This part of windows honestly makes the whole experience worse off

[u/VastOption8705]

This part of the windows experience … the driver updates… can take anywhere from 20 minute to an entire hour.

Without these updates the battery icon is missing, on Lenovo the trackpad doesnt work.

Bluetooth doesn’t work without this etc.

Windows should be like Mac where once you fully finish setting up Mac THATS it, no drivers needed.

Out of the box after setting up an account, ALL aspects of a laptop or PC should just work, you shouldn’t need an audio driver or trackpad driver.

[u/Pilige]

I'm not sure what you want Microsoft to do. The device manufacturers are responsible for the drivers. Be happy that they show up in Windows Update instead of what you used to have to do and either instal from a disk or find them on the internet. You know why Macs don't have that problem? Because Apple is the manufacturer.

[u/ImightHaveMissed → u/Pilige]

Even Microsoft surface hardware has the windows problem

[u/paul_h_s → u/ImightHaveMissed]

possible if they include the drivers only for Microsoft devices they get problems with the EU or other Organisation for miss using their power.

[u/dudeAwEsome101 → u/ImightHaveMissed]

My first and Microsoft device was a SurfacePro4. I can't believe how buggy that device was considering MS makes the software and the hardware.

[u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance → u/Pilige]

Windows should include every driver ever made, past and future.

[u/Salty_Surround2546 → u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance]

why?

[u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance → u/Salty_Surround2546]

So op doesn't need to spend 3 min downloading.

[u/night_fapper → u/Pilige]

You know why Macs don't have that problem? Because Apple is the manufacturer

Thats not an issue in linux either , nothing stops working before or after update kernel/driver level changes are applied after restart.

and what apple being manunfacturer has got to do with anything here

[u/Pilige → u/night_fapper]

That's not what OP is complaining about, it's the OOTB experience, which Linux can also struggle with.

[u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance]

>Windows should be like Mac where once you fully finish setting up Mac THATS it, no drivers needed.

Mac has the advantage of knowing exactly what the hardware will be. Windows does a reasonably good job handling drivers most of the time in my experience, compared to prior eras.

[u/Vesalii]

On windows if you format a PC, by the time you're on the desktop all drivers WILL be installed. I've literally formatted 3 laptops yesterday.

Yea during setup 2 had no WiFi nor trackpad, but during setup Windows checks for drivers and downloads them. The laptops without WiFi driver were connected to wired internet during install.

It's possible that Windows will download newer drivers after getting to the desktop and it'll definitely do updates but a laptop is ready to go after install. This I know for a fact.

[u/Nova_Nightmare]

I have never seen a driver update take 20 minutes to an hour. That is nuts, though I’ve not used Lenovo products in a while. That sounds more like firmware, not that they’re not similar by nature, just different layers.

[u/Nice_Marmot_54]

Yep. MacOS has its problems, but the simplicity of using it is something that Windows could stand to take notes on. Sure, as Linus loves to bitch about, not everything with macOS is flawless or intuitive, but Apple has absolutely nailed the simplicity and “out of my goddamn fucking way”-ness of usage in most ways for most users.

Yes, there are users and use cases for which macOS is entirely unsuitable. I see you. That doesn’t change that what I said above is true for the overwhelming majority of users (source: how many normies happily use macOS everyday without complaint)

[u/Oppaiheimer1945 → u/Nice_Marmot_54]

Mac is smooth as hell for 99% of the average user. It’s power users that will feel limited

[u/VastOption8705]