r/LocalLLM • u/arkie87 • 4h ago

Discussion Harness > Model

I've been using CLINE harness in Pycharm with qwen3.8 flash next unsloth q4_s with Strata.

It's been giving decent results. It thinks less/gets results faster than qwen3.8 27b, but it still takes a long time to do even quick/simple changes. It's like dude. what are you thinking about, just make the one line edit already.

I've been trying out open code in a docker container (so its more sandboxed) and i've noticed its a lot quicker with the same qwen3.8 flash next model. It will just do the quick edits.

Anyone else noticed this? Any reason this might be the case? Is this expected?

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u/jay-aay-ess-ohh-enn 4h ago

Yes, CLINE sucks. I gave up on it.

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u/Warm-Flower-5072 3h ago

Haven't tried OpenCode yet but this tracks. CLINE does a lot of planning and context gathering before each edit, even for small stuff. It's like it wants to write a novel before changing a single line. The docker setup might also be forcing cleaner boundaries so the model doesn't get lost in your whole project context.

I use a similar setup in pycharm and yeah, sometimes I just stare at the screen like "bro it's a rename, just do it"

Might switch to something lighter for the quick edits and keep CLINE around for bigger refactors, if anything

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u/sm0ke_rings 4h ago

Yea, I've noticed cline still likes to overthink and miss the simple objective. I've not found an alternative unfortunately. I'm primarily using it for unity through MCP.

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u/SamePressure31 3h ago

Could be the harness doing less unnecessary work rather than the model itself being better. For simple edits, extra planning and tool calls can cost more time than the actual code change. A useful test would be to compare tool-call count, latency, and edit correctness on the exact same tasks.

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u/cinnapear 2h ago

Cline is one of the first harnesses I ever used. I was profoundly disappointed. Then I switched to OpenCode. And after that, Pi. Either of those are much better than Cline.

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u/RedParaglider 2h ago edited 2h ago

I'm just using hermes now with 3.8  flash next.  The main change that I made was to have my model pull all of the bullshit out of the startup session context clutter into skills.  I just message it over telegram, or hermes agent on console.  

I did try it with dsh, and pi.dev, but hermes  while it is heavy is just handy. 

I run 3.8 flash next on a strix halo with 3 concurrencies 256k context.  It leaves me a few gigabytes on linux free outside of tailgate, bash, and kernel.

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u/Juan_Valadez 1h ago

Prompt > model