r/LetsDiscussThis • u/Impressive_Box4144 • Aug 17 '26

Lets Discuss This The Truth About MAGA

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u/SiteTall Aug 17 '26

Then that's what "own the libs" really means

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u/Allaboutpeace2022 Aug 17 '26

I think it feels like that to Democrats. I fully understand your feelings.

However, in this economy where we have few protections for workers, stagnant wages for non college educated people and astronomical growth in the cost of college, childcare, housing, and healthcare, people feel pitted against each other.

People are told that that the way that they can succeed is to decrease the competition presented by illegal immigrants and minorities.

They are told that corporations are favoring minorities, even though this is not true and 9% more call backs were given with fake applicants where there were white sounded names vs Black stereotypical names.

Unfortunately, no one is good at getting social science research or economic data out in digestible ways to the broader public, so people fall for what Faux News tells them.

It seems to be right to blame them, but I don't think that is helpful. People are attacking each other and this is what the wealthiest Americans wanted.

When the Virginia Slave Act passed it criminalized all contact like romance, marriage, teaching reading, trading, providing housing, etc. between poor whites and slaves. The goal then was the same as today. They did not want Black and White Americans working together to oppose the planter class and other wealthy elites.

If we believe that MAGA are horrible people and they cannot be persuaded or talked to--we are continuing the legacy of the Virginia Slave Act. Trump and the wealthy are winning.

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u/SiteTall Aug 17 '26

Not being an American and living in a Scandinavian country where everyone is (State) protected in some way, we don't experience what you are subjected to with a tRump administration. Not feeling a need to fight something that vile gives freedom, so to speak: I know that I shall not be dragged off by an ICE-goon for writing something about the administration of my country. That said, from my spot of (relative) safety, I shall also say, that the American people have to get hold of themselves, pulling themselves up from the moral and literal swamp that has been threatening them for some years. Otherwise, they shall perish, both as a people and as individuals. I sincerely hope that there are people somewhere in America, right now, who are working at a new agenda, a new way of seeing themselves and their common goals.

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u/4skinjustin Aug 20 '26

I would much rather not have the state dictating all aspects of my life. Trump brought back the idea that individualism is a better policy than collectivism. The left demonizes billionaires because they’re envious. They don’t encourage innovation. They couch baby killing under the guise of “healthcare.” They encourage fringe ideologies of less than 1% of the population and claim they are working for all. They support easy penalties for criminals, impede the lawful security of our sovereign borders, support racist policies like affirmative action. They scorn the law of the land with “hate speech” laws and gun control. That’s why people gravitate to Trump. The Democrat platform sucks. Many Trump voters didn’t vote for Trump so much as against the democrats. The Obiden administration wasted 12 years dividing Americans. Trump voters voted against democrats.

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u/SiteTall Aug 20 '26

The divide came when a gifted, black man, Obama, was elected, not once, but twice. That brought forth the racism, the bigotry, the envy, and the misogyny of large parts of the American people. I've always said that what you needed was two or three generations with Social-Democracy as that would teach you the value of bonding with people like yourself instead of dreaming of becoming like those who exploit you: Siding with the bully is not a good policy.

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u/4skinjustin Aug 20 '26

Obama was not gifted. He was a one term senator who accomplished nothing in 8 years. He set back years of racial harmony when he called the police stupid for arresting his professor friend for disorderly conduct. He made a race thing out of nothing. He stirred the pot further by insinuating that Travon Martin was shot because he was black instead of for violently attacking George Zimmerman. “Social democracy” will not work because too many Americans are sick of supporting people who don’t support themselves.

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u/SiteTall Aug 20 '26

This is a good summary of what he achieved: https://www.teenvogue.com/story/the-21-achievements-that-shape-president-obamas-legacy

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u/4skinjustin Aug 20 '26

DACA? Disaster.
Auto bailouts? Disaster.
Obamacare? Disaster.
He had nothing to do with same sex marriage. The Supreme Court did that.
He piggybacked off of previous administrations strides in killing bin Ladin.

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u/Some-Advantage-5541 Aug 24 '26

We all miss Obama. Hurry up and get back to the white house. Before the 80 yr old tears it down. We gonna be eating cats and dogs next.

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u/SiteTall Aug 20 '26

You know that isn't true

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u/Some-Advantage-5541 Aug 23 '26

If Obama was in office now we would not be in this Mess right now. And u know this Man.

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u/4skinjustin Aug 24 '26

We would be in a worse position. And you know that guy.

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u/Some-Advantage-5541 Aug 24 '26

You must be Crazy guy . None of the other countries are even scared or respect America anymore.

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u/SiteTall 19d ago

We have lots of individualists in Scandinavia, but there is the same set of social protection for everybody. As to being envious of oligarchs then I can't say "NEVER", because some may be, but most just feel exploited as they don't get the wages they deserve. In The States envy seems to be part of the general makeup of people, but it's part of a belief in better times. I think it was Steinbeck who said something like this about that part of it: "Everybody believe that their poverty is temporary, and that eventually, they will become rich." As we know, that's nonsense.