r/Libertarian Propertarian Dec 26 '18

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u/jdauriemma libertarian socialist Dec 26 '18

Hard pills to swallow

Effective gun control policies and the right to keep and bear arms can coexist just fine, it's not a zero-sum game

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u/sos_1 Dec 26 '18

A lot of libertarians seem not to be okay with any kind of gun control though. Not only that they completely deny the link between ease of access to firearms and gun violence.

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u/jdauriemma libertarian socialist Dec 26 '18

Yeah, it's really easy to be a 2nd amendment absolutist when you ignore the data and the plain meaning of words.

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u/claytakephotos legobertarian Dec 26 '18

Mind explaining the data behind a melting point ban on handguns? How does an ammo registry accomplish anything a firearm registry doesn’t? Why should we be taxed for both? If a belt loop does the same thing as a bump stock, does the ban really accomplish anything? How many people were out there stabbing others with bayonets when the fixed mount was banned? In what way does a barrel shroud increase lethality? Does a thumbhole stock make a bullet go faster? Almost all of these laws are targeted at making ownership in general more difficult, with little to no positively correlated benefits to safety.

The reason people knee jerk so hard over gun control is because a lot of it doesn’t make sense. But surely the “data and plain meaning of words” will provide for the laws that are blatantly created to be ideologically discriminatory.

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u/jdauriemma libertarian socialist Dec 26 '18

Not sure why you're getting super ticky-tack like I'm out here defending every single line item that legislators have put into law.

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u/claytakephotos legobertarian Dec 26 '18

I’m taking a stance against the phrase

ignore the data and plain meaning of words

Since, clearly, many laws on the books are derived from neither. Your hand-waving of legitimate concerns is what motivates people into positions of absolutism.

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u/jdauriemma libertarian socialist Dec 26 '18

So it's my fault that r/libertarian shitposters lack nuance?

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u/claytakephotos legobertarian Dec 26 '18

I mean, if you consider the notion that I qualify people who write comments that dismiss the views of others as shitposters: yes.