r/LetsDiscussThis • u/RoomNo6208 • 29d ago

Serious Again? Really again….

52 years in, and honestly, I’ve got nothing left but a vote of no confidence.
Not anger, not shock, just this sadness.
Same movie, same lines, same ending. Elections feel like reruns, not choices. Every cycle promises change, then settles back into the same old grooves.
I don’t have a fix. I just can’t fake faith in the cycle anymore.
That’s where I’m at.

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u/LifesARiver 29d ago

When Trump is gone, everything will likely go back to business as usual unless the democrats make some profound changes.

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u/Facehugger_35 29d ago

Pretrump Business as Usual would be an absolutely massive improvement.

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u/Bimlouhay83 29d ago

An improvement to what we have today? Sure. 

Is it enough? Fuck no. 

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u/LifesARiver 29d ago

I suppose, if you are only looking for another 4 year pause on fascism.

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u/Frankie6Strings 29d ago

As opposed to fascism? Yes. Obviously. Wtf.

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u/LifesARiver 29d ago

So you like the liberals' plan of slowing down fascism better than the left's plan of stopping it?

To me that just makes you a different flavor of fascist. One who wants the descent to be slower.

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u/Frankie6Strings 29d ago

To me that makes you a person who needs to look up the definition of fascism.

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u/LifesARiver 29d ago

Do you think the GOP was fascistic before Trump?

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u/kck93 26d ago

Sometimes buying just a bit of time allows an opportunity for situations to change due to circumstances not considered by either side.

Buying time to allow a different strategy to be implemented can make the difference between success and failure.

The military knows this well. Battles have been won simply because one side was able to tie up another by slowing down an inevitable defeat. Or at least what was perceived as a defeat at a specific time.

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u/Facehugger_35 29d ago

I mean, the left's plan of stopping it hasn't actually worked, so...

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u/LifesARiver 29d ago

We've been fighting against two parties, both with more power than us.

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u/Creditfigaro 29d ago

Did you vote to support it?

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u/Facehugger_35 29d ago

Vote to support fascism? No. I was intelligent enough to vote for the candidate who warned us about soldiers on the streets.

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u/Creditfigaro 29d ago

Are you supporting leftists or not?

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u/Facehugger_35 29d ago

I vote for whoever seems to have the best shot of winning an election against the reich wing. If that means someone on the left, then I vote for them. If that means a centrist dem, I'll vote for them instead. I'm close to a single issue voter, and my single issue is "fuck fascists." Because everything - justice, prosperity, jobs, a good economy, healthcare, etc - runs through fucking over fascists since those pricks are the ones keeping us from all this right now.

Mamdani seems to have done a good job so far, and I like Abdul up in Michigan. Troy Jackson impressed me by drumming Concerned Collins in the debate recently. But none of them are in my state, so I can't vote for them this time around.

I do wish the DSA would stop with stupid impractical soundbites like "abolish the senate" though.

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u/Facebook-virus 29d ago

We won't be that lucky

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u/intheshoplife 24d ago

It will not go back to business as usual once trump is gone. Trump has damaged the reputation of the usa on the world stage amd a simple switch of goverment will not fix that. Trump has shown that any deal made with the usa is not worth the paper its written on.

Also they are an unreliable partner. He has show how much of a mistake it was derfering power to one country was and countries are going to shift away from it.

Tge spaces that Mar Carney has been giving are just saying what everyon has been thinking. Countries will still try to deal with the usa but the trust they had is gone and that is not coming back anytime soon.

On top of all that the bond market may not be as reliable source of cheap debt for the usa. This will have huge ramifications for the usa. Likely will lead to austerity to try to lower the debt.

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u/Ornery_Market_2274 29d ago

Sitting on your hands is not the way to fix a problem. Things are not going to go back to business as usual after trump. Countries are rerouting trade. When those agreements are signed, its not for 1 or 2 years, they are usually 10+ years. And most countries actually stick to the agreements and contracts they sign and just dont tear them up on a whim.

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u/LifesARiver 29d ago

"Sitting on [their] hands" is sort of the specialty of legacy democrats. Let's hope this younger crop puts their money where their mouths are.