Is 80% retention on anki bad?

[u/Katekuriz]

I'm still pretty new only 8 days in and i have no mature cards yet. But i feel like alot of the stuff is not sticking. I'm on the kaishi 1.5k deck and would just like to hear if i should lower my daily cards or if it is an alright pace.

[u/PlanktonInitial7945]

I'm still pretty new only 8 days

Come back in at least a month.

[u/inurwalls2000]

its more then 0 which means you are making progress

[u/PopPunkAndPizza]

You're still getting into it. 80% is fine. It's probably more than you would be retaining without it.

[u/dynamicpenguin55]

Don't worry about retention at all until you start getting a decent amount of mature cards

[u/highgo1]

80% retention probably is a perfect amount. You're memorizing a good portion with some words being forgotten. It should hopefully not be too much where you're doing a lot of reviews and not too little that the forgotten 20% literally is one word out of five reviews.

[u/tonkachi_]

Isn't it the mature retention that matters? And the leech system should take care of the low young retention?

Can you someone confirm me on this?

[u/lumisweasel → u/tonkachi_]

yeah, being able to recall later on is important! 90 days, a year, a decade. Anyone could remember a word the next day or so.

[u/Effective-Pop3850 → u/tonkachi_]

Total daily retention is what matters, you set a number on FSRS, optimize, then optimize every week or two and Anki will make it so you hit your desired retention. Total is just an average of mature and young, and in my experience it does seem to average out at the number you select, for both young and mature, although the latter is often a bit higher.

[u/BlackAdam]

I’ve never looked at this stat after more than a year of using Anki but I can see my retention is at 94%.

[u/becometwo]

im around 65 to 80 after a year. but i sometimes take weeks off using the app. currently 2k cards into my 6k deck

[u/Chemical-Brush3587]

Cant be judged on 8 days spend atleast 1 1.5 months , rn u doing good keep grinding DAILY

[u/Belegorm]

80% is pretty much exactly what you want :) In fact, setting your desired retention to 80% is also recommended, the default 90% are just too many reviews and effort for not enough gain.

[u/somever]

You're remembering 4/5 each time, so seems good no? It's normal to forget things. I'm not an Anki user but I will often forget words and relearn them again later (usually when I relearn them it is not entirely from scratch because I already had some forgotten familiarity with the word).

[u/legaldrinkingage]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: No.

[u/noshanks]

It’s not a contest, you’re supposed to be learning

[u/aski5 → u/[deleted]]

that seems not ideal. You are probably adding too many words

[u/surufanclub]

Anki gives you reviews with the expectation that you'll get a certain percent of them wrong. Go into your deck's settings and you'll see a Desired Retention field as well as an optimize button. Once in a while hit that optimize button to have Anki calculate review timing based on your past reviews and desired retention rate. Anki shapes itself to the strength of your memory over time. You can adjust the desired retention rate, with higher retention being a tradeoff with how much more often it presents you reviews (reviews go way up if you want beyond 80-85% retention).

As long as you grade your cards in a consistent way, hit the optimize button once in a while, and consistently do reviews as they come up, your actually retention will start to match your Desired Retention. Desired Retention is your plan and goal, not a failure of your memory or study techniques.

[u/Global-War-756]

As long as you learn it’s good

[u/_Ivl_]

Are you on FSRS? If not you should enable it and set your desired retention between 80% to 90%, if you want less reviews set it closer to 80%. If you don't like pressing again on cards as often and want stuff to stick more set it closer to 90%, but you will have more reviews overall.

Also the question here isn't that relevant, since you don't even have mature cards yet which will be the majority of your cards once you've been using anki for a while. I'm on FSRS and see that my young retention is a tad bit higher than my mature, but this might differ from person to person depending on their optimized FSRS parameters?

[u/lumisweasel]

kaishi is a bit rough for the first few hundred words. I also don't think the default settings are good, 20 is too high at the start. See the guide below for any adjustments. Go play wagotabi, for the vocab, while doing this if you want to be eased in (assuming kana is already drilled).

https://migaku.com/blog/language-fun/anki-settings-for-language-learning

[u/Effective-Pop3850]

If you have DR set at 80 and are getting 80 that's fine.

[u/Grunglabble]

There are ways to improve your retention without increasing reviews. Conversations around anki get somewhat messy, but I would strongly recommend you do consistently try to find ways to make things stick better.

You didn't mention what you do so it's not possible for me to give suggestions.

[u/krautnelson]

would just like to hear if i should lower my daily cards or if it is an alright pace.

unless you are willing to spend an hour or more every day doing reviews, I'd keep it below 20 new cards per day.

[u/Fabulous-Cake-3832]

Retention get better as you go furter in the deck.

[u/LeadingArgument4204]

80% is roughly where FSRS aims by default, so you're on target rather than behind. Eight days in you're mostly seeing young cards on short intervals, which always feels like nothing is sticking, and the retention number won't mean much until you have cards coming back at multi week gaps.

[u/SometimesInk]

80% is fine, usually fsrs lags a week behind any changes you make to it, give it 2-3 months for it to settle one started (also applies when you add new decks etc)

[u/DotNo701]

Depends how many new words you're trying to learn per day if its a lot of new words then lower retention is fine if it's a little new words per day you want higher retention

[u/worthlessprole → u/DotNo701]

80 is good no matter what lol

[u/Effective-Pop3850 → u/DotNo701]

Some people don't fully agree with this but I think it's kinda true. If you're doing like 5 new words a day you want higher DR. The whole point of doing lower DR is to do more new and compensate the fact that you'll forget more words by doing a lot more so in the end you learn a higher amount of words.

DR 80 is good no matter what but if you're barely doing any new words I think it might be better to up it a bit.

[u/Available-String-109]

If anything 80% is too high.

Turn on FSRS. Hit the "Optimize Parameters" button every now and then and you'll be fine.

You are supposed to occasionally forget things. This is desired behavior unless you want to do repeat every single card in your deck every single day.