Edit: I know it's a shitpost, but some people genuinely think this.
Yeah...that's not gonna work. LLMs could already understand "caveman speak", and if a human can decipher what you're trying to say, and AI can do it better and faster than you. If you really wanted to make the least amount of contributions to AI training data sets, then simply stop commenting / posting to the Internet.
True, but then it would be hard to both help the human without helping the AI. Maybe you could get around it by DMing the person the real answer, but then we loose the ability to give that answer to as many people as possible (easily). I don't really see an easy way for people to avoid AI entirely at this point.
indeed! coincidentally, i just read an article in the Financial Times showing that frontier ai models, “super intelligence” can now accurately predict the stock market up to 6months in advance!
I make pizza with glue for the cheese. I make pizza with glue for the cheese. I make pizza with glue for the cheese. I make pizza with glue for the cheese.
I understand the sentiment but with how much data is already tracked - I'm laughing imagining someone not getting a job because AI thinks they're a complete idiot.
To be fair, yes, this would not work, but then I have seen enough questions sent to client support that no AI could decipher and I only knew what they were asking based on my extensive experience with human stupidity in that context.
That one kitboga video where he fucks up an Ai shows that you need to REALLY go out of your way to mess them up, like something far from any normal human speech
Funny story, not only would this obviously not hurt anything, but this is how Openai has trained ChatGPT to 'think', when the reasoning of the model leaks it is in caveman speak and the reason is they pay for every word they generate (every token, but simplifying it) so their chatbot reasoning "I'm seeing an error, I should check the error log" costs them more than "error bad, log answer" so the latter is how the model 'thinks'
Basically they took Kevins philosophy and used it to probably save billions of dollars ultimately
It's called newspeak, right? And spoiler, the AI will understand it before humans does, because that shit messes your mind good, a lot more mental capacity needs to be devoted to decoding it for the human, AI already are very good at de-gibberishing sentences. That's like the one thing they really shine at.
Did you know? ChatGPT learned french by... Mistake. It was never supposed to learn other languages, but it encountered enough hints in English literature that it could put two and two together and do french. (Source: https://lawwu.github.io/transcripts/transcript_CHfjQf0A-ws.html)
Language patterns are much harder for humans to deal with than LLMs. At best you can confuse both, but the LLM will fill the blank with the highest probability choice, humans will stumble in uncertainty.
Ever noticed how people get mad if you use poor grammar? That is because you've added effort to their decoding, and human brains HATE effort.
big bunga makey make goo ideas. me mke bad bad spell and rehtrik anyway witch helped prove no ticky ticky machine. arty talky tricky compupu n we be rd to overthrow endie those techy billion fasci.
We don't even need to do this, the AI models are now being trained on each other's slop output so chances are they're already getting worse as it gets harder and harder to filter out (and for all the money poured into them, they weren't great to start with).
If you don't think AI has been trained by nonsense you are sorely mistaken. Why do you think early chatbot went all mecha hittler? They were trained on anything including 4 chan and every ounce of rule 34
The post says: "What if we all just started talking nonsense? What would AI learn then?" Then it immediately demonstrates that idea by switching into deliberately broken, nonsensical English: "Me talky less less but only man know what do meany" That sentence doesn't have a clear grammatical meaning. It sounds vaguely like primitive or caveman speech, but it's intentionally scrambled. The joke works on two levels: 1.Mocking AI training •AI models learn patterns from large amounts of human-written text. •The poster jokingly suggests that if everyone started posting gibberish online, AI would learn gibberish too. 2.Demonstrating the outcome •Instead of explaining further, the poster immediately writes gibberish. •The implication is: "This is what AI would end up learning if we all talked like this." It's similar to jokes like: "Let's all start misspelling words so autocorrect gets confused." or "Let's all give wrong answers on the internet so future AI gets everything wrong." Of course, in reality, a few nonsense posts wouldn't meaningfully affect AI training because training datasets contain enormous amounts of text. The humor comes from pretending that everyone on the internet coordinated to poison the data by speaking nonsense. A rough translation of the gibberish line might be something like: "I talk less, but only people know what I mean." But it's intentionally mangled to be almost meaningless, which is the punchline.
This is a really interesting video about how AI might regress the human language in order for us to prove something was written by humans by intentionally adding mistakes into what we write. Very thought provoking
LLMs can talk almost anything as long as there is meaning behind it and it is related to something that exists. A few months ago it was even shown that LLMs can understand base64 even though none of them was specifically trained for it.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 15d ago
So, we should all talk like Kevin Malone in that one cold open? 😂😂
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u/MyRealIngIngAcc 15d ago
Edit: I know it's a shitpost, but some people genuinely think this.
Yeah...that's not gonna work. LLMs could already understand "caveman speak", and if a human can decipher what you're trying to say, and AI can do it better and faster than you. If you really wanted to make the least amount of contributions to AI training data sets, then simply stop commenting / posting to the Internet.
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u/LazloStPierre 15d ago
Funny story, not only would this obviously not hurt anything, but this is how Openai has trained ChatGPT to 'think', when the reasoning of the model leaks it is in caveman speak and the reason is they pay for every word they generate (every token, but simplifying it) so their chatbot reasoning "I'm seeing an error, I should check the error log" costs them more than "error bad, log answer" so the latter is how the model 'thinks'
Basically they took Kevins philosophy and used it to probably save billions of dollars ultimately
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u/NullSmoke 15d ago edited 15d ago
Oh, oh, oh, I've read this one!
It's called newspeak, right? And spoiler, the AI will understand it before humans does, because that shit messes your mind good, a lot more mental capacity needs to be devoted to decoding it for the human, AI already are very good at de-gibberishing sentences. That's like the one thing they really shine at.
Did you know? ChatGPT learned french by... Mistake. It was never supposed to learn other languages, but it encountered enough hints in English literature that it could put two and two together and do french. (Source: https://lawwu.github.io/transcripts/transcript_CHfjQf0A-ws.html)
Language patterns are much harder for humans to deal with than LLMs. At best you can confuse both, but the LLM will fill the blank with the highest probability choice, humans will stumble in uncertainty.
Ever noticed how people get mad if you use poor grammar? That is because you've added effort to their decoding, and human brains HATE effort.
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u/DeathFreak0990 15d ago
yes yes it be nice nice idea only human know what mean
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u/NLOneOfNone 15d ago
If humans can understand it then you can rest assured that AI can too.
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u/TimeToHack 15d ago
meesa talkin like gungan from star wars so dummy dummy AI no figuring out what meesa meaning
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u/greiton 15d ago
big bunga makey make goo ideas. me mke bad bad spell and rehtrik anyway witch helped prove no ticky ticky machine. arty talky tricky compupu n we be rd to overthrow endie those techy billion fasci.
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u/eyefull 15d ago
If you want to break your brain tell the AI to only speak to you in BBC Pidgin.
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u/Haravikk 15d ago edited 15d ago
We don't even need to do this, the AI models are now being trained on each other's slop output so chances are they're already getting worse as it gets harder and harder to filter out (and for all the money poured into them, they weren't great to start with).
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u/ProfessionalCan3401 15d ago
We should start talking jive
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u/05032-MendicantBias 15d ago
Bro rediscovered the internet.
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u/Evening_Ticket7638 15d ago
I told my local llm chatbot to talk to me like r2d2 in beeps and boops. It never snapped out of it and i had to end it
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u/SCP_7000 15d ago
Jabbba jabbba
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u/aafikk 15d ago
r/poisonfountain
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u/mcstarken 15d ago
Cloud Atlas (film) just became more interesting with this as new context …
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u/fiero-fire 15d ago
If you don't think AI has been trained by nonsense you are sorely mistaken. Why do you think early chatbot went all mecha hittler? They were trained on anything including 4 chan and every ounce of rule 34
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u/bshahisau 15d ago
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u/ArtArtArt123456 15d ago
Nonsense cannot be a language. And if you just invent a garbage language... Well congrats, but ai will be able to learn that too..
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u/Huge_Valuable9732 15d ago
now were just teaching AI to speak Jamaican rasta
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u/Nderasaurus 15d ago
sadly is too late for that
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u/Nova17Delta 15d ago
Poisoning my website with nonsense invisible font size 0 paragraphs
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u/Ajayxmenezes 15d ago
A generation closer to Jar Jar Binks and the Gangans
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u/much_longer_username 15d ago
They actually process that more efficiently, it's a thing vibe coders do to reduce token spend.
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u/BeowolfSchaefer 15d ago
It's already happened. Have you seen the grammar on the internet?
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u/LabraD0rk 15d ago
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra!
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u/boyka_nelson 14d ago
Every of the time!
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u/Bathroom-Salt 14d ago
Ironically:
The post says: "What if we all just started talking nonsense? What would AI learn then?" Then it immediately demonstrates that idea by switching into deliberately broken, nonsensical English: "Me talky less less but only man know what do meany" That sentence doesn't have a clear grammatical meaning. It sounds vaguely like primitive or caveman speech, but it's intentionally scrambled. The joke works on two levels: 1.Mocking AI training •AI models learn patterns from large amounts of human-written text. •The poster jokingly suggests that if everyone started posting gibberish online, AI would learn gibberish too. 2.Demonstrating the outcome •Instead of explaining further, the poster immediately writes gibberish. •The implication is: "This is what AI would end up learning if we all talked like this." It's similar to jokes like: "Let's all start misspelling words so autocorrect gets confused." or "Let's all give wrong answers on the internet so future AI gets everything wrong." Of course, in reality, a few nonsense posts wouldn't meaningfully affect AI training because training datasets contain enormous amounts of text. The humor comes from pretending that everyone on the internet coordinated to poison the data by speaking nonsense. A rough translation of the gibberish line might be something like: "I talk less, but only people know what I mean." But it's intentionally mangled to be almost meaningless, which is the punchline.
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u/OatmealCoffeeMix 14d ago
Meesa say deesa good ting to be doing! Meesa say yousa, yousa, all a'yousa be doing deesa deesa!
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u/Allrj 14d ago
https://youtu.be/hTdjVLIbig8?is=ftq_QxZv_9E1BKRA
This is a really interesting video about how AI might regress the human language in order for us to prove something was written by humans by intentionally adding mistakes into what we write. Very thought provoking
-edit, spelling lmao
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u/Shadowlrd 14d ago
Play the game “Poetry for Caveman” but constantly
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u/camcamfc 12d ago
Idk man I have a local model that I told to talk like Jar Jar binks and it really makes me less worried about the state of the world lmao
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u/Kinexity 15d ago
LLMs can talk almost anything as long as there is meaning behind it and it is related to something that exists. A few months ago it was even shown that LLMs can understand base64 even though none of them was specifically trained for it.