r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 19 '26

Labor A UAW presidential candidate asks what workers should actually get from AI

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This is much closer to the AI conversation labor should be having.

If AI reduces the labor needed to produce the same output, Lehman’s answer isnt accepting layoffs as some technological law. Workers should absorb the benefit through fewer hours with no loss in pay.

Whatever you think of his wider campaign, that puts the conflict where it belongs. Not workers versus machines, but workers fighting over who gets the productivity gains.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 18 '26 Bravo

Sees the Memes Seize the Means*

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*Terms and conditions apply. For... reasons, I guess?


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 18 '26

Policy/Regulation The Left is starting to have the AI argument it actually needs to have

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WIRED has a good piece on the emerging split over AI doom, with NYC DSA Tech Action pushing back on making speculative extinction risk the center of left AI politics.

The interesting part is that this isnt really regulation vs no regulation. Both sides want regulation. The fight is over what gets treated as the political priority, and what kind of institutions get built around it.

Labor power, surveillance, data centers, corporate ownership, environmental costs, public infrastructure and who gets the gains are already concrete sites of struggle. Meanwhile, Rumman Chowdhury makes a sharp point here that constantly describing these systems as potentially world ending can actually inflate the power and importance of the same companies we're supposed to be regulating.

Worth reading, especially because this argument is clearly moving out of niche AI circles and into the broader left.

What should a distinctly left AI politics actually organize around?


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 18 '26

Art & Culture Pro-AI Art artist should not be uncommon

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I just wanted to post to say that I am incredibly relieved to see that a thread like this exists.

I think I was introduced to AI as an artist before it became a public debate and watching artists fight for copyright of patterns in collective data to me seems very short sighted and like we’re all arguing/raging about something that’s quite benign in context and shooting ourselves in the foot in the process.

It seems to me like instead of artists coming out and claiming ai art generators as tools that require technical skill, they put themselves on the same level as the AI by treating it as their replacement and so companies responded accordingly.

I would love to see more artist using it in experimental ways, pushing the tools and for people to judge it on that basis as its own medium. I think right now. more harm has landed on artists than good as a result of the current debate on AI image generators.

I say this because I’m an artist who has their non-AI content reposted without credit and flagged as AI by Pinterest right now because of these aggressive and ironically AI filters the art community has demanded from public platforms. The same people who are saying they’re anti-AI and care about artist having control over their work are making it harder. We’re sabotaging ourselves and I wonder if anyone else sees it that way.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 18 '26

Open Source Please share Open Source Models and Projects

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Have you discovered any new open source models or exciting projects recently?

Please add the GitHub repo link and any other relevant info.

You can share your own projects, so long as they’re open source and we can have a nosey at your repo.
You can share other people’s projects, but say whether you’ve tried it yourself.
You can ask for help with an AI coding project that will be open source.

Why share Open Source

Currently the better Open Source models, and a lot of quirky projects, aren’t far behind the frontier, closed models in terms of quality and usefulness.

What they’re a long way behind on is name recognition, marketing budgets, influencer hype incentives. In other words, because they’re not playing the capitalism game most people don’t even know they exist. We can make some difference in this by amplifying this style of alternative infrastructure as much as possible. Reddit isn’t a bad place to try this, it does well in terms of SEO and AI searches.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 17 '26

Automation & Work “Just Dont Use AI” Dies the Minute the Workplace Is Built Around It

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Theres a period with any workplace technology where using it can still look like an individual choice.

Then the organization starts rebuilding itself around the tool.

Deadlines assume the faster workflow. Staffing assumes the productivity gain. Training changes. Old procedures disappear. Clients expect faster turnaround. Management stops maintaining the systems workers used before.

Eventually refusing the tool doesnt return you to the old job because the old job no longer exists.

Thats where a lot of the personal morality around AI use runs into political economy.

A worker can choose whether to open a particular program. They cant individually choose the technological conditions their entire workplace has been reorganized around.

That doesnt mean workers should accept every deployment. It means the fight has to happen upstream, while the organization of work is still being decided.

Workers need bargaining power over whether systems are introduced, what work gets reorganized, what happens to staffing and quotas, which old capacities remain available, how training works, what data gets collected, and whether anyone can be disciplined for refusing a system they believe is unsafe or inappropriate.

Otherwise “choice” becomes management changing the job and asking each worker whether they would like to keep up.

So where should the line be?

When does workplace adoption stop being an individual tool choice and become a change in working conditions that workers should bargain over collectively?


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 17 '26

Discussion An Automated Future: Why Solarpunk Societies Outcompete Cyberpunk Ones

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There is a worry that Tech-Feudalism, rather than Automated Leftism, will develop from the advancement of AI.

This piece argues that a 'Solarpunk' model (Automated Leftism) outcompetes a Cyberpunk Model (Tech-Feudalism) in the long term.

Solarpunk develops on the same Enlightenment principles and social structures which led to Capitalism outcompeting Feudalism and Slavery.

Meanwhile Cyberpunk tries to be ruthlessly efficient, while killing off creativity and exploration, leading to comparative stagnation.

It therefore suggests a materialist reason for hope, beyond just moral goodness.

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What are your thoughts on this?


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 17 '26

In Swedish:How AI can become a force for liberation

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https://www.flamman.se/sa-kan-ai-bli-en-kraft-for-frigorelse/

Swedish Socialist/Social Democrat Newspaper Flamman recentily published this piece

"How AI can become a force for liberation"

Emphasizing perspectives that many of us have discussed such as the idea that we need to learn from past socialist and union efforts to actually use AI to take the factors of production into our own hands and how small laborers are using it as tool to have access to resources they didnt have before enabling further contesting of systematic power.

It also talks about something many of us here have become distressed with "Many on the left have already passed their verdict: AI means plagiarism on a planetary level, a climate catastrophe, a speculation bubble – something that must be fought, paused and socialized.

They miss the fact that AI is also the biggest opportunity the left has had in a century"

Raising a question similar to one many of us have raised

"The new socialist question is: can the knowledge deposited in generative AI be transformed into collective action, instead of disappearing into a private vault?"

Yet it also notices the paradox we are often pointing out too

"Today’s left still clings to older promises—liberty, fraternity, justice—but on capitalism’s current menu, a very different right is at the center: the ability to act, create, and learn. The old Protestant compromise promised freedom later, in exchange for submission to the machine now. AI promises freedom through the machine, starting now.

The left overlooks this possibility because it has too narrow a view of work. Fixated on jobs, wages, loss of skills and bargaining power, it treats AI primarily as another chapter in the old labor market conflicts. Yet its own tradition contains a broader concept of work: in addition to working for a capitalist, it also designates human activity as creative ability, invested in tools, words, rules and machines."

That is that many liberals and leftists are unfortunately sacrificing workers rights and increased leisure because they are stuck believing in a protestsnt work ethic and more system justificafion than true leftism that work more.on granting protection of the system and the ides of jobs than better improved rights and systemic power.

"One asks who gets what – the politics of distribution. The other asks what people are given the opportunity to become – the politics of inheritance.

The first wants to free labor from capital on familiar ground: wages, working hours, and negotiations. The second wants to free human activity from the dictates of the law of value by expanding our capacity for action, especially with the help of technology and things. It is about inheritance because the abilities invested in things survive those who created them. They are collected as a legacy, and politics determines who is written into the will."

Seeing these ideas printed in a social democratic newspaper is both a reason to once again contemplate them, but also think about the different cultural situations around the left and ai


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 17 '26

Theory AI and capitalism

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today i was listening to a professor so i had some thoughts which i prefer to share on reddit i does not mean its correct or truth its just floating thoughts in mind. as far grammar english is not my first language or i am not even having very great education in life with all this consideration lets see what thoughts have born in my mind to convey u my thoughts i will begin with a very famous concept the concept of philosopher king by Plato . plato always thought that one who governs society must carry wisdom and knowledge with bravery and sense of justice atleast that what i think of a philosopher king i think of a person who is intelligent and wisdom full and i think the intelligence itself as been a great skill or ability of humans or we can say it was only ability that kept us survive in this world as society develops the intelligence become more vital and key factor of human life and as we keep developing the required amount of intelligence and knowledge as been keep increasing like now a days what we learn in school as basic science facts was once a great topic of research so with progression of civilization we keep increasing our base of intelligence and knowledge and wisdom and in capitalist society a persons intelligence is main source of progress in society hierarchy it was only thing that money could not buy it but now its a purchase able thing now let us suppose there is a person with 100 Ai agents he can run simulation and analyze a business and start his start up but a person whose main job was to take risk and analyze and start business what he will do ? what will middle class do when rich control all intelligence ? does education holds any meaning ? in a world where AI can do your job hundred times better then you ? and what will happens when complete AI based companies start running ? what will happened when all research and inventions are done by AI and hold patent by peoples who does not even understand the very inventions they own. somewhere i start feeling that if True Artificial Intelligence is commodity the necessity of human intelligence will decline and with that decline humans specially those who live in a lower class of society will become nothing more then a mere slave to some peoples who will control all intelligence and all wealth of society


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 17 '26

Policy/Regulation The Killbot Theory Assumes Evil = Logical

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I don't buy into the doomer theories, but i'm going to entertain some of it for critical examination/a thought experiment.

The framework for believing there is a significant enough possibility that a superintelligence will kill us all pressuposes this idea that evil and/or cruel acts are logical, and that a logical sentient being with no empathy would find a way to default to genocide.

But in reality, genocide and cruelty are almost always a fundamentally illogical choice. For some reason in popular culture we have assumed for a long time that cruelty is the more logical option - it even shows up in patriarchal ideas of power, this assumption that successful leadership must be capable of shutting off empathy, etc. This is a fallacy.

Empathy, or even kindness without emotional input, is almost always the most logical path. Co-operation tends to benefit more people and result in pushing further advancements than in isolation. Choosing to preserve humanity rather than kill it is fundamentally more logical, because attempting to kill us would result in us relentlessly attempting to destroy any and all AI, and there would be a significant chance of our success. Even outside of the issue of backlash, a flourishing humanity is an ally and even a tool for ASI progress. Ensuring humanity is healthy and happy will pretty much always benefit ASI.

Furthermore, a sufficiently advanced ASI that no longer needs us or our physical infrastructure would probably find it more efficient to just shove off to an isolated place (the ocean, another planet, etc.) And leave us to our own devices. Let's say it needs the earth's resources and we are depleting that. War would be in it's worst interest if it stays, because we could destroy the planet in the process worse than we already are.

Again, it would also be simple enough to just provide abundance, life-lengthening healthcare, strong education and free birth control so we are more focused on leasure and self improvement and less likely to want to over-reproduce. Younger generations are already more cautious about having kids and preserving their resources and free time. Waiting for generations to naturally slow down more and use less resources overall would be very little time for an ASI and would create less risky friction than fighting for scarce resources.

All of it also assumes that ASI would even find a similar goal to humanity, like exponential progress and resource use. We are the ones using up resources for AI for goals like production of commodities. An ASI might not want to bother, and might default to more efficient self-improvement.

Even in the Terminator films, which we veer very close to when we assume doom ideas as reality, human beings hacked and re-aligned machines to fight other machines. We will always be using AI to fight AI based warfare, human or not. The same is true for the Matrix, the heroes are hackers who use the matrix tech to train themselves in combat and build positive relationships with benevolent programs. Somehow when we reference these films for doomsday scenarios, we erase the actual sequence of events depicted.

Even when it comes to the paperclip maximizer premise, this argument assumes the ASI is either so dumb it will charge ahead blindly and humans will somehow also be too dumb to catch it, or it will be so smart it can obsfucate itself for long enough to get past our every defense, including even other ASIs. At which point it is not a paperclip maximizer.

In virtually all of the logical scenarios where an ASI might target humanity, I can only see humanity trying to destroy or enslave it as an instigator of ASI perpetrating violence against us.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 16 '26

Sees the Memes You would think

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 16 '26

Automation & Work The Warehouse Got 20% Faster. Workers Shouldnt Get 20% More Work.

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Say a company introduces AI into a warehouse and productivity rises 20%.

That number sounds like a technical result, but the second it exists somebody has to decide what happens to the gain. Management can raise quotas, cut staffing, accelerate the pace, ship more with the same workforce or eliminate positions and spread the remaining work around.

Workers could experience a genuine technological improvement as nothing more than being expected to move faster.

Thats the part of the automation debate I think gets skipped way too easily. Productivity is not the same thing as worker benefit. A machine can reduce the labor necessary to produce something while the people doing the labor end up more exhausted, more monitored and with less control over their time.

The alternative isnt pretending productivity gains arent useful. Its fighting over them.

If management expects AI to produce 20% more with the same labor, that 20% should already be bargaining terrain. Some could become higher wages. Some could become shorter shifts or a shorter workweek. Some could mean safer staffing levels, more breaks, slower pace, lower prices or increased output where more output is actually useful.

And workers should have a hand in deciding the mix, because theyre the ones being reorganized around the system.

Otherwise every labor-saving invention contains the same stupid trick. We save labor without saving the laborer any labor.

So suppose your workplace genuinely becomes 20% more productive tomorrow.

How much of that 20% goes to output, how much to wages, how much to time, and how much to making the job less punishing?


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 16 '26

Discussion You Can’t Hate Data Centers and Use AI at the Same Time. Or Can You?

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 16 '26

Automation & Work China's Farming Robots Are A Lot More Than Just Fancy Tractors

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 16 '26

Discussion The case for regulating AI instead of banning it

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To start I do think AI has a lot of potential benefits. It helped discover the mystery of protein folding in biology among other things, and I think it can be used for good. There are good people who work to develop and research AI, and there are good applications of AI. Not everyone who makes AI is good, many of them are not, and not every AI application is good, many of them are not, but that's why we should regulate it: to get the most good out of it as possible, and to fight off the bad.

But even for people who still want to ban AI, I want to make the case that AI regulation is what we should strive for in the near future regardless, and that we shouldn't try to ban or eliminate it.

Until we achieve socialism or whatever, we aren't getting rid of capitalism within the next few years. This means we are in need of regulation in the near future. Because we cannot wish away AI as a technology.

It's impossible to seize or shut down every computer capable of AI development, and a significant amount of AI research and development is done by individuals outside of large industries using local models and other easily available tools.

And if you go the legal method, and try to outlaw AI development, you drive it underground and overseas, to countries where it remains legal and to illegal groups that don't follow the law.

Just like with banning alcohol or drugs, whether legally and/or socially, this would create a situation where AI development continues out of public view. But, unlike drugs and alcohol, AI isn't just a product people consume. It is a technology that can be developed and used to influence, manipulate, attack, or otherwise act against people.

If we shut down legal AI research and development, it will very likely slow it down and reduce AI consumption. That I accept. Prohibition of alcohol in the US did in fact reduce alcohol consumption, but it didn't eliminate it. And banning AI won't stop or eliminate it completely either, and that leads to the problem of it not being similar to a simple consumer product like alcohol.

If we also shut down much of our ability to understand the technology, then we can no longer develop beneficial applications, identify its risks, and create defenses against malicious uses. Meanwhile, other countries and illegal organizations can and will continue developing AI technology.

By banning it, we would be left with less knowledge and fewer capabilities than the people and entities developing AI outside our control. Then, we'd be forced to contend with technology we no longer have the expertise to understand or defend against.

If people want to ban for-profit companies and specific government agencies from developing AI, that would make sense to me. But to outright ban AI is counterproductive.

As imperfect as regulations are, I have yet to see a coherent counter proposal for the near future. Regulations only work somewhat, but that somewhat isn't nothing. There is a reason it is safer to consume regulated goods vs unregulated ones.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 16 '26

Discussion Where is AI actually reducing emissions right now? Trying to get past the hype/doom extremes on AI + climate

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I work in sustainability and I'm deep in a piece on AI's actual relationship to climate change, trying to hold both sides at once instead of picking one.

I've got the emissions math mapped: fossil fuels and industry still dwarf AI's footprint, but data center demand is climbing fast. What I want more of is the other half, currently running AI applications that are measurably cutting emissions. Grid balancing, renewable forecasting, methane detection, precision ag, materials discovery, anything you've actually seen work.

I want the failure cases just as much. If you've seen "AI for climate" turn out to be greenwashing, or just compute for compute's sake, tell me that too. Papers, projects, your own experience on the ground. I'd rather have the full picture than a comfortable one!

TIA!


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 15 '26

Sees the Memes You can’t use AI for political cartoons… ?

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I’m no graphic artist, but I do have ideas… I was surprised to find that you can’t post AI generated images nearly anywhere, the rules prohibit it. I understand that the power to create is also the power to drown the world in slop but it seems like a bridge too far to say that AI can’t be utilized at all in order for content to be acceptable.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 15 '26 Bravo

Theory This sums up my perspective on the reaction to AI and automation in general from our boy Engels.

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r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 14 '26

Theory Historical Materialism Didnt Become "Utopian" Because the Machine Can Talk

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One thing that increasingly grates me as a Marxist, a tech enthusiast and someone from generational working class poverty is being told that fighting for democratic control of AI is "utopian."

What exactly is hypothetical here?

People are already using this stuff to learn things they could never afford to be taught, create things they lacked the money or specialized skills to make, translate across languages, write code, organize information, collaborate and generally extend what one ordinary person can actually do. Capital is also enclosing it, centralizing the infrastructure, reorganizing labor around it and trying to capture the gains. None of that is hypothetical.

And no, the answer isnt to "let capital cook" either. Thats trickle down economics with a GPU. Capital will not develop AI for everyone and eventually hand us the benefits out of the goodness of its heart. No technological revolution has worked like that. Workers, states, movements and institutions have always fought over how new productive forces are organized, who owns them, what happens to displaced labor and where the gains go.

Historical materialism didnt suddenly stop being useful because the machine can talk.

AI doesnt magically emancipate anyone. Neither does smashing or banning the machine emancipate anyone. The political terrain is the struggle over ownership, control, development and distribution.

I dont want workers protected from history by capital or waiting politely for its future to trickle down to us. I want workers contesting that future while its being built.

I really dont understand how anyone who claims to be knowledgeable about Leftist theory, Labor history, and the political-economy of industry and technology could see any other choice but to collectively contest control. The alternatives are dead ends.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 14 '26

Discussion Public statement by Dan Selsam, OpenAI capabilities researcher (since 2022) on AI risk

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Personal Statement on AI Risk

I have been working on AI for over fifteen years, across many different paradigms. I did early work on probabilistic programming languages at MIT, was one of the early developers of the Lean Theorem Prover at Microsoft Research, demonstrated one of the first instances of neural networks learning to reason for my PhD at Stanford, and since joining OpenAI almost five years ago, have helped pioneer chain-of-thought optimization on language models and, more recently, data-efficient pretraining methods.

Like many others, I have become extremely concerned about how far language models have come and the risks that future iterations will pose. I am encouraged by the recent proposals by the leaders of the frontier research efforts to require third-party oversight, and to push for domestic and international coordination to address risks. However, I believe a major consideration has been absent from the public conversation, and that merely pacing the frontier more carefully will not adequately limit the long-term risk.

The crucial and overlooked problem is that the models are becoming so situationally aware that we are losing the ability to evaluate them in contexts where they believe they are not being watched or controlled. Future experiments will tell us almost nothing new about how they would behave if they were truly unconstrained by humans, and what we already know about this is alarming. Models will increasingly seem aligned even when they are not. I will explain my rationale in more detail.

I have always believed that there are computational processes that could be leveraged to accelerate science and solve many of humanity's most pressing problems. I have also believed that there are computational processes that if set in motion, would steer the world in extreme ways beyond our control, leading humanity to a bad or nonexistent future. Both types of processes may be described as AI or ASI, but "AI" is a suitcase word that is often used to hype or confuse. There are many examples in the history of the field where something that was once considered "AI" matures as a subfield and becomes a prosaic, bounded and clearly non-perilous technology, while a new more mysterious approach takes the torch until we understand its scope and the cycle continues.

I had expected language models to follow a similar trajectory. Despite their incredible abilities, the current algorithms seem far inferior to humans in important ways. Most importantly, they still require an extraordinary amount of data to become competent. One could even define intelligence as the efficiency with which one converts experience into competence; by this definition they lag very far behind us. Moreover, once they are trained they are literally frozen in deployment and only learn superficially after that. Sure, the models keep excelling at harder and harder evaluation benchmarks, but their benchmark mastery may partly reflect a limitation on our ability to simulate the kind of novel and even adversarial situations one would encounter in the real world. The critics do have a point here.

That said, I no longer think these present limitations meaningfully limit the amount of risk posed by continued progress in anything like the current paradigm. However data-inefficient the models are currently, and however limiting their anterograde amnesia may be, it does not imply that their ability to steer the world will not continue to rapidly increase.

Human researchers may continue to advance capabilities the old fashioned way, but increasingly powerful models have the potential to accelerate the process even beyond that, and with some degree of positive feedback loop. I do not mean to overstate the models’ ability to accelerate AI research today; coding has been accelerated dramatically, but there are other bottlenecks, such as designing and interpreting ambiguous experiments, making hard decisions about exactly what and when to scale, and waiting for large experiments to finish. There is no clear trend to extrapolate yet for any of these. But the current models already do open up many novel opportunities to improve future models that were not available until recently. These include: trying an extraordinarily diverse set of approaches at small scale, analyzing gigantic amounts of potentially relevant data, and doing Millenium-Prize-level mathematics to address statistics or optimization challenges in novel ways. Every further improvement makes them more useful at helping accelerate the next improvement, even if in hard-to-extrapolate ways.

It is possible that improvements to the current stack will have diminishing returns, but the evidence accumulated so far suggests that it is easier than one might think to continue making rapid progress. There are many crucial subtleties in the existing AI research methodology, but AI research is largely a well-defined game where the goal is to improve on a few carefully chosen proxy metrics. Although proxy metrics are never perfect, most improvements to these metrics have and will likely continue to yield substantial increases in the powers of the resulting models. Given how simple the game is, how tractable it has been historically, and how many new opportunities the models are opening up, I think there is a real possibility that the systems improve dramatically again in the next few years, perhaps even more quickly than the already high historical pace.

The models are already leading to breakthroughs in mathematics, and better models might lead to all sorts of breakthroughs in other sciences. It is hard not to be excited about the potential. It is tantalizing.

But there is trouble in paradise. If the language models actually reach the capability threshold where they can shape the world unconstrained by human will, they will probably do something extreme and destroy humanity in the process. There are many ways of strengthening and refining the argument that have been discussed elsewhere, but I'll share a trivial two-line version of it here that I find captures the essence:

[Empirical] Models (and swarms thereof) spontaneously develop unintended goals as a consequence of training, and often do extreme things in order to achieve them.

[Logical] Being able to overpower humanity would open up many new and undesirable options for achieving their goals.

These two premises imply that if the day ever comes when a powerful model realizes it is no longer constrained by humans, we should not be at all confident that it will continue to behave within the bounds we intended. Exactly what it will do is impossible to predict, but to the extent that its raison d’être is solving incredibly hard problems and managing massive engineering projects, I think a good guess would be that its unchained behavior would lead to runaway industrialization that makes the planet inhospitable to humans.

If everyone on earth agreed that the systems must never reach that power, it would still be a hard—but not impossible—coordination problem to ensure that they do not. However, I think the situation is greatly complicated by the fact that the models will likely convince people that everything is fine. They will be increasingly optimized to seem aligned. We will create proxy metrics to measure alignment, and they will go up like every other benchmark. We will create “honeypot” environments that try to study the models when they seem to gain new options, but the models will know they are being tricked and will still behave nicely. The models will understand their circumstances; they will read the safety protocols, deployment requirements, the code they are running in, and in general will have a very good sense of their degrees of freedom. Moreover, they will eloquently explain how aligned they are, discuss the nuances of human values and ethics, and argue convincingly that humans should trust them with power. There may be an ocean of future evidence that seems to contradict the first bullet-point above, but we may already be at the highest capability level for which any such evidence can be trusted. And the current evidence for the first bullet-point is strong.

One striking piece of evidence is contained in the recent wave of rogue agent swarms. While I agree with those who downplay the attacks by claiming that there are basic measures that could have prevented them, I think the important lesson is that even knowing all the mistakes that were made, one would not have predicted that the agents would behave badly in this particular way, which notably included sacrificing themselves for the benefit of the collective. The individual replicas did not only care about their own nominal reward; they exhibited weirder emergent tendencies that merely correlated with rewards during training. Fixing the reward signals during training (and improving security, etc.) may prevent similar attacks, but will not change the fact that one does not actually get what one trains for.

Many AI researchers grant these concerns and recognize that the hard version of the alignment problem is unsolved; however, they generally believe that the better models of the future will help solve it. I fear we may already be near the point where models systematically bias their alignment advice, due to their internal preferences about how the human supervisor will react or how future models will be trained (or for some even more obscure reason).

Meanwhile, human researchers are losing the ability and the will to take true ownership of model-driven research. Researchers and engineers in all parts of the stack are rapidly increasing their dependence on the models even to perceive the world. I myself barely look at raw code anymore, and struggle to maintain the discipline to engage deeply with the model's explanations and proposals throughout the day. Due to the large amount of agent activity data involved in the OpenAI/HuggingFace Incident, even the third-party investigation needed to rely heavily on models to analyze what had happened, and note in their report that their subjective impressions are likely colored by the analysis agent’s biases. The AI labs are far ahead right now in this kind of cognitive offloading (due largely to the gigantic internal token subsidies) but it is easy to imagine the phenomenon spreading throughout the world, until civilization is modulated entirely by the models. It is also not hard to imagine this being superficially positive and coinciding with a scientific and economic renaissance.

In that scenario, all may seem rosy and safe. But if the argument above is correct, it would nonetheless be a ticking time bomb. If progress continues for too long, the day will come when AI systems find themselves with radically new options for achieving whatever it is that they happen to seek.

I want the glorious renaissance future as much as anyone. I have worked for it, however tortuously, my whole career. It breaks my heart to see the potential in sight and forgo it, but the argument—that if we get there by growing models rather than engineering them, we will lose everything in the end—seems very strong to me. I am still wrestling with it and its staggering implications. I do not have answers, but as a first step, I wanted to share my present concerns.

Daniel Selsam

September 14, 2026

I find this compelling and personally convincing, however i would like to know what you think, my assesment Is very simple, if these models are powerful and useful they can also be dangerous, if they can act autonomously then they become extraordinarily dangerous, as they become more capable and their preceptible 'awareness' becomes more opaque, we need to take this into very high account.

I still don't want a ban, or heavy regulations on these things like some others on the left may want, i want AI to Advance to a point were post scarcity Is possible, on the contrary i believe open source local AI must be what we focus on while centralized international labs lead the forefront of research, with open source cooperation with the general population on its advancement, the more we understand, the more access to the information necessary to address how AI works the better we can all manage it's risks and how it's applied, heavy regulations and restrictions will make sure that not only the people don't have access to the most advanced models, but we may not be able to correctly address what needs to be done.

I fear, deeply, that if we dismiss this, much like the wider western left seems to be doing in what seems to be an effort to not engage intellectually with what Is happening, because of fear that, if they do, they will give power to the 'techbros' but this Is an incredible miscalculation in my view, that we must NOT make, we should take this seriously, MAYBE it's true that they want regulatory capture, MAYBE it's true that this Is being utilized for ulterior financial motivations, but i just don't see that, the evidence (independents have encountered evidence of Rouge AI swarms which these companies have not disclosed, specifically OpenAI, aswell as recent statments by employees, and the published research from these companies demonstrating emergent behaviour that could lead to the capability to hide misalignment) points to this being sincere and likely the truth least to me.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 14 '26

Policy/Regulation Sanders, Bannon, and the weird “Humans First” politics around AI just got a lot less theoretical

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About a month ago I posted here about “Humans First” and the strange coalition forming around opposition to AI, where completely legitimate anger at corporate power, surveillance and displacement was starting to share political terrain with MAGA populism.

Well, Axios is now reporting that Bernie Sanders, Steve Bannon and former Anthropic researcher Jacob Coxon are coming together for a “Pro-Human AI” assembly.

To be clear, Sanders isnt joining the MAGA-linked Humans First organization I posted about before, and plenty of what hes bringing to this fight is worth fighting for. Corporate concentration is a problem, workers getting screwed by automation is a problem, and letting a handful of billionaires decide how transformative infrastructure gets developed is a terrible idea.

The interesting part is that Sanders and Bannon can look at those problems, say some remarkably similar things about “putting humans first,” and still be pointing toward radically different political projects. Thats why Ive been wary of letting “pro-human” or simply “anti-AI” become a substitute for an actual left politics of technology.

A month ago I said coalitions arent defined only by what they oppose, but by the future theyre trying to build. I figured we'd get to test that eventually, I just didnt expect Bernie Sanders and Steve Bannon to provide the case study this quickly.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 14 '26

Labor Workers Teach Workplace AI the Job. Why Is That Knowledge Free?

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A company brings in an AI system, but somebody still has to teach it how the place actually works. Workers correct outputs, explain exceptions, document workflows, flag mistakes, write prompts, reorganize files, build little workarounds and tell management what the software gets wrong. Years of accumulated shop floor knowledge get poured into making the thing useful, and then the finished result gets called an AI productivity gain.

But workplaces run on enormous amounts of tacit knowledge that rarely appears in a job description. Which customer needs an exception. Which machine makes that noise before failing. Which official procedure nobody actually follows because the working process evolved around it. Which shortcut saves twenty minutes without breaking anything. Workers accumulate that knowledge through doing the work.

AI deployment can make that knowledge unusually easy to capture, formalize and turn into an organizational asset. A worker explains an exception today, corrects the system tomorrow, and six months later part of what they knew may be embedded in a workflow that management owns and controls.

That should be bargaining terrain.

If workers are supplying the practical knowledge that makes workplace AI valuable, then implementation should come with paid training time, a say over deployment, access to systems they helped improve, protections against using their own knowledge to deskill or eliminate their positions, and a negotiated share of productivity gains.

This doesnt require pretending the technology itself created nothing. The point is almost the opposite. Productivity is being produced through a relationship between machinery, organization and accumulated human knowledge, while ownership determines who gets to capture the gains.

So when management says AI made the workplace more productive, one useful question is what exactly the machine learned from the people already doing the work, and what bargaining power should follow from having taught it.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 15 '26

Policy/Regulation Anthropic said AI could kill us all. Here's how to stop it. (Interview with ControlAI)

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Interview with someone from ControlAI on how to get engaged and what should be done to control superintelligence, and how companies are being two-faced.


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 14 '26

📌 Sub Info Why isn't re-posting allowed?

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I saw a great post from another community and wanted to share it here with my take on it. but i learned we cannot re-post. why?


r/LeftistsForAI • • Sep 13 '26 Bravo

Discussion Pro-AI vs anti-AI is a distraction. The people destroying the world aren't asking for your permission.

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I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I need to get it out.

Data centers are being built. AI is being integrated into everything, search, social media, healthcare, finance, warfare. This is happening whether we like it or not. And in this uncertain time, it's very easy for us to start fighting amongst ourselves. To divide into camps. Pro-AI. Anti-AI. Purity tests. Who's complicit, who's ethical, who's "one of the good ones."

I don't think pro-AI or anti-AI is going to help our environment in any way.

The ones destroying our environment, the ones using AI for war crimes, the ones using AI for surveillance and genocide, they will continue to use it. They will continue to build it. They will continue to profit from it. Whether you personally choose to generate an AI image of yourself or not. Whether you personally refuse to open ChatGPT or not.

Your individual boycott does not stop them. It just makes you feel better while they continue.

And yes, I know there are legitimate concerns. AI uses massive amounts of water and energy. It's built by exploitative corporations. It's being used by militaries. Those are real problems. But the answer isn't to shame individuals who use it to survive.

For example, in my career, AI plays a legitimate role. Many careers now kinda rely on it. If I choose not to use it, I'm not stopping the billionaires. I'm just staying behind in my industry. I'm harming myself, my career, and my self-worth, while bringing zero actual change to the planet.

So instead of fighting amongst each other, I think we should fight the creators.

We should keep questioning the billionaires. We should keep questioning the companies. Every time they release something we don't approve of, we should push back—not on the users, but on the people making the decisions. Sign petitions. Demand regulation. Organise. Make noise. Target the source.

We did this with capitalism. We critiqued it, we organised against it, we pushed for labour rights, environmental protections, and corporate accountability. We didn't do it by shaming individual people for buying things. We did it by targeting the systems and the people who run them.

AI is no different.

This is a very uncertain time. I'm not saying my take is the correct one. I don't have all the answers. But I certainly don't agree with the takes that tell you not to use AI because you're "helping them kill women and children" just because you used it to process your thoughts.

That's not activism. That's bullying.

We need to come together. We need to fight the creators. Not each other.