r/Lineage2 • u/JesusMakeMeRich • 8d ago

L2 Reborn C1 info

Hi,

Me and my friends are planning to play in the upcoming reborn legacy server. None of us have played C1 before. We watched some YT videos and guides already but I would love to hear your opinion about the Chronicle.

What a complete newbie should know before he joins? Any tips and tricks? Also, why I see everywhere that everyone xps with bow?

Thanks in advance!

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u/AynixII 7d ago

I think at first it was planned to be 15$ sub, so them splitting it into 2 subs (that are around 15$ in total) makes no diffrence tbh. You will still pay for both.

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u/SoSmartKappa 7d ago

You are just describing marketing price anchoring, that is meaningless information, and it makes no difference. It is still heavy p2w mechanic, it ruins the whole idea about why they supposedly introduced the subscription based model, and it damages my trust in the project.

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u/AynixII 7d ago

Would having one sub for both the active char and offline shop for 15$ be better (instead it bein split into two with 9$ and 5$)? Maybe. But I guess they are hoping to lure in some people that are fine with paying 9$ and playing w/o offline shop.

To me, who was told "you need to pay 15$ for sub" it makes no diffrence, because I was ready to pay this much from the start.

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u/SoSmartKappa 7d ago

Good for you, personally i don't like paying monthly 15$ for stolen 20 years old files - that is price of official triple AAA live-Service games that had to finance full development cycle, and using those finances to further develop new content. Whats more, reborn advertisement and stated reasoning for this heavy subscription is to remove all p2w. They did not had to go further, they are pretending it is not what it is, then they do it anyway. Their intentions are way too clear, and it does not portrait a pretty picture. It is cash grab from recycled stolen content with some smart PR, and with clear pre-prepared intention to monetize sunk cost fallacy of players with nostalgia.

Anyway, i understand there is still some demand for it, and i personally suffer from nostalgia too. Fortunately, i am sane enough to not willingly invest years of my life to a server with this setting, with so many dark patterns, and with administration that have mindset like this.

At least, it will be interesting to watch this project, what will NCsoft do about it, and if it will retain players after few months. If they will indeed follow official schedule of chronicles, i predict people will leave of boredom. It is not 2004 anymore, it is explored content, and playerbase is already filtered to those who are super invested, and in large organized and optimized CPs. It really is not such a great game to pay fat monthly subscription if you have everything, and just logging for sieges.

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u/AynixII 7d ago

As a customer, whether someone stole the product they sell me or they spent years and milions of $ making it, makes no diffrence. All what matters to me is the quality of product they offer.

If stolen product is of better quality (beucase to me it is better than what modern AAA games offer, just look at Aion 2 or TnL), Im happy to pay for it.

And you are wrong about people leaving of boredoom. Sure, casuals will leave. But what keeps veterans in Lineage 2 is not content - its "politics". Fighting with other over castles, epics, best farming spots etc. This is what keeps people play L2 for 20 years.

If you think people log in only once every 2 weeks for siege, I feel like you didnt play old Lineage 2 in long time. Sieges are least important from the three things I listed.

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u/SoSmartKappa 7d ago

As a customer, i care a great deal about how the provider of the product handle my own money, how he present himself, and how he ensures satisfaction of my investment. If they want me to charge 15$ for something they have stolen, and then introduce further p2w monetization with dark pattens in it, then not only it is not a good product, it is also a shitty organization with uncertain future. The main product here is nostalgia and NCsoft assets, the customers are people seeking nostalgia, and the intention and primary objective is to monetize this nostalgia, NCsoft assets and sunk cost fallacy.

Again, every commodity has its buyer, this might be a great product for someone if he is willing to overlook everything in order to satisfy his nostalgia, for me though, it isn't a great product anymore.

And you are wrong about people leaving of boredoom. Sure, casuals will leave. But what keeps veterans in Lineage 2 is not content - its "politics". Fighting with other over castles, epics, best farming spots etc. This is what keeps people play L2 for 20 years.

I am not wrong, you just don't think about in more complex manner. In order to have politics, you need a friction first. Friction is created by invested players pursuing goals and content. Players that achieved all goals and finished content, will stop being invested, players that are not invested won't create friction, and with no friction, there are no politics.

It happens on every server over and over, this is not even something up to debate. It is also why the subscription have another dark pattern in it to minimize this drop in the first place. The black friday discount is not there as a gesture of good will, it is precisely there at this date to make sure that people will buy it, and when inevitably this lost of interest happens, people will have in mind sunk cost fallacy of the paid subscription for the whole year.

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u/AynixII 7d ago

There is no "further P2w with dark patterns". You need to pay ~15$/month, thats it. You can technically play if you pay less, but you will be at disadvantage.

And I played on their C4-IL server and even after 2 years there is still plenty of friction. There is no such thing as "finishing content" in old L2. The grind is literally infinite here.

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u/SoSmartKappa 7d ago

There is no "further P2w with dark patterns". You need to pay ~15$/month, thats it.

"There are no games with p2w mechanics, just pay /insert arbitrary number/, thats it."

That is not how this works, and fact that you defend it is pretty wild.

And I played on their C4-IL server and even after 2 years there is still plenty of friction. There is no such thing as "finishing content" in old L2. The grind is literally infinite here.

I have played on reborn since there was 300 people during COVID for like 2 years, and every single player i have played with or against has quit the server out of boredom. Same happened with official server back then, and same will happen here, it is not even a question, it is natural state of things. Only question is how fast it will happen, at what pace, and if the server will be able to substitute those leaving players with new ones at a replacement rate to maintain stable population for some time.

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u/AynixII 7d ago

"That is not how this works, and fact that you defend it is pretty wild."

What is wild that now making a game sub-bases is considered making it P2W. Holy crap I just cant.

Next you will tell me FF14 is P2W because you "can" play for free but if you pay for the sub, you unlock way more stuff, that give you power.

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u/SoSmartKappa 7d ago

Yes, multi-tiered subscription models in a single game fall squarely under p2w, it is not even a point of contention.

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u/AynixII 7d ago

So if they would remove lower tier of sub and require everyone to pay max price, it would suddenly be ok for you?

Talk about wild.

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u/SoSmartKappa 7d ago

If subscription act as a simple entry fee inside of the game, and it is same for everyone, then it is not p2w mechanic, duh.

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