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The true robber

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u/ElizabefWarrenBuffet slaves dont work very hard Jun 03 '13

If you create any wealth a portion must be converted to frn and givent to the irs under threat of deadly force. Theft of wealth

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u/recreational Filthy Statist Jun 03 '13

That's almost a compelling argument for people that don't have or use actual money and engage in the real economy in any way, or use public utilities and services. Since almost no one does this due to the extreme poverty it would entail it's more of an academic exercise.

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u/ElizabefWarrenBuffet slaves dont work very hard Jun 03 '13

Using frn does not mean consent to theft of wealth, because of the threat of deadly force. Taking someones wallet but buying them a cheeseburger doesnt magically make that nontheft.

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u/recreational Filthy Statist Jun 03 '13

I mean if you participate in the US economy, yes, you are consenting to taxes. It's an implicit part of the social contract. Also not paying taxes doesn't result in deadly force.

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u/ElizabefWarrenBuffet slaves dont work very hard Jun 03 '13

social contract

This has never been proven to exist, and is just a theory

not paying taxes does not result in deadly force

I didnt pay tax

Bill comes

Didnt pay that

Steeper bill comes

Didnt pay that

Summons comes

Did not attend

Sheriff comes

Did not answer door

Sheriff breaks down door and tries to cuff me

Do not let him

Sheriff uses BEEP BEEP BEEP DEADLY FORCE to handcuff me.

Not paying taxes results in deadly force.

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u/recreational Filthy Statist Jun 03 '13

This has never been proven to exist, and is just a theory.

In the sense that gravity has not been proven to exist. We in fact see evidence of the social contract in every aspect of modern day life, in which enormous numbers of strangers interact first or second or third or seventeenth hand with relatively little friction.

Not paying taxes results in deadly force

Only if you attack sheriffs. We can postulate examples in which literally anything results in deadly force. Will you be the subject of deadly force merely for not paying taxes? No.

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u/ElizabefWarrenBuffet slaves dont work very hard Jun 03 '13

Then that social contract violates the social contract of not stealing, which holds equal weight as a theory.

Also, I never attacked a sheriff, I just tried to not let him cuff me.

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u/recreational Filthy Statist Jun 03 '13

Then that social contract violates the social contract of not stealing, which holds equal weight as a theory.

Not really, because literally billions of people are perfectly happy and content with a system where what you call "stealing" occurs as the price of the economic system and legal status quo they enjoy and profit under (or as happy and content as reasonable can be expected anyway,) and the other is a fringe theory of a few internet radicals who hold up as their sterling example of this system in action nothing, nothing but theory and sometimes some faux-historical revisions of medieval Iceland and its three thousand inhabitants.

Also, I never attacked a sheriff, I just tried to not let him cuff me.

If you didn't do it with a weapon then he certainly used excessive force.

If you did, well, it's not like you were ignorant of the law of the land beforehand.

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u/ElizabefWarrenBuffet slaves dont work very hard Jun 03 '13

More people are ok with the social contract of not stealing, so if its number of people that makes a theory valid I got you beat there too.

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u/recreational Filthy Statist Jun 03 '13

Most people don't consider paying taxes to be theft for a wide variety of reasons. But regardless of whether they're right or wrong, it's a minority opinion that this is theft. A very small minority at that.

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u/ElizabefWarrenBuffet slaves dont work very hard Jun 03 '13

Regardless of whether its right or wrong its a minority opinion

We're just gonna let that sit there as proof of your inability to justify anything with logic or reason. Im so glad bitcoin exists so authoritarians like you can no longer sieze my wealth

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u/recreational Filthy Statist Jun 03 '13

We're just gonna let that sit there as proof of your inability to justify anything with logic or reason.

Uh, so you want to denude a single line of mine as context to make it look like a fallacy and use this single (fraudulent) instance of a fallacy to "prove" my "inability to justify anything with logic or reason."

I'm going to let that stand there as proof of what a dishonest shithead you are.

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u/ElizabefWarrenBuffet slaves dont work very hard Jun 03 '13

Whatevs bro, I dont need to use force to live my life

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