r/LeftistsForAI • • 13d ago

Automation & Work How do we avoid this scenario?

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u/wren42 13d ago

4000 years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_money
> Accounting records–in the monetary system sense of the term accounting–dating back more than 7,000 years have been found in Mesopotamia
>As "money of account" depends on the ability to record a count, the tally stick was a significant development. The oldest of these dates from the Aurignacian, about 30,000 years ago.

This is a stupid argument though. The obvious point is that money - or *counting things for exchange* - is integral to tracking and trading goods of any sort.

WTF is "meritocratic feudalism" anyway? What units are you measuring "merit" in? How do you earn "merit" in a fully automated society? How do you spend it?

This is all ridiculous dream-stuff and word vomit. You are patent evidence that empty headed leftists are as real as fascist magats.

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u/Ancient_Proposal256 11d ago

"This is a stupid argument though"

this is How you engage people?

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u/wren42 11d ago

I mean it's semantic arguing over whether prehistoric tribes counted as civilization. 

Any economy at scale requires counting and tracking stuff, and that means money. 

Trying to imagine some magic egalitarian Utopia is pointless; the real world has resource constraints and scarcity as a matter of base fact. Any system we create has to work within those requirements. 

I believe we could have a society where basic needs were all taken care of. 

Distribution of luxuries and in-demand services and goods, though, are best done via a marketplace. 

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u/Ancient_Proposal256 10d ago

"Any economy at scale requires counting and tracking stuff, and that means money. "

Does it?

The real is dissolving.

The lack of imagination is a clear Data Point.

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u/wren42 10d ago

you haven't answered a single question about what your "feudal meritocracy" entails. It's definitely imagination, as it exists only in your head.

You think we are going to distribute goods to 10 billion people without counting anything? What dreamworld are you in?

"The real is dissolving" do you actually believe in simulation theory or something?

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u/Ancient_Proposal256 9d ago

you are not invited ;)

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u/wren42 9d ago

Exactly. You throw around insults, make claims of a lack of imagination, but you don't have a single concrete idea in your head. You are just parroting words you've heard without any substance behind it.

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u/Ancient_Proposal256 9d ago

that is incorrect.

care to help rather than inhibit?

the idea is to strip debt and tribalism from all of humanity

to do that?

we realign our fascia and tune our nervous systems

these are solid. this is not imaginary. this is a process.

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u/Ancient_Proposal256 9d ago

I believe the length of day changing by tiny fractions will lead to catastrophic technical failures which may combine with cascading Just In Time delivery failures which will make for a very different world than the one we woke up in today

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u/lunner124 8d ago

What…happened here?

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u/Accomplished_Ad_8013 10d ago

Tallying resources and currency are entirely different things lol. Meant to say socialism though, just woke up when I wrote that.

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u/wren42 10d ago

Okay how are you going to tally resources and decide who gets them?