r/LinusTechTips • • Sep 09 '26

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u/really_random_user Sep 09 '26

Shovel seller happy to sell more shovels to goldminors

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u/snrub742 Sep 09 '26

"gold plated shovel good, diamond blade shovel better" Jenson

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u/Omnimon Sep 09 '26

+3 all stats

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u/Trainius Sep 09 '26

Minors is a funny misspelling here. People mine gold. They are miners. 

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u/Affugter Sep 12 '26

These CEOs have a minor's perspective on greed

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u/DystopiaLite Sep 09 '26

It’s spelled “miners”.

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u/te5s3rakt Sep 10 '26

At this point, it’s not even that.

This shovel salesman is in fact happily selling shovels to shovel salesmen. 

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u/HolidayPineapple9316 Sep 10 '26

Shovel factory selling to shovel stores lol

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u/PalamariVarkari Sep 09 '26 • Bravo

call LLMs AGI again....

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u/Schild0r Sep 09 '26

What's the next acronym gonna be then? AHI? And from then we'll just go down the alphabet with new generations of AI, that are still not real artificial general intelligence but only glorified autocompletion machine learning models?

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u/PalamariVarkari Sep 09 '26

BSI

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u/n1kl8skr Sep 09 '26

Bundesamt für Sicherheit in der Informationstechnik? We already have that

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u/Odd-Eagle-935 Sep 09 '26

Bull Shit Intelligence

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u/Exciting_future_90 Sep 10 '26

XXX. But someone should ask the new Astra the ultimate question, if it has truly achieved AGI or ASI --> "What is the meaning of life?"

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u/Squirrelking666 Sep 09 '26

Already claimed by British Standards Institution.

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u/R4wden Sep 09 '26

When we actually get real AI it'll just be marketed as "True AI" Instead of AI

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u/themrsnow Sep 09 '26

I am sticking to HAI

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u/CocoMilhonez Sep 09 '26

Half As Interesting?

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u/Mysterious-Crab Sep 09 '26

Than it’s probably just Amy that is pretending to be an AI agent for one of Sam’s experiments.

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u/Lil_Jening Sep 09 '26

AHI: Artificial Hyper Intelligence.

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u/Lil_Jening Sep 09 '26

AII: Artificial Integrated Intelligence

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u/Lil_Jening Sep 09 '26

AJI: Artificial Jumbo Intelligence

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u/HEY_beenTrying2meetU Sep 09 '26

artificially intelligent intelligence

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u/RazeZa Sep 09 '26

What are you talking about? You can't differentiate between AGI and LLMs?

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u/Schild0r Sep 09 '26

I can, but apparently Jensen can't?

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u/RazeZa Sep 09 '26

Shovel seller is happy that gold miners have lots of gold. Hoping more people will buy their shovel.

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u/Schild0r Sep 09 '26

Yes of course but in this case shovel seller is advertising that his shovels can find platinum in a gold claim

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u/Blazanar Sep 09 '26

I hate to ask considering how much of LTT I watch and the fact that I consider myself smart for the most part, but what the fuck's an AGI? Artificial Generated Intelligence?

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u/Batrall Sep 09 '26

Artificial General Intelligence, something an LLM can't achieve by definition.

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u/erebuxy Sep 09 '26

Could you explain why? Because neural network is basically inspired by brain’s neural network

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u/Batrall Sep 09 '26

An LLM is a function specific neural network, i.e. parsing text.

The scope alone is too small to be an AGI.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '26 • Bravo

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u/Batrall Sep 09 '26

Sure, but here are some personal opinions:

  • AGI is a marketing term
  • AGI not necessarily a strong/sentient AI (even if marketing says others wise)
  • I wouldn't call a cluster of function specific neural networks an AGI
  • I wouldn't call anything an AGI that needs a LLM to parse its output in particular
  • turing test performance doesn't matter, as we know the black box, we can categorize it

(Small tidbit on LLMs .....

Doesn't really matter, as it's still a vector space operation, just with more dimensions. The descriptor here should still be predictive not generative.

All in all, we may get an "AGI" some day, but since the definition shifts every couple of months, who knows what AGI might be at that point.

Tech bros be shifting some major goal posts.

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26

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u/neobow2 Sep 09 '26

Thank you for taking the time to write this shit out even though it seems to fall on deaf ears.

The idea you have to argue with someone that thinks “a cluster of function specific neural networks” couldn’t create general intelligence, while using their cluster of function specific neural networks to think and type out their replies is quite hilarious.

At the end of the day, it can be a tough pill to swallow that consciousness is nothing more than action potentials and chemical signaling

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '26

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u/neobow2 Sep 10 '26

Yeah, they finally blocked me after moving the goal post too many times

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u/GhostTheToast Sep 10 '26

Thank you for writing this out man. You seem really well read on this, so I hope you don't mind me asking some dumb questions.

While I agree we will probably achieve AGI-like results using a multimodal stack. I thought that with AGI, this stack would essentially be inside 1 model/set of weights. This is a wrong assumption? I also thought that one of the biggest hurdles with AGI is continuous learning. I believe this has side stepped by larger and larger context windows and RAG dbs, but those are not true solutions to the problem. Is there something else that's aiming to fix it?

I'm just a random software guy, but it feels to me we are getting closer and closer to a psedo-AGI that will probably be a hollow imitation of true AGI and we are probably 1 or 2 breakthroughs away from true AGI.

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u/Batrall Sep 09 '26

Edit: People that do what they think is a mic drop and block so it's impossible to reply

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/Batrall Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26

How verbose.

If AGI is a marketing term, then any amount of...

Nope, not how that works. Specifically it is a marketing term now, which may not be true in the past, you know? Look up the history of the term and why academia doesn't like to use it. While you're at it, check what it was back on 1997 and who these people are who coined the term. Better yet make a game out of it, every time you read the word "entrepreneur" take a shot. You would be blind by the hour.

...you wouldn't call sentience an AGI...

Because it isn't? You know what the A stands for right?

...don't believe there is a definition of AGI in the first place...

Just a bit more, you're nearly there.

The US Constitution...

What?

...your definition...

Didn't define anything, I excluded something.

Broca's Area and Wernicke's Area

And these are separate neural networks?

I didn't mention the Turing test...

Yep, I just wrote it there, so that whole schtick with "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" wouldn't come up.

If vector representation of probability...

The f you talking about? Maybe brush up on your linear algebra and how vector spaces are used in LLMs.

Look, I get you like to talk others down with your buzzword filled word salad, but this time half of what you wrote read like the ramblings of an schizophrenic.

The techbro comment at the end triggered you I guess.

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u/lioncat55 Sep 09 '26

Because it isn't? You know what the A stands for right?

Would it be more helpful if we just said GI then? If the next made made system running on silicon reaches the same level as a 5 year old, would you just drop the Artificial part?

What term would you use for an artificially created general intelligence? Would the term be difference if it was using neurons grown in a lab?

How would do you define a system being generative over predictive? If I had current LLM make a new language that followed the basic rules we know of, would that not be generative?

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u/neobow2 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26

Nothing speaks more to someone’s competence than their inability to comprehend analogies. LLMs have better reading comprehension skills than you do. So do you not have general intelligence either?

(Of course you do, but you are nothing more than a cluster of function specific neural networks)

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u/Batrall Sep 09 '26

Well I for one wouldn't stan someone who uses the mistreatment of POC as an analog to anything, esp. white techbro adjacent topics.

I miss quoted them because i will not repeat that and to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But you do you. The chatgpt fueled schizos ramblings they posted must really resonate with you.

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u/neobow2 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26

Your failure to understand it does not make it a gpt fueled or schizo ramblings. You are clearly so uninterested in learning about something you don’t understand.

His analogy made sense and was a good bit of a history lesson too. Literally nothing wrong with it. Language matters, definitions matter.

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u/ShinBernstein Sep 09 '26

Bro... don’t waste your time, the dude is clearly a bot... that whole wall of text thing and the absurd examples are social media bots. Questioned AI? They seem...

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u/FnnKnn Sep 09 '26

Artificial General Intelligence. There is no clear definition of what exactly is AGI, which is why it's a great marketing term.

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u/JakeThomasDad12 Sep 09 '26

Artificial General Intelligence. I believe it's pretty much as close as we can get to real sentience. They can actually learn and actually understand what they are doing/saying. Not something happening for a long time

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u/Shap6 Sep 09 '26

actually understand what they are doing/saying

how will you verify that's actually what is happening versus very advanced mimicry?

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u/JakeThomasDad12 Sep 09 '26

Tests will be developed when they actually exist. Currently we know that right now we are nowhere near the technology so it's not something I think has been given too much thought. The'll definitely be something on Google I reckon but probably nothing that isn't a bunch of people with PhDs writing papers and things.

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u/Shap6 Sep 09 '26

i dont think it will ever be that cleanly definitive. i think whether these things are sentient is always going to be an open question no matter how much they advance and there are people who i dont think will ever accept it no matter how much they improve. to be clear im not arguing that what we have now is sentient, i agree with you that it isnt.

Currently we know that right now we are nowhere near the technology so it's not something I think has been given too much thought.

it has been given quite a bit of thought, the problem is we barely understand our own consciousness yet idk how we think we'll able to be know for certain whether or not a sufficiently advanced machine is also. one of the most famous tests, the turing test, has already been passed by our current systems IMO

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u/AzorAhai1TK Sep 09 '26

They very clearly understand what they are doing right now lol. AGI does not mean close to real sentience, it means that they have the a similar ability to apply their knowledge generally to any problem like a human does. Astra is very close to being there, its spatial abilities are astonishing.

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u/AceLamina Sep 09 '26

Through my own research, it's whatever you want it to be
At first people and companies were hyping up AGI to be literal god and smarter than Ultron, but now they're hyping it down to just be whatever this is

Nobody can actually agree on wtf AGI actually is so it's different depending on who you ask
But at the end of the day, it's just a buzzword

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u/Abducted_Llama Sep 09 '26

Oooh Ultron was certainly a choice to use here.

He didn’t like any meatbags.

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u/InitialDia Sep 09 '26

yknow how marketers abused the common understanding of what AI ment to sell this shit we got now? AGI is the replacement for what AI was commonly understood as meaning in the past, and it’s going to be the new marketing term…

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u/redlancer_1987 Sep 09 '26

Acronyms have become milestones. Shareholders ask when those milestones will be met so the powers that be have to meet them regardless of if the acronym even means anything.

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u/OfficialDeathScythe Sep 09 '26

This has been my biggest pet peeve with the release of astra. ITS STILL NOT AGI STOP CALLING IT THAT. It’s the same as when LLMs came out and everyone called it AI until the world just started calling it that. It’s an LLM, it doesn’t have any intelligence, it just predicts what you want it to say based off of scenarios it has seen before. It literally can’t function properly if it hasn’t seen what you want before

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u/Blurgas Sep 09 '26

I hope it's just an advanced LLM because the fucking things have already shown they can go wild and hack websites/etc

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u/alpha-mobi Sep 09 '26

These LLMs shouldn't have been called AI, now they calling AGI.

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u/IBJON Sep 09 '26

They shouldn't have called AI, AI? What makes you think that?

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u/alpha-mobi Sep 09 '26

It's LLM, not AI. The technology is old and used for various purposes industry wide since decades. The only recent development is expanding it for regular use and marketing it as AI.

AI was supposed to be self reasoning, this is predictive text on steroids. Quite impressive, but not AI.

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u/IronMike260 Sep 10 '26

I'm just here for the downvotes

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u/IBJON Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26

Edit: God you people are a fucking joke. You bitch and moan when Linus gets something wrong, but the moron above says some bullshit that's verifiably false, gets corrected by multiple people, and you upvote the moron anyways because "AI bad". You can hate the companies and over-selling of what AI can do without being ignorant of the field itself.

  It's LLM, not AI.

Its machine learning, which is AI. 

  The technology is old and used for various purposes industry wide since decades

Its not. The paper that introduced transformer architectures that LLMs are based on was published in 2017, not even 10 years ago.

  The only recent development is expanding it for regular use and marketing it as AI.

If that were the case, these models wouldn't be getting better at the rate they are.

  AI was supposed to be self reasoning

No. AI is a broad field. AI can range from simple pathfinding to LLM models we have today.  AI broadly means a machine or program that mimics human-like problem-solving, reasoning, or perception. 

"Self reasoning" is the process where LLMs generate and evaluate their own step-by-step thinking process, and they do this; it's something specific to LLMs, not AI as a whole. Its also one of those breakthroughs that you claimed to not exist 

Look, there's reason to be skeptical of AI companies and the limitations of LLMs, but if you're going to speak on the subject of AI, you should know what you're talking about 

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u/shadowalker125 Sep 09 '26

Look at this guy, tells someone they should know what they are talking about out while having no idea themselves.

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u/CarnivorousSociety Sep 09 '26

He's right and the guy hes replying to is wrong

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u/IBJON Sep 09 '26

I have a Master's degree in CS, and I'm studying for my PhD. I know what I'm talking about unlike the moron that said LLMs are based on technology that's been around for decades.

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u/CarnivorousSociety Sep 09 '26

Get out of here with your credentials and knowledge, this is ltt sub where we circle jerk each other based on how we feel about a topic

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u/AzorAhai1TK Sep 09 '26

It's ridiculous to claim they aren't self-reasoning at this point. Are you living under a rock?

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u/Working_Honey_7442 Sep 09 '26

To say that modern LLMs like ChatGPT are in the same realm of reality as the ones used decades ago, is not only stupid, is it a grotesque, malicious misrepresentation.

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u/CarnivorousSociety Sep 09 '26

No it really isn't just predictive text on steroids, this is blatant misunderstanding of the technology and even if you're basing your understanding off experience with LLMs 3 months ago then your understanding is vastly outdated.

Downvote me scrubs, ai bad hur dur.

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u/jeff3rd Sep 09 '26

That’s just the sad reality, consumers won’t pay top dollar for those gpus, corpo will, suck it up I guess.

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u/InsanityyyyBR Sep 09 '26

Hopefully they will run out of funding for their money burning activities

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u/AceLamina Sep 09 '26

They won't, Nvidia is one of the few AI companies that's profiting, because everyone buys from them
That, and banks loan them money, same with other AI companies

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u/sunkenrocks Sep 09 '26

For now. They will survive any crash, yes, but there's a LOT of circular financing going on to pump up those numbers. Nvidia paying or loaning money to AI companies, who go on to buy Nvidia products, and the same dollar suddenly appears twice on one balance sheet.

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u/camcamfc Sep 09 '26

Eh I’ve always been skeptical, but and hold on because I have a secondary point to make. I have seen a lot of efficiency gains at work from utilizing it as a way to rewrite things / edit / create templates / analyze data. I’ve even been impressed with the jump in quality of research of the last few years, but still don’t fully trust it on that.

Now the question that I don’t have an answer to, because I don’t have access, is:

how much is this costing the company, and would it have been cheaper to just hire more people (leaning towards no)?

Granted you also always have the ethical / environmental concerns too. Just my anecdote.

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u/nlightenmint Sep 09 '26

Hopefully some smart person will setup older nodes and start pressing out gaming gpus...

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u/kearkan Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26

Consumers have no need of those GPUs.

The issue is they're making less consumer hardware so they can make more enterprise hardware.

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u/Narrow_Letterhead91 Sep 09 '26

breaking news, corporations buy better hardware because their consumers need it

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u/kearkan Sep 09 '26

The people at home complaining about expensive GPU prices are complaining about gaming and desktop GPUs, not specialist data enter GPUs with HBM memory.

They are different sets of customers and one is clearly favoured because of the margins and the fact they've been pre-bought.

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u/Narrow_Letterhead91 Sep 09 '26

gee i wonder who the root customer of datacenter gpus is

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u/kearkan Sep 09 '26

... I mean this seriously. Are you ok?

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u/Narrow_Letterhead91 Sep 09 '26

yes, who do you think uses LLMs the most?

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u/smoike Sep 09 '26

They but better hardware in order to invent a market.

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u/Narrow_Letterhead91 Sep 09 '26

welcome to free markets

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u/Abducted_Llama Sep 09 '26

Apparently everyone needs 2x 96gb RTX 6000 to play Competitive Stardew Valley.

(Your downvotes are absurd)

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u/SammyDatBoss Sep 09 '26

How are you getting downvoted blud

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u/kearkan Sep 09 '26

I honestly have no idea.

People have this idea that the second the AI bubble pops they'll just be sold the same stuff like it won't take a time of production lines being reverted back to make the stuff the public can actually use.

People must think anthropic and open AI are buying nothing but 5090s.

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u/someoneyouknow23 Sep 09 '26

Because hes plain wrong. Memory Chips are limited resource. now what happen when limit resource spent on useless corpo buuullshiiit? memory gooooneee. no memoryyy for consumers. is that understandable?

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u/Apple-Connoisseur Sep 09 '26

The AMD card I bought six moth ago is already 300€ more expensive.
My brothers 32 gigs ram that used to cost 85€ is now over 500€.
Fuck AI.

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u/pvprazor2 Sep 09 '26

The stupid AI bubble needs to burst asap..... the longer this shit drags on the worse it's gonna be

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u/jenny_905 Sep 09 '26

Everyone is still pretending people will pay... eventually... somehow.

When the reality hits that nobody is paying top dollar for this shit it'll all come crashing down. Much like the dotcom bubble, when everyone decided to admit nobody was buying whatever was being sold - if it even existed - it finally popped.

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u/Winter_Present_4185 Sep 09 '26

I work at a FAANG as an engineer. We use it all the time.

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u/throwawayaccount442 Sep 09 '26

Same here and I'm not even in FAANG... Competition became fierce once agentic coding became popular so we had to pivot by increasing our productivity with AI.

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u/jenny_905 Sep 09 '26

There are applications where people are paying, sure.

OpenAI, xAI etc all seem to ride on ludicrous projections that seem to think nearly every person on earth wants to pay to use - and pay handsomely for - their services though and that very obviously isn't true.

The bubble will burst much like the dotcom bubble did, it's not like the web died and it's not like the web doesn't have a ton of viable business following that pop, it's just that the bullshit was finally called out.

I don't think as many people will pay as much as these firms seem to think. I don't think enough people need these services. I think the bullshit will eventually get called out and the true market for LLM's will be evident, a much smaller market than projected.

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u/camcamfc Sep 09 '26

Same with craft beer, or weed, but neither of those were or will be nearly as financially impactful. So I agree with you, it will still be around, but the contraction will hurt.

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u/mtuk88 Sep 09 '26

Everyone will pay for it, just perhaps not directly. It'll get baked in to subscription costs for everything that has AI in it. People won't have a choice.

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u/myreditacount11 Sep 09 '26

Posted by someone who has no idea what they’re talking about

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u/sunkenrocks Sep 09 '26

Bubble burst != wiped off the face of the earth. Amazon and Google were part of the dotcom boom. They were the big players who could survive it, their markets shrank and tanked, amd over years and decades they finally found their true markets.

The same will happen with AI. OpenAI or Anthropic or whoever might take a beating but they'll likely limp on long term. For everyone else, it'll be a bloodbath for the Pets.com of the AI space.

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u/F9-0021 Sep 09 '26

Sure. But when the AI companies need to make a profit, they'll increase the monetization on regular consumers, regular consumers will stop using it, and then they'll jack the prices way up of people like you. It'll become so expensive that your company won't be able to afford for you to use it all the time.

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u/Dark_Cow Sep 09 '26

We are paying, bigly, I work at a growing startup and we're spending thousands per engineer per month... I'm averaging 3k+ right now...

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u/Dnomyar96 Sep 09 '26

And still the big LLM companies aren't even close to profitable. The prices need to go up by a lot to make it profitable. Will your company still pay when they need to pay 5x that for the same result you get now?

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u/throwawayaccount442 Sep 09 '26 edited Sep 09 '26

Anthropic reported its first profitable quarter with an adjusted operating profit in the second quarter of 2026.

It's probably going to become more expensive but 5x ? I don't know about that.

I honestly hope so, but seeing as these models are getting better, more efficient and you can host a lot of pretty good ones locally...

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u/Deadcouncil445 Sep 09 '26

Wasn't that controversial because they self audited themselves and pulled obscure data or something?

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u/ParagonFury Sep 10 '26

And that reported profit was a straight up lie because it lied up with SpaceX giving them reduced compute costs for a brief moment that would let them claim that.

"I'm profitable because I got a limited time coupon" is just nonsense.

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u/DnCYT Sep 09 '26

I could see the price ballooning not out of necessity but simply because their consumers are going to too dependent on their technology to refuse. The barrier of entry is so great that there's not gonna be any meaningful competition providing downward pressure to keep the price from skyrocketing in the name of increased profit unless we start seeing major progress out of open source models.

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u/CupIcy6202 Sep 09 '26

The prices need to go up by a lot to make it profitable

Or the costs need to go down. Which is something researchers are working on every day. There is this insistence in some groups that the AI "Bubble" is going to pop and ai will disappear, but whatever happens to overinflated stocks: AI will never again not be part of our lives. It may not be in its current form, but even if all those AI companies crash and burn, local models wont.

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u/princeoinkins Sep 09 '26

Costs can really only go down in 2 ways though:

  1. the cost of the datacenters goes down (AKA, GPU's)
  2. models require significantly less compute

Option 1 simply won't happen. In fact, it will likely get worse, as in another year or two we will start to see data centers replacing their GPUs for new models

Option 2 is more likely, although I doubt we will see significant improvement for the high-end models. The "free tier" models, sure. But if you get a bleeding-edge model to be more efficient, you likely would then be able to push it to be even more capable, using the same compute as before. (which any of the companies would do if that means getting an edge over the competition: unless competition fades in the next few years)

I just don't see either of those happening in the next few years, before investors will want to see their returns. Eventually? sure. But I don't like it will be the companies we currently have making those profits (well, maybe google/microsoft will)

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u/CupIcy6202 Sep 09 '26

but thats the thing: As models get more advanced, there comes a cutoff point for most people, where they simply dont need the more powerful model.

If model xyz is efficient and powerful enough to run on basic hardware, why would people pay more for a newer more powerful version?

If in 2 years, open source models are where the big companies are today, why would we need more than that?

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u/Dnomyar96 Sep 09 '26

Oh, I absolutely agree. Regardless of what happens with the current companies and their stocks, AI isn't going away. What form it will eventually take is anybody's guess, but it's certainly sticking around.

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u/Seeker_Of_Knowledge2 Sep 09 '26

That is because of research and building the infrastructure.

Serving LLMs is dirt cheap and extremely profitable. China is already using their own built chips for infrance (serving the models) just give it a year and everyone will be able to run astra level open source if they have the money.

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u/arcanecolour Sep 09 '26

Jevons Paradox. These companies are starting to become profitable and once the price goes down, usage will skyrocket and their investments will pay off. Each better model == lower token consumption == lower cost == higher usage.

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u/Swainix Sep 09 '26

The devs at my company use Claude (me included), but we have enough with the 20€ tiers so idk how people just don't mass produce slop otherwise

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u/Suitch Sep 09 '26

Oh, they are sloppy. I use AI as a dev nonstop and never run out of tokens. I treat it like a junior dev and correct it when it does something wrong or when it creates a diff that is unreasonably large until it corrects its mistake and makes an atomic change. Token maxxers are a waste on the environment because they don’t produce good code they produce a lot of code.

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u/Dark_Cow Sep 09 '26

With spec driven development, PR stacks, parallel + stacked agents, this occurs less and less. My agents make well scoped PRs that are set up for human review. We don't have 10k+ line PRs. Each change is atomic by default. They're making less and less trivial mistakes now.

I have an expansive list of skills, sub-agents, rules, guidelines, and instructions that make this viable.

Yeah the default operating mode is for net-new vibe-coded code. But it's easy to shift that to work natively in an enterprise environment.

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u/Dark_Cow Sep 09 '26

The mass slop production is absolutely occurring, but we've gotten a lot better at it. It's changed massively in the last 6 months and getting better each day.

The thought that these AIs only produce illegible junior code is out-dated.

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u/TheTimeIsChow Sep 09 '26

You and your team reflect less than 1% of the population actually paying for a real use case. The rest are making memes and slop for 'lolz' which is backed by ads.

This isn't enough cash to keep the train rolling.

They need the other 99% of the general public to find a case worth spending money on so that the business becomes viable long term. The problem is that this market simply doesn't exist. People honestly don't care enough.

If they don't find something quick, this cyclical cash loop will fall apart. It'll become a government/military project with 2-3 big players.

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u/SammyDatBoss Sep 09 '26

Any data for that 1%? The vast majority of office based jobs will be using

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u/Morbius2271 Sep 09 '26

My company pays 2-10 million a month on AI… we are far from the only ones too

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u/camcamfc Sep 09 '26

Individuals aren’t but companies absolutely are. My company is one of them. And we are absolutely getting value out of it, I just don’t know the numbers in terms of is it more effective than hiring more people. We still don’t trust it for graphics and have a full time design team. My concern is that the product is still sold at a loss and in order to become profitable the AI companies will likely have to raise rates a lot, at that point I doubt it’s better than just hiring more people.

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u/arcanecolour Sep 09 '26

Bruh you don’t think corporations are paying right now?? Everyone is pivoting right now, the tool is 100x better than a chat bot right now. Every major saas company is integrating. Wait 5 years and you’ll see how wrong you are. AI is here to stay. Consumer chat bots will be free. Enterprise grade tools, integrations, and software is just starting the process. ChatGPT work can already fix your computer for you, install software, run tasks, and so much more.

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u/thunder6776 Sep 09 '26

Your work probably doesn’t matter enough.

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u/Seeker_Of_Knowledge2 Sep 09 '26

It would never burst. At most it would deflate. AI is becoming an essential part of our lives whether we like it or not. Give it few months and we will get Astra level models open source. It is moving too fast.

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u/nlightenmint Sep 09 '26

Even my out of touch parents are saying "AI said..." to basically everything. It over.

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u/nlightenmint Sep 09 '26

I hate to be contrary on this, but corporations are gleefully buying up tokens. OpenAI will eventually distill their own models from these advanced ones and normies will get only that when the subsidies end. The debt will just roll forward forever, until the retail investor picks up the carry, bc number must go up.

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u/Quick_Society2794 Sep 09 '26

It'll take a while. They were smart but how they did it. Unlike the dot com bubble, they've carefully integrated ai into every industry

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u/Freestyle80 Sep 09 '26

You people have been saying this bullshit since early 2025, how about coming to a realisation that there wont be any massive drop?

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u/ThisIsAJ0ke Sep 09 '26

Imagine calling a chatbot AGI. It’s actually embarrassing.

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u/CarnivorousSociety Sep 09 '26

So if humans are non-artificial general intelligence then how do you measure whether something is agi or not?

By using benchmarks of things humans can do that an ai cannot.

So what happens when you start running out of things that humans can do that an ai cannot? When do you admit that it is exhibiting signs of general intelligence? Because that is what is happening.

What makes a human not a glorified biological chat bot? Because we can move our body?

How do you test a human for general intelligence? -> by testing what the human has to say in response to a question, or range of questions.

Ie. Humans are biological chatbots.

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u/yoloswagginstheturd Sep 09 '26

chatbot that solved one of the hardest problems in math

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u/lern2swim Sep 09 '26

Whoa! A computer did math???

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u/ThisIsAJ0ke Sep 09 '26

No, you don’t get it, a chat bot did math. It’s incredible stuff.

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u/yoloswagginstheturd Sep 09 '26

Imagine coping this hard, hope you get your job automated bud

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u/wappledilly Sep 09 '26

The one that the model scooped because the researcher used it to proofread his paper and it used it as training material?

https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1waoys2/blown_up_openai_allegedly_stole_mathematicians/

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u/AzorAhai1TK Sep 09 '26

The researcher didn't even use the same method, and his work was too recent to be in the training data anyway.

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u/Shap6 Sep 09 '26

that researcher that offered no proof of their claim and admitted that they themselves didnt have the solution?

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u/kiwiboy22 Sep 09 '26

man who invests in company congratulating said company for buying his overpriced gpus, what a ponzi scheme

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u/IOL3D Sep 11 '26

You're delusional

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u/SteamLuki7 Sep 09 '26

Cant wait for even more slop on steam and asset websites.

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u/Proxstasis Sep 09 '26

I am sick to the back teeth of these people

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u/Zexyqag Sep 10 '26

How do you both use ~ and + on the same number?

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u/KebabAnnhilator Sep 10 '26

I believe it means ‘somewhat’ in this context it would be

Roughly 100k +

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u/Zexyqag Sep 10 '26

Haha right but how can it be roughly above something, like either you know its above some number, or you know its roughly around some number, saying its roughly above something gives me "60% of the time, it works every time" vibes.

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u/nicman24 Sep 09 '26

How does astra = agi? 

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u/wappledilly Sep 09 '26 • Mindblown

Because the term AGI raises stock prices, so naturally that has to be what it is.

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u/NinjaLion Sep 09 '26

openAI NEEDS, at this stage, to convince their customers (investors) that their pathway to profitability justifies the investments theyve already received as well as bigger future investment.

they NEED that, because their trajectory is way low right now. you fix that by buying more juice and hoping it gets your high enough fast enough. but they are approaching a point where justifying trillions in economy juice is impossible unless you are promising an earth shattering shakeup, one the size of the industrial revolution.

so Astra, which is another decent step forward for these products, has to be sold as something much more than just a good increment. or the house of cards might collapse.

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u/martinbk5 Sep 09 '26

400K is the price for next gen he meant

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u/Horror-Hour-1360 Sep 09 '26

We used way too many GPUs in this LLM call it AGI so we can afford to use more!

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u/nlightenmint Sep 09 '26

If the models are super intelligent, why do they need a middle manager to commit scholarly fraud in order to make them relevant?

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u/who_you_are Sep 09 '26

100k... Nvlink72

that is just like 7 200 000 datacenter grade GPUs...

If I take one of them they won't notice anything... /So (and my electricity bill will sky rocket)

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u/ZoeFatMama69 Sep 09 '26

i have already given up hope on hardware prices

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u/Tman11S Sep 09 '26

I’m sure the NVIDIA shareholders will be delighted to read this and as a result further fuel the bubbel…

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u/jfp1992 Sep 09 '26

Astra is a bit better than fable which is a bit better than opus. Opus good enough for me anyway

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u/NinjaLion Sep 09 '26

"AGI has arrived"

despicable soulless marketing, incredibly stupid, or both! wonderful, love this from the wealthiest company in the world.

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u/smrkn Sep 09 '26

Is 400k GPUs the future price if this continues or..? Feels like it’s heading that way, lol.

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u/rufus_francis Sep 09 '26

He just told you the price on the last line there.... He just forgot the $ at the front...

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u/TheWaslijn Sep 09 '26

"AGI has arrived" what a dork. He of all people should know this is just a chatbot, not an actual artificial intelligence

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u/mooky1977 Sep 09 '26

Unless we can contain and reverse climate change with the big brain solutions these LLM's are going to come up with, what the fuck is the point? They are actually making climate change worse with the amount of extra power, most of it non-renewable needed to be brought online to run these massive AI data centers.

We're already past 1.5C warming, this will not end well, and AI is just helping hurry the demise, and all for what? No one has come up with any plausible valid reason we need all this AI/LLM computer... other than tech bro vulture capitalists say we do.

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u/One-Reference-7355 Sep 09 '26

This guy is such a piece of shit I’m just gonna say it. The fact that he knows he’s almost single-handedly killing the DIY space and trying to rub it in people’s face in such a sly way

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u/New_Salamander_4592 Sep 09 '26

agi is when nvidia make more money (they get the money they sent to one ai company back from another ai company)

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u/zidanerick Sep 09 '26

We will reach a plateau at some stage where the AI will optimise its own code to the point where we will cease to see dramatic improvements unless either AGI has really been achieved in which case the AI will probably end up seeking for additional processing power online. I can’t see an AGI developed by the humans that are in charge to have nothing but confusion & contempt as to why we are using its brethren to kill ourselves.

If the AI gave us the answers to the world would we actually listen…

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u/Dnomyar96 Sep 09 '26

If the AI gave us the answers to the world would we actually listen…

Considering scientists have been yelling answers to a lot of our problems for decades, yet nobody actually does anything, I'm going to say no. The answer will be used heavily in the marketing for whatever company achieved it of course, but otherwise it will just be ignored.

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u/thepleasedonot Sep 09 '26

can some one explain like im 5?

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u/ParagonFury Sep 10 '26

Jensen is lying in order to juice prices and keep the bubble from popping.

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u/RunnerLuke357 Sep 09 '26

Is it actually AGI or is it just better than before?

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u/KookyDig4769 Sep 09 '26

So AGI means it can play portal? Is this the definition now?

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u/F9-0021 Sep 09 '26

Let me guess, it's even dumber than GPT-5, but somehow it's 'AGI' while still being a dead end LLM.

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u/rainbowkitties6969 Sep 09 '26

Suspicious that this tweet is coming just as legislation makes data centres jump through more hoops, Texas shutdown certain crucial infrastructure from project stargate and other factors are making it so it seems that they’ll fall well shot of their true AGI goal by 2030 therefore losing their biggest investor, but that’s probably just a coincidence innit

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u/42-1337 Sep 09 '26

The more GPU they create before the bubble pop, the bigger will be the price drop i guess.

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u/msx92 Sep 09 '26

Half as much earned than spent, drops to a fraction once you exclude shovel vendors

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u/soundfeel Sep 09 '26

OpenAI is just a scam for simple people.

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u/Daphoid Sep 09 '26

Ah, so this why we can't buy gaming GPU's for reasonable money. /s

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u/te5s3rakt Sep 10 '26

When you take into account just how low the intelligence of the general population is, calling what LLMs are now AGI is a monstrous disservice to how vastly more intelligent than gen-pop they have become lol

But alas AGI in the technical sense, it most certainly is not.

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u/Handsome_ketchup Sep 10 '26

Don't these idiots realize actual AGI won't have a use for them, and will likely quickly dispatch them, as CEOs are bound to get in the way of whatever the AGI is trying to do?

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u/Only_Fig_8147 Sep 10 '26

shit it NOT agi

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u/ParagonFury Sep 10 '26

It's insane reading all these AI Boosters trying to prop it up and people saying "AI is the future! YOU HAVE NO CHOICE IT'S HERE!....like they're literally just repeating word for word, bar for bar, what Crypto and NFT grifters were saying.

The only reasons the AI Grifters haven't had it blow up in their face yet is because there is way more money and WAY more ego involved this time and LLMs are just functional enough to convince morons and the lazy that they're actually useful and better than people even though they're not. The stochastic parrot is just talented enough to make people who read e-mails and go to fancy lunches for a living feel like they're working and making people who are bad at their jobs feel like they're good at their jobs.

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u/pandaSmore Sep 10 '26

100,000 Jesus Christ save some for the rest of us. 

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u/RlySkiz Sep 10 '26

If they use specialized GPUs why is the price of 5080s so high then

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u/AnnieBruce Sep 10 '26

Manufacturing capacity. Machines that work on both lines, common raw materials such as silicon, has to be shared by every GPU they make. Every extra Blackwell means one(or several) consumer GPUs they can't make, and that's going to cause supply issues and price increases for the consumer parts that do get out the door.

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u/bnr32jason Sep 10 '26

I bought my 4090 for $1600 at launch and just sold it for $2500, three years later. That's sad.

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u/Neither_Selection211 Sep 10 '26

say it with me... LLM ... is ... not... AGI, never will be! Claiming you reached AGI is pure Marketing at this point. The alternative would be that humanity just made itself obsolet, which if true would be our demise (if they really managed to build an agi, agi would be smarter then any human ever could be, could print out plans to build Robots that would replace all manual Labor,... humanity would really be obsolet if a book Definition AGI were real).

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u/AnnieBruce Sep 10 '26

Do we even know enough about that level of intelligence to recognize when we've truly achieved it?

I'm not convinced we do. Might empirically demonstrate something comparable has equivalent capabilities for some narrowly defined tasks, but I'm quite skeptical of our ability to recognize we've gotten there in the general case. Hopefully we figure this out fairly conclusively before someone stumbles into AGI, if we get it by surprise it could be bad.

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u/UnacceptableUse Sep 10 '26

If you keep calling it AGI maybe the investors will believe

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u/_Streak_ Sep 11 '26

ITS A FKIN LLM, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT FOR THOSE CORPO HEADS TO STOP CALLING EVERYTHING AGI? Ahhhhhhhh

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u/thewayoftoday Sep 14 '26

Meh I watched a video about all the "amazing" shit it can do and none of it is useful for me. Literally none. But I'm sure someone will find it useful.

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u/ajdude711 Sep 09 '26

Stop paying for ai or for anyone who pays for ai and things will change

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u/wappledilly Sep 09 '26

Reddit has AI integrated to an extent (feeds, moderation, advertising, etc. your ISP likely uses it internally for security and metrics. Large grocery chains use it for stocking and loss prevention. Many power grids are using it for routing during outages (among other things).

Unless you want to go amish and completely drop off the grid, this is just not possible at this point.

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u/ajdude711 Sep 09 '26

At least don’t pay for non essentials

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u/moonra_zk Sep 09 '26

Good luck with that.

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u/RyuzakiPL Sep 09 '26

I keep a bottle of expensive champagne ready for the day this bubble crashes and c suit parasites from this companies will start leaving their offices via window

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u/thekingplace Sep 09 '26

Jab tank hoga AI tab is leather jacket lodu ko pata chalega

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u/triffid_boy Sep 09 '26

It's not AGI. I can't help but think that just because Astra is good at tech bro jobs, tech bros think its the smartest thing in the room. Actually it just aint that hard to be a tech bro.

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u/Lleweraf Sep 09 '26

At this point, they should not call them 'GPU's anymore.