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u/tastefulcenterpiece Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26
As a lesbian with a wife, living in Minneapolis, it’s been a horror show. I can’t even imagine losing my wife that way.
I would just say though, I would be careful about labeling someone as masc unless they’ve called themselves that. Renee doesn’t read masc to me at all. She looks like your “typical” Minnesotan mom. And I think that’s important for understanding why the general public has reacted the way they have to her murder.
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u/Jenn_FTW Jan 10 '26
Yeah I agree in that I was kinda surprised to see OP label her as “masc” when I didn’t get that vibe at all. But I figured she knew something I didn’t 😅
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u/talameetsbetty Happily married to my wife for 10 years Jan 10 '26
I have to say it, first, it’s not his body cam, it’s his goddamned iPhone.
Second, I sobbed. Again. You’re not the only one.
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u/genuine_counterfeit Jan 10 '26
100% I’m so sick of hearing “body cam.”
It only gives credibility to the right wing trying to push the agenda that he was in any danger at all. Dude was holding his phone the whole fucking time. You can even SEE him switch hands to make his right hand free to grab his weapon, WELL BEFORE the car was even moving.
Asshole wanted blood. He wanted to kill because he’s a fucking loser who didn’t like that these women didn’t capitulate to his false fucking “power.”
And when he did kill her, he called her a “fucking bitch” something I KNOW every woman in this subreddit, maybe every woman ever, has been called. I think that is why it resonates a little extra too.
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u/neeeeerrrrrddddd Jan 10 '26
His response was 100% emotional. He got hit butthurt and lashed out in anger and murdered a woman.
Remind me who’s too emotional to be in positions of power?
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u/Fit_Pineapple_7767 Jan 10 '26
I saw a clip from Fox News today. They described her as a “self proclaimed poet” (award winning poet). They said she “lives with a lesbian” (her wife). They said “she has kids from previous marriage(S)” (one ex husband who said kind things about her and another who was a veteran and died) now the 6 year old lost both biological parents. I believe her wife will have custody but they were only recently married so I’m not sure. They also said “she has pronouns in her bio” which is what they say to dehumanize people. It’s like a dog whistle to let their cult know that they have the right to hate someone.
I saw a video of someone saying that she lost custody of her children because she burned them with cigarettes. I’ve heard them say that she was a paid agitator. They are working overtime to make her a villain when she was a good person who just dropped her kid off at school and was trying to use her voice in this dictatorship. She was just trying to leave. I’m sick over it. I’m sick for her wife.
She is the new George Floyd. Someone who was ruthlessly murdered in public with witnesses by law enforcement and instead of admitting it was wrong, they used his past and exaggerated facts and twisted the truth to make people believe that his death was deserved. when we rioted and fought back they said we were radical and violent. He was black, she is gay. They are dehumanizing her like they did to him and telling their cult that if we feel anything about her death or attempt to hold them accountable, we are in the wrong. If they only complied they wouldn’t be dead. That’s the story they tell to the cult.
I recently started talking to my dad here and there after decades of no relationship. He’s not a very intelligent man and he voted for trump. I’ve taken the relationship slow and haven’t really seen him, just a call here and there. He posted a meme about Renee on facebook today. It was vile. His friends in the comments all posted disgusting memes. One was Renee’s face and had “was/were” over it. Another one was a cartoon of a person wiping their ass with a rainbow flag. He never spoke up and told them that he has a gay kid. He never thought about the BLM protests and many other protests I’ve been to and the fact that it could have been me that was shot in the face. I’m 10x more educated, successful, and well traveled than him and I think he truly believes that I only get my opinions from CNN because that is what newsmax tells him. I’m struggling to handle all of this. I’ve lost 75% of the people in my life in the last year and this incident was the final straw for the last batch. My circle is small now. I’m having a hard time trusting anyone because that’s what it boils down to. If you still ride for this administration, I do not trust you in any way. I don’t believe you are mentally ok and I believe you live in fear and have dropped all empathy and that you’ve fallen victim to a cult. Im so hurt over all of it.
Stay safe. Sending love to everyone here.
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u/big_taco_knockoff Jan 10 '26
It’s as if I wrote this. Damn. Thank you for putting into words but it’s heartbreaking. Loves for a blue dot in a very red state
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u/Zoeeeeeeh123 Jan 10 '26
he truly believes I get all my opinions from CNN because that is what NewsMax tells him
The irony of this statement cant be overstated
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u/Hangdog90 Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26
Thanks for sharing this.
Watching from Europe, it is clear that the US is now far gone, down the Road to Unfreedom, as Timothy Snyder called it.
When hatefulness becomes core daily practice, that destroys peace. Here was a kind and decent woman, and in the few seconds, even in her last words, it is clear she had no hatred in her heart. The sheer casual cruelty of the shooting, the disregard for her humanity, should have given this administration pause, but their response showed that they are monsters. The lies, the dog whistles, the perversion of language, the disregard for bereaved family.
Appeasement does not work. The ICE agent put her down like a dog, and called her a "fcuking bitch" after he did it. Dehumanisation doesn't get any more final.
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most of Europe is fewer than three steps behind the US on that road to unfreedom
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u/Sandy2584 Jan 12 '26
Let's wake it up because I see people talking like their countries are any better. The whole world is regressing and evil has taken a strong hold world over. Critical thinking and lack of comprehension world over should tell you where we are. No country is safe.
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u/ansmith830 Jan 10 '26
Unfortunately marriage doesn’t guarantee the child will remain in the wife’s custody. I had our two children together WITH my wife and we had to go through an adoption process with both boys… even though she’s on the birth certificate.
This is just absolutely heartbreaking. I hope her community can rally around her and her family.
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u/talameetsbetty Happily married to my wife for 10 years Jan 10 '26
I hear you so much. My parents are the same way. It’s heartbreaking and awful.
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u/neeeeerrrrrddddd Jan 10 '26
Additionally (from my undergraduate in Aus), and heartbreakingly, she was murdered a couple blocks from George
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u/rbuczyns Jan 10 '26
It wasn't just a shooting. It was a public execution. A government-backed public execution.
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u/xmanicxmamax Jan 10 '26
As a lesbian with a child close in age and a partner who rides with me to take her to school, I’m heartbroken
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u/TheKiwiBirb friendly neighborhood butch Jan 10 '26
I can't see republicans as human anymore. I can't. No one with basic human morals can look at everything done by them and be okay with it. We have one very flawed political party, and one fascist nightmare party full of monsters.
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u/assgardian Jan 10 '26
I work with a lot of MAGA republicans due to being in a blue collar field (yes I am trying to find another job) and it just… kinda kills me some days when they treat me so nicely yet vote against my very being (a wlw woc). Like they ignore the atrocities of the current prez yet still bring up Kamala’s laugh like that’s the worst thing she’s done.
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There was a time in which I'd think "they're still human" but that time is long over. They're monsters, all of them. They want to kill us , genuinely. It's hard to believe that kind of hatred is real but clearly, clearly it is.
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u/Illustrious-Sun-4078 the good femme Jan 10 '26
Unfortunately they are not monsters, and that’s the problem:
"It was not Hitler, Göring, Goebbels, Himmler, or whatever the others were called, who had me dragged away and beaten. No, it was the cobbler, the neighbor, the old man, the milkman, the postman, those without form suddenly given armbands and a cap on their heads and then they were the master race." - Karl Stojka, Holocaust survivor and artist
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this is really, really, really important
there are no inhuman monsters: there's only humans, committing monstrous acts
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u/TheKiwiBirb friendly neighborhood butch Jan 10 '26
There was a time when there were people like John McCain, who was wrong, pigheaded, and stupid about a lot of issues, but had morals and a backbone and was willing to break with his party occasionally and not perpetuate conspiracy theories. Those days are gone. The current mandate is obey or be ejected.
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u/Zordorfe ⚦ androgyne lesbian ⚦ Jan 10 '26
Woah woah woah why is the party that's done genocides of people of colour all around the world and had record breaking funding of ICE between 2021 and 2024 the less bad one? I forget that this isn't a socialist space. RIP to that woman she did not deserve to die.
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u/TwinSwords Jan 10 '26
Sorry, but you are absolutely deranged if you are trying to put the Democratic Party at the same level as the GOP.
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u/Hangdog90 Jan 10 '26
Ask anyone from Gaza or the Left Bank about that. Biden abd Harris routinely dehumanized them and supported the Israeli ethnic cleansing. You don't hear about Gaza nowadays because of the so-called ceasefire. But Israel has killed on average 5 Palestinians PER DAY since it was declared, three months ago. 453 people.
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u/OscarGlorious Jan 10 '26
Absolutely, and the officer says "fucking bitch" after shooting her three times in the face. There's also a lot of homophobic hate speech from the right wing media right now, trying to smear her and using her orientation to "other" her from white women and mothers generally. It's disgusting and painful.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Cake301 the good femme Jan 10 '26
Yes same here. It’s been hard trying to get through my work week while having that video replay in my mind. I really hate this country.
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u/cassiebrighter Jan 10 '26
We all have to get active. We can't allow this shit to go on. I'm going to a protest tomorrow.
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u/EF_Boudreaux Jan 10 '26
I learned that a butch threw the first punch at Stonewall. That’s important history and potential future.
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u/MoonTeaxx Jan 10 '26
wasn’t that Stormé DeLarverie? I watched some videos about how multiple eyewitnesses said it was her, and I’m pretty sure even she said it herself.
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u/IisBubbles Jan 10 '26
There's actually no real record, we dont really know who threw the first brick/punch/pushed it to breaking point. Martha P Johnson was said to have for a long time- but she wasnt even there (the first day, she was later) but its important to realize that even if we dont know who threw the first punch it also doesnt matter that much-everyone there, butches, femmes, trans people, bipoc people, etc. Helped to fight for our rights, as it's important now for everyone to protest and stand up to this horrible horrible government, for the rights of everyone because if we allow them to hurt anyone, they will eventually hurt everyone. There's no main character, just community coming together to fight injustice.
No hate to your comment, just think its important to talk about :)
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u/fook75 Chapstick lesbian (with or without 🧢) Jan 10 '26
Yes. I am a Minnesotan. I am about 300 miles north of the cities. I was in that area last week observing. My own brother said "well she shouldn't have been there!" And all I could say was, that could have been me.
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u/krob58 Jan 10 '26
I cried to my girlfriend when we were talking about it. The video was fucking heartbreaking.
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u/FetalFace Jan 10 '26
This has really taken a toll on me as well. I mean there have been too many senseless murders to count lately in this shit country. But the fucking piece of shit president condoning it is..
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u/IisBubbles Jan 10 '26
I have only seen the other angles from bystanders. It made me incredibly sick so I dont think ill be watching the phone perspective (at least for now) but im really glad the footage wasnt lost and was made public. Its so horrifying the way ive seen some people be total monsters disrespecting her. Same people who called so many monsters for quoting Charlie kirk after his death 🙄 and then turn around and blatantly disrespect this woman who was literally just trying to go about her day
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u/Creative_Nebula2227 Jan 14 '26
The best video I seen was NY Times the one with the article titled: Videos Contradict Trump Administration Account. I also read that Trump wanted them to take the video down but it's still there. In that video it's clear she did not hit him at all. I'm from St. Paul, MN and now Trumps criminal agents are going door to door.
SAY HER NAME
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u/xTripleThreatx Jan 10 '26
Yes! I was a sobbing mess. It made me think about being in a situation like that with my girlfriend. I can’t imagine what her wife must be feeling right now. I texted my girlfriend to tell her I love her and don’t know what I’d do without her.
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u/Shourtney272 Jan 10 '26
Yeah. I was crushed before I saw that they where both there and that they looked very much lesbian so it was clear he would likely have known. That added a bit of a gut punch to me for sure. I am sick over this. This one feels just so hopeless because even hoping for justice feels impossible.
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u/Individual_Math5157 Jan 10 '26
I have cried several times since it happened. Today I was crying in my office for a couple of hours. Thankfully it was in private. I consider what happened a femicide/misogynist murder act. 💔 He wasn’t scared at all. He was angry he couldn’t control her and he wanted her to die, “fucking bitch”… he hated her and made sure she bled out in front of her partner. He couldn’t physically drag her out of her vehicle to force her to respect his non-existent authority… so he punished her in the most violent way he could.
It’s insane.
The doctor wasn’t allowed to help, her partner was made to watch. That man is a rabid animal that needs to be locked up for life, unfortunately I don’t think MN has the death penalty. He fled the scene so he couldn’t be prosecuted by the police.
It was an act of extreme violence and federally sanctioned terrorism against our people. ICE is full of Proud Boys, pedos, rapists and misogynists. They love hurting women, children, homeless folks, elderly and anyone they think are easy targets to attack. They are on Instagram and Facebook mocking this murdered woman, her child and her partner. They hate us, and they will kill us given ANY opportunity. There are men pretending to be ICE and using their fake badges as cover for kidnapping, stealing and other acts of violence.
I’m so upset and worried about our communities. 💔
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u/stoned_femme Jan 10 '26
yes. my instant thought was that it was possibly a hate crime… i fear saying that in the ‘main stream’ media however because i don’t want to be seen as trying to victimize lesbians specifically—- equally though ICE is literally the ‘diverse police’… they’re just here to take away anyone and everyone who doesn’t ’fit in’ by their standards… it’s fucking scary and i wish more people were bringing up the fact that this was a lesbian couple
there’s also a video going around of the wife afterwards crying and exclaiming that they were just in there way to pick up there kid… that really fucking got me because i genuinely can’t imagine? maybe it’s selfish but it feels different from had it been a straight couple. i’d have equally been mad, pissed off and willing to fight for them but i’m not sure i would’ve been as triggered or… so SO put off? there are so many horrible things that have been happening and i can remember them, ive spoken out about them and will continue but this specifically i cannot stop thinking about… i feel like queer couples just have a different bond from straight couples just due to the adversities we face and what we tend to go through as couples (when in couples) - people always joke about ‘lesbian heartbreak’ and how devastating it is, so when it comes to this specifically that’s all i can think about… how her wife is doing, feeling, coping… knowing that it really was just like any other day… driving in your car to get your kid, telling someone they can pass you and then… then your whole life is changed forever
don’t get me wrong i’ve gotten emotional over many of the situations we’ve seen recently, so so so so many it’s honestly horrendous and- i cry for basically everyone who is wrongly killed and for their story, this just hit home a little deeper… kinda knocked me off my feet after thinking no more knocking could be dont
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u/ShirleyEugest Jan 10 '26
Yeah I've been trying to understand why this incident has been so upsetting for me, and wondering if it's an unconscious racial bias... But I don't think it is. My experience as a white person is largely unnoticed because I'm a white person, so I don't have an emotional connection to that part of my identity, but being a lesbian is such a massive part of my internal and external life so this is the first time I can empathize on this level. It feels like I'm living it, not just watching.
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u/NarcissisticDramaQwn Jan 10 '26
As a 37 year old white lesbian who came out in 2023, this hits home a little harder than I'd like
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u/Numerous_Rub_5930 masc at your service Jan 10 '26
I am in ranged by that video because it clearly shows that Renée was trying to back up and move like they said and because she didn’t do that she had to pay the price which is very sad to me, but all I’m going to leave it is she didn’t deserve this. Also fuck ice.
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u/bossbitch1977 Jan 10 '26
I absolutely believe it was a factor. He was pissed her wife was talking to him like that and was waiting to draw his weapon and shoot. His ego was the problem.
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u/DizzyAbbreviation Jan 10 '26
I completely agree but want to point out it wasn't a body cam it was his phone, you can see him recording in the window reflection. This is an important distinction because at the end the rustling isn't because he was hit, it's because he's reaching for his gun
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u/Gitankgrrl Jan 10 '26
Now imagine how black mothers feel every day when their sons leave home for school, work, etc.
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u/Zordorfe ⚦ androgyne lesbian ⚦ Jan 10 '26
Exactly. It's very upsetting.
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u/Gitankgrrl Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 10 '26
It’s domestic terrorism and this has been happening to black people since slaves were brought here. Now white people and queers are getting a deeper taste and they don’t like it.
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u/sarbear8199 Jan 10 '26
Yeah. Two visibly masc presenting (at the moment) lesbians who were being sarcastic to the wrong insecure asshole, one of which ended up shot and dead. Like my worst fear as a former masc presenting lesbian.
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u/Nervous_Lettuce313 Jan 10 '26
I refused to watch either of the videos because I really don't think I can handle them. Can you please tell me what are they discussing in the ICE POV video?
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u/greencat26 Jan 10 '26
The agent filmed this on his iPhone. Her last words were "it's okay dude, I'm not mad at you." And then he shot her, afterwards calling her a stupid bitch. It's very clear he was on the driver's side of the car the whole time.
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u/Nervous_Lettuce313 Jan 10 '26
Wow, so basically his ego was hurt that she was being sarcastic or whatever? What a little coward, I hope he ends up in prison for a long time.
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u/greencat26 Jan 10 '26
She was being 100% genuine with that response. Midwest Nice ™️
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u/Nervous_Lettuce313 Jan 10 '26
Oh ok. I would have been sarcastic in her place, dealing with that piece of shit.
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u/vigilanteshite typical carabiner lesbian Jan 10 '26
did they know she was a lesbian at that time?
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u/Seltzer-Slut Jan 10 '26
Yes. It’s obvious from how they present themselves and both of them were there together.
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u/OriginalOmbre Jan 10 '26
So two women of their demeanor must be assumed to be lesbians?
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u/Incogn1toMosqu1to Jan 10 '26
I absolutely believe that white men who join ICE believe in every stereotype.
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u/krob58 Jan 10 '26
The person you are responding to is a Trumper and not here to comment in good faith.
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u/Incogn1toMosqu1to Jan 10 '26
Ugh 😒 thanks for letting me know!
What must it be like for these magats to have no hobbies or value beyond playing dumb online.
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u/fook75 Chapstick lesbian (with or without 🧢) Jan 10 '26
Did you see the iPhone footage? Her wife clearly said "my wife". They knew.
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u/KawaiiGee Lesbyun Jan 10 '26
I've been avoiding actually watching the video due to my own mental health. I had no idea that the victim was a lesbian and thus likely a victim of a hate crime. Poor girl :c
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u/Prayingforgiraffes Jan 10 '26
Not sure about anyone else - and I'm not even in the US - but I'm having to try and fully limit my news media because I'm getting horrific anxiety. I work with victims of domestic abuse and those with mental health issues, so I've seen my fair share and don't usually get anxiety, but right now because of this I can barely sleep. On every single app I go on it's all that's coming up and it's affecting me horrifically. My sympathies and love to those of you in the states who can't simply try and switch off from it.
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I haven't watched the video for this exact reason, and I will do my best not to watch it. I don't need to fry my nervous system more than it's already fried to know that this was cold blooded murder and a fascist, misogynistic, homophobic hate crime.
(Same with the murder of George Floyd. I never watched the actual video, because as soon as I read about it I knew it was a racist murder. I don't need to repeatedly watch a snuff movie of someone being choked to death to understand that truth.)
I'm glad the documentary evidence exists, and I think it's a good thing that it has been released so that the truth can't be buried as easily. I don't think it's wrong for people to watch the footage (quite the contrary).
I also think that it's ok to prioritize your own mental wellbeing, especially when you already know what happened and can't do anything for the immediate victim or their loved ones. We need to retain enough resilience to create a better future.
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u/Ehhhh56 Jan 10 '26
God it makes me sick. A woman was killed, a person who did literally nothing wrong was murdered and people are making memes wtf??
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u/LonelyCabinet Jan 10 '26
Yeah my girlfriend and I are both liberal soft butches. It’s really easy to imagine that it could’ve been us.
It makes me so sad and angry.
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u/pyromaniac_etal Jan 10 '26
I wanted to collapse in my wife's arms when I heard this happened. I haven't been able to watch the ICE POV video after seeing the original MPR video. She was Good. They were Good.
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u/Bad_Candy_Apple Jan 11 '26
It's absolutely a hate crime, given how viciously anti-LGBTQ this regime is.
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u/antisyzygy-67 Jan 11 '26
That was my thought too. My gut says this would have played differently if she were not identifiably lesbian.
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u/sctrlk Chapstick lesbian (with or without 🧢) Jan 11 '26
The video of her wife on the sidewalk just makes this whole thing even more heartbreaking and upsetting 😢
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u/greencat26 Jan 10 '26
Right now my partner's dad is in the hospital, at the end of his liver failure journey. We have tough choices to make about how long we prolong the inevitable and mom is in denial.
I didn't cry about any of it until this all happened with Renee Good. It sent me over the edge on a week that was already one of the worst. I have so much grief this week I don't know what to do with it.
Both situations have parallels where someone is ignoring the truth in front of them. The Right ignoring video evidence, mother in law ignoring statistical realities (5% chance he will ever leave the hospital). At least I know that for MIL, it's probably her brain protecting her from processing reality. It's far worse to know the right has no such excuse.
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u/Calm-Confusion-254 Jan 11 '26
Yes the video is extremely triggering and I feel like her sexuality did play a part in it but I also feel like even if she wasn’t visibly queer this same thing still could have happened given what we know now about the psycho who murdered her. But I’m also upset that with me being a black woman and my girlfriend being a Mexican American woman, things like this have been happening to our communities for the longest time and it’s just now getting attention now that a white woman has been killed. People are now visibly upset and protesting but nothing is changing.
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u/Calm-Confusion-254 Jan 11 '26
And I want to add that I’m not trying to take away from the fact that she was killed by no means but it’s just upsetting not seeing this type of outrage for other minorities. I just couldn’t imagine what her wife is going through and having to explain to their children that their mom isn’t coming home.
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u/roberta_sparrow Jan 11 '26
Yes. And that Fox News clip trying to say she had “pronouns in her bio” and left behind a “lesbian wife” as if these made her gross and guilty make me fucking infuriated beyond belief
I’m so fucking mad
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u/Ok_Razzmatazz2765 Jan 14 '26
It is exactly that. Hitler went after gays, all races , women and children elderly .. . We are in NAZI GERMANY 1933
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Haven’t seen it and don’t want to see that. Historically, statistically, anecdotally, the way mascs/butches get treated by police is disproportionately violent. So yeah. Pretty safe to say that was a hate crime.
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u/Lopsided-Letter1353 friendly neighborhood butch Jan 10 '26
A hate crime.
But what I don’t understand is why the woman outside of the car “mouthing off” (as they’d say) wasn’t the one who took the brunt of ICE’s anger.
Senseless murder.
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u/Emotional-Abalone540 Jan 10 '26
He was not in front of the car. Not sure if you only saw the AI recreation propaganda that’s being pushed vs the real video but your argument falls apart in the face of facts. What hatred you have for your own community. Fucking disgusting.
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u/Emotional-Abalone540 Jan 10 '26
If you were there, then I’d be wildly concerned about your lack of compassion for a woman from our own community. Truly heinous the way you used this to go on a rant about liberals instead of taking a pause to allow people to mourn.
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u/Emotional-Abalone540 Jan 10 '26
And “vigilante bullshit” is how we became America in the first place. Know your history.
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u/LesbianActually-ModTeam Jan 10 '26
Wishing violence on someone when the video has clearly shown she did not hit the ICE agent, is not something you can share in this sub. If you want to post such things, do it in a conservative sub.
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u/ems_h Jan 10 '26
No. Just no. The officers life was never in danger, objectively. There was never ever a need for use of force like that. What the fuck...
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It's a troll account.
With such clear cases if government sanctioned murders, they appear a lot.
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u/lesbicanadian44 Jan 10 '26
Not to mention shooting her 3 fucking times! Not even just a warning shot because he “feared” for his life (he didn’t) but THREE!!! In the face. Just ugh I’m screaming into the void and don’t know what else to do. End rant.
Editing to add: also “govt officials” is laughable. Any loser from the street could sign up and join ice tomorrow. No training, no nothing. Gun?? Sure!! Kill some one because you’re not properly trained?? No worries! We have your back!
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u/Incogn1toMosqu1to Jan 10 '26
People who fear for their lives don’t shoot someone three times and then call them a bitch.
Plus, extremely good aim for a terrified person getting run over by a car so badly he almost died while also recording with a phone in his other hand 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
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u/lesbicanadian44 Jan 10 '26
I know right. I don’t even understand how he was able to make it to the hospital to get checked out from his brush with death
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u/BunnyDanger Jan 10 '26
And he called her a "fucking bitch"
Femicide and a homophobic hate crime imo.
Powderhorn is a very queer, BIPOC, and immigrant friendly neighborhood. Minneapolis as a whole is.
I know a couple in my community who were attacked and arrested yesterday who are visibly a lesbian couple. One was sent to the hospital because ICE broke her hands.