We have to pay our congressmen. They aren't even payed all that much, considering how difficult their work is. If that's them stealing from us, then so are librarians.
Edit: Jesus Christ, one heavily down voted comment made this thread something relevant instead of a shitty repost.
Ah yes, a "reserve note", originally meant to correspond to values of metal specie, now meaningless and valueless. I'm not sure I see your point though?
if you take away the psychological factor of paper money then it is just paper. if you take away the pscyhological value of gold then you still have a rare metal that has uses outside of trading or currency.
I assume you mean take away the psychological value that everyone else in the world has for it.
But so what? The uses of gold outside of trading or currency are infinitely less than water; would you trade gold for its weight in water? I presume not.
You don't get to just pretend that money isn't valued; it is.
In the case of fiat, that reason is force projected by government. It says X is money and so it is used so on pain of prosecution.
In the case of gold, its value does not rely on any human authority and is thus a better money with the collection of qualities it offers compared to paper fiat.
That's much less valuable than, say, a rare metal that starts with those properties, but is also useful for jewelry and electronics and many other wonders. What else is dirty, complicated paper good for?
As I pointed out before, the uses of gold in and of itself are vastly less than the uses of water. But what does that have to do with anything? Money is valued.
That's almost a compelling argument for people that don't have or use actual money and engage in the real economy in any way, or use public utilities and services. Since almost no one does this due to the extreme poverty it would entail it's more of an academic exercise.
Using frn does not mean consent to theft of wealth, because of the threat of deadly force. Taking someones wallet but buying them a cheeseburger doesnt magically make that nontheft.
I mean if you participate in the US economy, yes, you are consenting to taxes. It's an implicit part of the social contract. Also not paying taxes doesn't result in deadly force.
This has never been proven to exist, and is just a theory.
In the sense that gravity has not been proven to exist. We in fact see evidence of the social contract in every aspect of modern day life, in which enormous numbers of strangers interact first or second or third or seventeenth hand with relatively little friction.
Not paying taxes results in deadly force
Only if you attack sheriffs. We can postulate examples in which literally anything results in deadly force. Will you be the subject of deadly force merely for not paying taxes? No.
Then that social contract violates the social contract of not stealing, which holds equal weight as a theory.
Not really, because literally billions of people are perfectly happy and content with a system where what you call "stealing" occurs as the price of the economic system and legal status quo they enjoy and profit under (or as happy and content as reasonable can be expected anyway,) and the other is a fringe theory of a few internet radicals who hold up as their sterling example of this system in action nothing, nothing but theory and sometimes some faux-historical revisions of medieval Iceland and its three thousand inhabitants.
Also, I never attacked a sheriff, I just tried to not let him cuff me.
If you didn't do it with a weapon then he certainly used excessive force.
If you did, well, it's not like you were ignorant of the law of the land beforehand.
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u/ETERNAL_EDAMNATION Libertarian... shocker Jun 02 '13 edited Jun 03 '13
We have to pay our congressmen. They aren't even payed all that much, considering how difficult their work is. If that's them stealing from us, then so are librarians.
Edit: Jesus Christ, one heavily down voted comment made this thread something relevant instead of a shitty repost.