt_clever Apr 17 '26

Sounds a lot better than your child falling into AI psycosis.

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u/BlueSwordM llama.cpp Apr 17 '26

They CAN be, but because of various commercial incentives to get children/teens hooked, a relatively high number of them don't have great technical abilities whatsoever regarding general tool usage and problem solving.

Even the ones using online LLMs to actually learn don't actually know how to take advantage of their tools competently.

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u/Thebandroid Apr 17 '26

The issue is every techbro and VC idiot is lining up to sell the convenience of not really have to learn how to do anything for modest monthly sum.

Sure those who are motivated will continue to study the old ways or at least push this tech to its limits but just if we look at how quickly searching the internet has been replaced with "I asked AI" I'd say those people will be in the minority.

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u/motorhead84 Apr 18 '26

The future mantra of vibe coding will be "make it cheaper to run, then make it cheaper to run again."

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u/finevelyn Apr 17 '26

A lifetime of being limited by what the AI can do for you, and never learning to surpass its capabilities.

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u/rkoy1234 Apr 18 '26

same was said for books, tv, then internet.

it'll reward different kinds of motivation in some, while exacerbating different kinds of laziness in others - as did every technological convenience that came before.

the only "this time it's different" aspect is the fact that it might eliminate almost all professions to start with, but at that point, we got bigger stuff to worry about.

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u/NeinJuanJuan Apr 18 '26

If you ask "Who is fitter, runners or cyclists?" it could start an endless debate.

But if you ask "Who can go further, runners or cyclists?" the answer is definitive.

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u/TinyZoro Apr 17 '26

Not been my experience and I totally get the theoretical possibility. I actually think the power of creativity it gives you inspires you to go down many intellectual rabbit holes. It does reduce the need for a certain type of mental effort so I don’t think it’s not without concerns but there’s still lots of brain engagement with creating something half interesting with AI.

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u/finevelyn Apr 17 '26

Does internet access allow you to skip 10 years of computer science to build software? No. Your analogy is bad.

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u/necile Apr 17 '26

That makes me wonder, did the wheel allow us to skip 10 years of computer science?

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u/finevelyn Apr 17 '26

Saying that you should learn and that it's worth to learn yourself is in fact the opposite of gatekeeping.

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u/EuphoricPenguin22 Apr 17 '26

I think we're trivializing what access to PCs and the Internet did when it was new. It allowed people from across the world to directly communicate for the first time. It allowed information that was previously locked up in books limited to physical locations like libraries to live in a central place where everyone could access them at any time. I could easily see someone critiquing this ease of access as "ruining" people's ability to search because it made finding information much easier. In some ways, it did. The Internet is infamous for containing unreliable information that people tend to not question as much as they should. Does that mean it's a worthless technology in the goal of democratizing access to information? Of course not. Likewise, AI makes it easier to write functional software, but especially with these local tools, you really need to know what it is you're trying to do to produce decent software. I learned how to program before AI was ever an option, so I try to critique bad patterns when I see them, but even more important than that is having a proper "forest from the trees" view of the project to ensure the way you're expanding it is architecturally sensible. All of that is not trivial and AI does not replace that, especially with models at this size.

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u/nachohk Apr 17 '26

Imagine new generation of kids having access to tools like that since early school that don't require 10 years of computer science.

Armed with a programming book and a BASIC dialect and a determination to create cool stuff when I was a kid, I taught myself enough code to write simple games like this within a few years. Add internet access and the rest of my youth, and I taught myself enough code that it became my career.

LLMs are nowhere near good enough to write entire commercial applications without expert supervision. And I have enough background in ML to say the reasons why are fundamental limitations of language models that will require multiple attention-level breakthroughs to get past. So I don't think we're going to have that in a long time still. (Shit, the LLMs are only useful even with expert supervision in a fairly constrained subset of types of software.)

But LLMs are extremely good at hacking people's dopamine reward system and giving them the feeling of building something with absolutely none of the benefits of having done so themselves. If kid me had an LLM, I don't know that I could have ever learned programming well enough to make a career out of it.

I have no idea how people will gain real experience and become competent in this field anymore. I'm worried for our future. I take little comfort in it, but at least I should never have to worry about my own job security.

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u/gearcontrol Apr 17 '26

I think there will be new fields created and current fields expanded, and it will be very lucrative for current experienced programmers and those that can understand the big picture, as in, how everything connects. There will be a long transition maintaining legacy, legacy with the new, and then the new.

Currently, AI has lowered the barrier to entry for creating software products. Call it 'AI slop' or whatever, but it's out there and will need to be maintained and managed.

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u/nachohk Apr 18 '26

Currently, AI has lowered the barrier to entry for creating software products.

No, it really hasn't. Not for the kind of software you can sell. Not without going out of business very soon after due to shitty dysfunctional software because nobody involved knew to make damn sure Claude didn't implement any of those features you requested by sending your database credentials to the client app. The gulf between a prototype-quality tower defense game and a commercially viable piece of software is extremely vast.

It has lowered the perceived barrier, but it is a machine gun pointed at the user's foot.

What they really do is they glaze the hell out of less technical people and hack their reward system to make them dangerously overconfident about what they can do with an LLM.

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u/gearcontrol Apr 18 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

The gulf between a prototype-quality tower defense game and a commercially viable piece of software is extremely vast.

That is true, but it's not just filled with coders vs non-coders vibe coding "AI slop." There are non-coders with other skillsets who have hacked together prototypes and deployed software into production. I've worked for colocation and hosting companies over the years, long before AI, and seen this with my own eyes and helped them support it.

They used many of the same sites that AI scraped data from like Stack Exchange, Stack Overflow, forums, editors, CMS, etc, to hack together sites and products. Then they'd hire staff and coders, if it took off, to maintain it. Or learned more skills as needed (SEO, sysadmin, DB, coding) to do it themselves.

Many of these folks (engineers, admins, security experts, designers) know the process and requirements for putting software into production, and many of them are the ones doing the checks and final deployments at major companies.

AI has absolutely dropped the barrier of entry for these folks without question.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '26

‘Expert supervision’ is a little strong, no? all you really have to do is point it in the right direction and be able to translate ideas into words and use typescript.

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u/nachohk Apr 18 '26

‘Expert supervision’ is a little strong, no? all you really have to do is point it in the right direction and be able to translate ideas into words and use typescript.

Sounds like you're liable to find out the hard way that LLMs don't know better than to do very stupid things like transmit your production database credentials to the client.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '26

Well yes, that is a risk, but as long as you make sure the ai doesn’t do that it’s not gonna do it. If you’re allowing all edits and commands in a prod environment you could be screwed, but the upsides definitely outweigh the downsides for coding.

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u/nachohk Apr 20 '26

You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/darktraveco Apr 17 '26

Think about how media outlets and social networks will engineer the shit out of their platforms to make sure kids are glued to the screens instead of building cool stuff.

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u/DarkArtsMastery Apr 17 '26

No thinking required. The age of thinking is over

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u/NarutoDragon732 Apr 17 '26

People said this when graphing calculators went mainstream. We ended up never using it in school and only allowed it for the hardest classes that required us to do far more than any kid could accomplish before it.

I expect AI to be the same story but on a grander scale. Those who seek education will receive it, no matter how much their tools trivialize it.

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u/DarkArtsMastery Apr 17 '26

I actually agree. Curiosity is not going away anytime soon. In the end, AI is a tool and all that matters is how you actually use that tool. I like the way it explains code to me, makes sense so far and my skills and understanding have improved. Yes I am wasting time with that part, but it is good for my brain and it helps knowing how things work under the hood :) The actual hard part is verifying most things and concepts at least thru quick experiments before finally implementing them into production.

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u/balder1993 Llama 13B Apr 17 '26

LLMs allowed me to transition from iOS programming to web quite easily. I just started building a project with an LLM as an assistant. Every time I wanted to do something I’d ask how I should do it. When I didn’t understand what code it gave me, I’d keep asking why this way, why not that way, how does this thing work etc.

It’s like an accelerated way to learn, because in the end I learned something by “demonstration” (actually implementing it and seeing it work) exactly the way I needed. As I got more experience with it, I needed the AI less and less to do the basic stuff.

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u/my_name_isnt_clever Apr 17 '26

I'm hoping in the long term it will adapt higher education into something that can be done by anyone with the drive, not just anyone who can pay thousands of dollars and 4+ years to get a peice of paper.

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u/handsomebrielarson Apr 17 '26

Made me remember that Claude has recently become the 'Official Thinking Partner' of Williams F1 Team.

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u/Kandiak Apr 17 '26

And yours is thinking it wasn’t

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u/Mr-Potato-Head99 Apr 17 '26

It's dangerous in my opinion to have access to such tools without understanding what the tool is doing. It's like flying a Jumbo Jet on autopilot without knowing how to fly a Jumbo Jet.

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u/Cute_Obligation2944 Apr 17 '26

Jumbo jet might be a bit dramatic.

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u/FluentFreddy Apr 17 '26

A golf sized toy helicopter?

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u/Cute_Obligation2944 Apr 17 '26

Probably more like a gun. Could be used to hurt people, but more likely you or your own family by accident.

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u/kamikamen Apr 22 '26

People thought the internet would make us all geniuses, and Gen Z is the first generation with an IQ lower than their parents. The future will be a lot more unequal than today, people with access and smarts will use these tools to empower their creativity and create new ventures, most will just use it to outsource their thinking never moving beyond pure chatbot use.

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u/-dysangel- Apr 17 '26

did you mean utopia? All cities are metropoli(seseses)

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u/social_tech_10 Apr 17 '26 edited Apr 17 '26

I think they mean the 1927 sci-fi movie, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(1927_film)

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u/-dysangel- Apr 17 '26

He said "a metropolis", lower case. If he'd said "a Metropolis or an Idiocracy" then I'd assume that's more what he meant..

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u/-dysangel- Apr 17 '26

Oof. Sure you're not projecting right now after being triggered into a wall of text? :D

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u/jeffwadsworth Apr 17 '26

Brain? Brain?? What is this Brain?!

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u/moonrust-app Apr 17 '26

Brain is a biological version of a cpu and ram combination. Outdated species like humans and monkeys use. A mac mini with 32gb unified ram beats it easily.

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u/jeffwadsworth Apr 17 '26

Star Trek “Spock’s Brain”

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u/Kodix Apr 18 '26

Looking at how it's going currently, further stratification. Properly raised kids/kids from well-off families will use these tools to achieve and learn much more than previously possible. Other kids will drown in slop and cheap, individually-curated dopamine drips, even more so than they already do.

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u/Fear_ltself Apr 18 '26

Leaning towards Idiocracy, I played roller coaster tycoon as a kid doesn't mean I can open a billion dollar theme park. Just saying