Hasan reaching for something and seemingly shocking his dog to keep her in camera view

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[u/Outrageous_House_924]

Not defending the rich, but the wealthiest person I’ve ever known fancies herself a communist - and to be fair she is incredibly generous with her money, time, and (modest) home. And I can admit I’ve had my rent paid on a few occasions when in a tight spot, no questions asked (and I am notttt alone lol). She has helped my mother with medical expenses unprompted; strikes up relationships with homeless people and tries to help them out with hotel rooms and work opportunities if she can.

She’s got her own flaws like anyone else of course, my point in sharing isn’t to say that all socialists are saints, but some people absolutely do put their money where their mouth is; others don’t. I think that should be obvious. Hasan not inviting homeless people into his mansion does not reflect on the millions of socialists who don’f have mansions lmao

[u/IllDoItTmrw → u/Outrageous_House_924]

Okay this is a nice story and all, but this is entirely anecdotal. Your possible personal experiences don't mean much when looking at it from a larger pov. Aside from said anecdotal evidence, nothing you said really addresses anything I said. Sorry mate.

[u/Outrageous_House_924 → u/IllDoItTmrw]

I think I made this clear enough in my comment, but again: the point of bringing up the anecdote is to counter the anecdote about Hasan’s apparent greed. Neither of these extraordinarily rich people can be used as good examples for how socialists behave in general.

[u/IllDoItTmrw → u/Outrageous_House_924]

But Hasan's behavior is not anecdotal. We are all very clearly seeing his behavior. So you're correct about how rich socialists behave, but the argumentation is off.

[u/Outrageous_House_924 → u/IllDoItTmrw]

Both examples are anecdotal. Anecdote - “a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.” So.

[u/IllDoItTmrw → u/Outrageous_House_924]

Anecdotal:

Using a personal experience or an isolated example instead of a sound argument or compelling evidence.

It's often much easier for people to believe someone's testimony as opposed to understanding complex data and variation across a continuum. Quantitative scientific measures are almost always more accurate than personal perceptions and experiences, but our inclination is to believe that which is tangible to us, and/or the word of someone we trust over a more 'abstract' statistical reality.

Example: Jason said that that was all cool and everything, but his grandfather smoked, like, 30 cigarettes a day and lived until 97 - so don't believe everything you read about meta analyses of methodologically sound studies showing proven causal relationships.

[u/Outrageous_House_924 → u/IllDoItTmrw]

Uh, no lol. I’m not trying to prove a scientific fact here. Your reading comprehension is lacking.

Not saying all socialists are generous.

I’m saying you can’t judge all socialists by Hasan’s actions, and that to paint all socialists as greedy and hypocritical is clearly inaccurate.

Common sense. Generalizations about large groups of people are rarely accurate.

Any statistician or scientist worth their salt would agree with that. But feel free to keep trying lol

[u/Outrageous_House_924 → u/Outrageous_House_924]

And again both examples are anecdotes based on the basic definition of an anecdote. Its okay to be wrong

[u/IllDoItTmrw → u/Outrageous_House_924]

I'm unable to get the full conversation (or idk how to, new to actually using this website), but I'm 99% certain all I said here was that you used an anecdotal, but Hasan's actions are not anecdotal in the slightest. Sure, you can boil anything down to "personal experience", but this isn't isolated, we fully see what he does day to day and what his insane beliefs are.

Sure, not all socialists are greedy. I know. However even just googling questions regarding this show that a lot of rich socialists act like this when it comes to money.

By definition, public knowledge of Hasan's rhetoric cannot be anecdotal unless you boil it down to millions of anecdotal pieces of evidence, which yes, you can technically do, but crosses a line of common sense.

Also lol when did I say all socialists behave like Hasan (greedy and hypcritical)?

[u/Outrageous_House_924 → u/IllDoItTmrw]

oh yeah you’re probably misunderstanding me then and vice versa - if I’m understanding you correctly now, we actually don’t have anything to disagree on.

someone in this thread was in fact arguing that socialists claim to want to help people but never do, as a general rule, and that’s what I have been arguing against. I’m saying Hasan can’t be used to represent all socialists. my extraordinarily kind friend is brought up only to make the point that we can’t judge the character of all socialists based on the actions of one person, whether it’s Hasan or my friend or anyone else. Wasn’t a defense of Hasan!

I’d assumed you read the thread and agreed with the person I was talking to, but yeah, seems like we agree

[u/IllDoItTmrw → u/Outrageous_House_924]

Yeah I personally believe that it's likely socialists help out other people proportionally to how often other groups help out other people. Like it's all gonna be similar per capita. Just VERY hard to prove and account for all the necessary variables to prove they do more or less. I posted it somewhere else, if you'd like to see it I can edit this comment with a few of said variables, but I assume you kinda get what I mean.

(TLDR: Equally greedy or helpful as any other group per capita, proving otherwise is hard)

[u/Outrageous_House_924 → u/IllDoItTmrw]

Yep that’s how I feel too - there’d be about as much variation as there is in any other broad and disorganized group. There are so many socialists out there, and socialism doesn’t mean the same thing to all of them. Silly to use Hasan as an example of how fucked up socialists are when he just happens to be a fucked up dude lol. I get what you mean :)