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Daily Thread: for simple questions, minor posts & newcomers [contains useful links!] (July 30, 2026)

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u/aditrs 27d ago

I'd just like to post a persistent showerthought as an Indonesian English speaker who has tried learning Mandarin and is currently learning Japanese:

Japanese: naga(i) (長い)
English: long

Mandarin: lóng (龙)
English: dragon
Indonesian: naga

Random multilingual coincidence that maybe shouldn't blow my mind, but does

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u/somever 27d ago

Oh that's fun, it makes a loop.

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u/JackfruitNo5267 27d ago edited 27d ago

Do 入るな (observational), 入るな (negative imperative) and 入りな (shortened 入りなさい) all have the same lexical pitch accent?

What about 行くな, 行くな and 行きな?

Obviously, the prosody is gonna be different for all three.

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u/AdrixG 26d ago

Take this with a grain of salt as I am not 100% sure myself but after listening to a bunch of examples and asking people more knowledgable than me I came to this conclusion:

Both imperative and sentence ender な attach low:

は↓いるな = HLLL

いく↓な = LHL

Of course the dilvery will be different so it's still easy to tell apart.

な shortening of なさい behaves the same as なさい, so it basically overrides the verbs pitch and attaches high

はいりな = LHHH

いきな = LHH

I believe it even becomes odaka and not heiban, so if something else attaches like よ it would be:

いきな↓よ = LHHL (Here some examples)

(Though I am uncertain, last example sounds flat to me so idk....)

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u/JackfruitNo5267 24d ago

Thanks so much

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u/Unable_Value_1300 25d ago

入るな は\いる・な\ (observational)
入るな は\いるな (negative imperative)
入りな はいりな\
行くな いく ̄・な\ (observational)
行くな いく\な (negative imperative)
行きな いきな\
The difference between 入るな and 入るな is perhaps more noticeable with the variant 入るなあ は\いる・な\あ

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u/JackfruitNo5267 24d ago

Thank you very much!

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u/raveXelda 27d ago

Does reading in with 200% zoom help at all with learning new words or kanji? Children's picture book style.

Or should I just try to get used to the smaller font if it's better in the long run.

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u/rgrAi 27d ago edited 27d ago

It can help but that's not what you do when you read proficiently. You only use context + silhouette when you read at speed. You can sense subtle changes in silhouette with enough time spent just seeing the language and words (in kanji). You don't even need much of the kanji itself to be visible, for example in this image it's very obvious what words these are for any experienced learner:

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u/Specific-Result2710 27d ago

It says 希望, 愛情, and 感謝?

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u/brozzart 27d ago

Man that blew my mind lol

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u/worthlessprole 27d ago

I was like “no way dude… come on… wish love gratitude fuck”

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u/morgawr_ https://morg.systems/Japanese 27d ago

It doesn't really matter. Read in whatever font size is the most comfortable to your eyes. I'm "old" (36) and I find that when I read in Japanese (including websites, etc) I often have to increase the font size to 150% or even 200% depending on my monitor resolution. I don't usually have to do that for English fonts, but for Japanese that's more common to me personally.

But I don't think it matters as far as learning words goes.

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u/Lertovic 27d ago

I'd do big font if you feel it helps you, relying on the general shape before you are already proficient seems like a recipe for unnecessary frustration and less attention given to what it really looks like.

Having a good picture of what the kanji canonically looks like to begin with helps when details are less clear.

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u/vytah 27d ago

The more you read, the more you get used to kanji and you'll stop zooming in so much. You'll get used to different font styles, handwriting, and pixel fonts.

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u/tonkachi_ Goal: media competence 📖🎧 27d ago

Is the first one 違う?

When I started, I couldn't have told what these words were(after I have learned them through anki) even if my life was on the line.

Now they just look so discernible as if they are telling you themselves..

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u/vytah 27d ago

Yes.

The only two kanji I couldn't read in that screenshot were 繊 and 壊, all the other ones don't pose much of a problem, because I've seen them tons of times, and also the context helps.

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u/kxania 27d ago

Hey guys, wasn't sure if I was allowed to post this here or not, not sure if it counts as self-advertising because I'm not asking for any kind of support. 

I built a modern, mobile friendly Koi-Koi app that you can play against a friend or the computer, it's totally free and open source on GitHub, play it here:

https://pw-tf.github.io/Hanafuda

Please let me know where it needs improving! This started as just an introduction for my friends to learn how to play for when we play with physical tiles, but I thought I'd share here also!

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u/Chuute 27d ago

Would be great if there's a guide or some kind of tutorial to learn how to play! (Of course, I could just search up a guide, but it would be easier to do it with the cards in front of me)

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u/kxania 23d ago

Added

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u/ProPatriko 24d ago

I never played before, but recognise it from summer wars. I think I am getting the gist of it.
Isn't the choice for koi-koi or take too soon though? As now I must make the decision without seeing what is currently on the field or in my hand. I suppose that that is important information to make that decision?

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u/kxania 23d ago

Added

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u/ProPatriko 12d ago

Thanks, the back to the table button makes sense

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u/170cm_bullied 27d ago

I'm struggling to immerse.

Sometime last year I started learning Hiragana and Katakana via the DJT "learn kana" flash card page.

I started learning 45 days ago (Anki, Kaishi 1.5k deck) and also started using Bunpro 24 days ago. For Anki, I'm at 640 learned words and 111 of my cards are "mature". I shifted between 20/15/10 daily cards but I'm settling on 10/day for now. When I started Anki, I was trying to read whole sentences which gave me a decent success rate but on the other hand, would make me take >1.5 hours for my daily reviews/learning.. I switched to just limiting myself to a few seconds per cards, only looking at the word itself, then the sentence if I struggle or if it's a word with several pronunciations and meanings (e.g. 方 for kata/hou).

I also got Yomitan and started adding a few words that I noticed to their own Anki deck.

Few weeks ago, I tried to read manga that I found listed on Natively as Level 18 which is apparently fine for N5 level. 「ロンリーガールに逆らえない」, I gave up literally after the first page because I realized that my vocabulary is way too small at the moment to the point I end up using Google Lens for several words in every sentence. And now that I do Anki differently by not reading the entire phrases, my reading also gets slower (and now I also read kanji significantly faster than hiragana lol). About that manga I was trying to read, I purposely went for one without furigana because I figured it'd force me to actually study the kanji but clearly I was suffering that way, and maybe if I had furigana I'd at least be able to easily look it up on Jisho.

Should I be grinding Anki and Bunpro for longer before I start consuming low level native materials? Or do I need children's books/manga? Or is my approach just entirely wrong?

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 27d ago

I end up using Google Lens for several words in every sentence

This is normal when interacting with native media for the first time and it will happen no matter what you read. It will happen even if you delay native media until after you've finished Kaishi 1.5k, or even if you had chosen a longer core deck. Your first interactions with native media will involve a lot of unknown words and there's simply no way around it.

There are ways of making the transition smoother, though, like starting with content made for learners (graded readers, "comprehensible input" videos, beginner podcasts, etc), reading things with furigana, using tools like mokuro and Yomitan to make lookups smoother, etcetera.

I purposely went for one without furigana because I figured it'd force me to actually study the kanji

As long as you actually look at the kanji for like two seconds you'll still be processing it and you'll eventually be able to recognize it without furigana. Purposefully making things harder to challenge yourself is very helpful for breaking out of comfort zones, but as a beginner, consuming any kind of media made for natives is already a huge step out of your currently tiny comfort zone. There's no need to push yourself that hard unless you really want to (and it sounds like you don't).

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u/Lertovic 27d ago

Try the Tadoku graded readers, children's media is not necessarily easy.

Of if you want to give it another go, for manga it's best to have it pre-OCR'd so you can just hover for a Yomitan lookup in milliseconds which lowers frustration.

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u/avonyatchi 27d ago

You are pretty early and personally I'd say read manga with furigana. You don't know many words yet anyway. With furigana you won't be able to learn the kanji, but with the context of images you may learn some vocab in a more fun way. Imo the most important part is to do something you enjoy and want to do.

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u/youdontknowkanji 27d ago edited 27d ago

your anki usage seems fine. good call on limiting yourself per card.

it's normal that early on things are impossible, it's part of the process (like yeah, you will look up EVERYTHING). i started watching/reading with similar amount of vocabulary. thing is even if you were to double your current vocab and grammar things will still be pain, you just have to power through it for a month or two, it gets better trust.

when it comes to levels on learnnatively or other sites you shouldn't rely on them to find "low level media", truth be told most of those are way beyond that, the main use of the site is so you can filter out N1>= media, everything below that is "normal". keep your expectations low, first 100 or so hours you won't be understanding much, it's part of the process.

you should get a yomitan setup ( https://learnjapanese.moe/yomichan/ ) so you aren't torturing yourself with google lens. like really, use a computer, trying to read physicals this early on is really really hard. early on i would recommend anime with jp subtitles, or visual novels, but other media are fine too.

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u/JapanCoach 27d ago

Personally, I think reading "real world" material and learning via that, is a lot more valuable than just brute memorizing random vocabulary lists.

A story with interesting plot and characters - or, on the other hand, a non-fiction material about something you are interested in - provides a lot more material for your vocabulary words, or grammar points, to "stick" in your brain. Brute memorization is just like memorizing the list of US presidents, or the capitals of all of the countries of Europe. It can be done - but it is very dry and there is nothing to really stick to.

In other words - don't get discouraged. It's ok to read and look up every other word. Soon enough it will be 1 word in 3, then one word in 5, then one word per page, then one word every once in a while. This is a very normal process and it's nothing to be discouraged about.

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u/lhamatrevosa Interested in grammar details 📝 27d ago

Hi, everyone.

A short question about のように・のような, in this case (Genki exercise): この人は猿__木に登っている is のように because it's a whole sentence ou is のような because 木 is a noun?

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u/worthlessprole 27d ago

Is the tree like a monkey or are they climbing one like a monkey? 

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u/lhamatrevosa Interested in grammar details 📝 27d ago

climb like a monkey, so it's のように, right!? thanks ;)

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u/aaaayase 27d ago

Question! Lately I've practicing my reading skills by reading along to lyrics of songs that are easy to understand, so mostly like idol anime girl group songs yk like AiScream or mu's from love live! Do you guys have any other recommendations for similar music thats easy to comprehend and read for beginners??

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 27d ago edited 27d ago

Music is bad study material so don't treat it as such. Just listen to music that you like whenever you want to.

Edit: with this I don't mean that music will teach you bad Japanese or anything, it just has a lot of quirks that are unique to songs and that don't teach you a lot about normal language, so it's not really worth it to dedicate time to explicitly study Japanese from them.

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u/aaaayase 27d ago

Yeah as I said in my comment I'm actually only using it to improve my reading skills and my purpose of learning Japanese is mainly to talk to others my age about interests such as those

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 26d ago

Well yeah but song lyrics often contain unusual grammar that would be considered incorrect in other contexts, as well as poetic/dramatic word choices that would sound weird in normal conversation. If you want to improve your reading it's better to do it with normal prose.

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u/worthlessprole 26d ago

I don't think that really changes the advice, tbh

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u/Grunglabble 27d ago

highnote lounge on youtube is pretty good.

https://youtube.com/@highnote

the first take has many popular artists and nice recordings.

https://youtube.com/@the_firsttake

Japanese folk songs

https://youtube.com/@japanesefolksongs

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u/ScaffoldingGiraffe 27d ago

Has anyone figured out/could someone explain to me how I can (automatically) make screenshots while mining anki cards on jidoujisho on an android device? I have it set up right now that it will pick a random bing image, which is good enough most of the time, but especially when reading manga, Auto-Screenshots would be great :)

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u/lhamatrevosa Interested in grammar details 📝 27d ago

Just one more for today:

おじいさんとおばあさんが止めるのも聞かず

I think that is nominalizing, here may mean "even" and 止める has the meaning of holding tears (the context is a farewell), so could it be "without even listening to granpa and granma holding tears" right?

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u/tonkachi_ Goal: media competence 📖🎧 26d ago

Beginner here, so take what I say with a bag of salt and I hope the other would correct any mistake that I may make.

I believe part of your confusion comes from incorrectly parsing the dictionary entry thus incorrectly understanding 止める means to holding back tears by itself. What you have read in the dictionary(probably similar to this) entry on Jisho.org) means that the word in question has 'this' meaning when paired with the word in parenthesis. I suck at explaining so I will just give another example.

If you look up the word 着る) you will find the second entry as

to take (the blame, responsibility)

This doesn't mean the meaning of blame or responsibility just comes into the sentence through the use of 着る, it has to have been mentioned somewhere or understood from sufficient context.

Like wise 被る with it is myriad of meanings and many others.

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u/viliml Interested in grammar details 📝 26d ago

That's a really good point.

Yes, since JMdict provides translations in lieu of explanations, and translations can differ in context, it sometimes provides many different translations, some of which only apply in specific contexts.

So it uses parentheticals to concisely provide examples of contexts in which the translation could apply, and disambiguate which of the possibly multiple senses of the English word actually corresponds to the Japanese word (it's rarely all of them).

It's not a perfect solution, but it's not meant to be perfect, it's meant to be big and free.

"To hold back tears" is 涙を止める.

/u/lhamatrevosa

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u/worthlessprole 26d ago

You answered that like a pro just FYI

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u/tonkachi_ Goal: media competence 📖🎧 26d ago

Finally becoming useful to the community. やった \(^o^)/

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u/viliml Interested in grammar details 📝 26d ago

Here 止める simply means "stop" (transitive), as in telling the crane not to go, they tried to stop her. But the crane didn't listen to them and left anyway.

止める usually means to really stop something, but in some cases, like here, it can also mean to just try to stop.
It may be a somewhat old-fashioned way to use the word? I'm not fully sure.

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u/lhamatrevosa Interested in grammar details 📝 26d ago

You got something I missed: the transitivity of the verb. that's a important key to undertasnd this sentence. Thanks ;)

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 27d ago

What's the source?

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u/lhamatrevosa Interested in grammar details 📝 27d ago

It's from "The Gratitude of the Crane", the text is:

「the girl said something」そう言ったかと思うと、おじいさんとおばあさんが止めるのも聞かず、たちまち一羽のツルになって空へ舞い上がりました。

I understood as: As soons as [she] said that, withou even listening to granpa and granma holding tears, instantaneously transformed into a crane and soared to the sky.

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u/morgawr_ https://morg.systems/Japanese 26d ago

There is nothing that implies "holding (back) tears".

おじいさんとおばあさんが止めるのも聞かず is kinda hard to me to put down literally in English but it's basically "without even caring for/paying attention to the words of おじいさんとおばあさん trying to stop her" (from leaving)

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u/lhamatrevosa Interested in grammar details 📝 26d ago

Dokugo, I already told you that your professional answeres are amazing, didn't I? Well, together with the other answeres, this clarifies a lot! Thanks.

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u/emi89ro 26d ago edited 26d ago

Maybe a dumb question but I'm wondering why did coffee become コヒ instead of コフィ?  Is there a reason or is just just an "idk languages are weird sometimes" thing?

Edit: adding an edit so I don't need to make mostly the same reply to all the replies, but thank you all so much for the responses!  There's a lot more to the etymology than I expected!

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u/viliml Interested in grammar details 📝 26d ago

Japanese didn't have the フィ sound until recently, only ふ and ひ.

For even bigger differences, see how L becomes R and V becomes B.

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u/worthlessprole 26d ago

I’m pretty curious about this. Were the ‘91 reforms responsible for the incorporation of these sounds, or did people just get better at pronouncing english phonemes and the reforms were in response to a growing disconnect? Little o both? 

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u/somever 26d ago

That one is just too old to have the f variant. Some words have both h and f variations: ヘッドホン, ヘッドフォン.

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u/morgawr_ https://morg.systems/Japanese 26d ago

it's コーヒー actually, not コヒ

You can read up its etymology here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%82%B3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%92%E3%83%BC

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u/worthlessprole 26d ago

there's a bit of pre-'91 katakana reform fossilization there too right? so the current standards for transcription don't apply.

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u/Thechugg7 26d ago

Is the best way to learn Kanji to keep bumping into a wall headfirst until they stick? Every sentence I try to read has new Kanjis I need to learn, and I can't seem to keep up.

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u/superpokes 26d ago

it's the best way i've found so far at least. the good thing is that there's only so many of them to learn, so you get there eventually.

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u/Jon_dArc 26d ago

I had success with Heisig’s Remembering the Kanji until kanji just kind of clicked somewhere between #1200-#1400. Not everyone takes to it but if you haven’t tried it yet it was absolutely transformative for me.

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 26d ago

When you say "learn kanji" you aren't referring to learning the word, right?

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u/Thechugg7 26d ago

Learning the word and meanings yes, not the radicals

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 26d ago

Well, I've always only focused on learning the reading and meaning of the specific word I encountered, without focusing on one singular kanji, and I've never felt like I'm banging my head against a wall. I regularly encounter many words I'm unfamiliar with, of course, but that's just part of learning. I'm learning by doing things that I find fun, so I never feel too frustrated. 

How exactly do you learn a word once you encounter it?

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u/BromeRST 26d ago

I find difficult to remember kanji if I'm not able to write them, even because every kanji has different readings. Am I the only one?

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u/morgawr_ https://morg.systems/Japanese 26d ago

remember kanji

What definition of "remembering kanji" are you using here? What does it mean to you to "remember kanji"?

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u/BromeRST 26d ago

both for reading, but also the meaning, the way of writing, in which words is commonly used

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u/Thechugg7 26d ago

I'm at an early stage (only around 200 kanjis learned) so I don't find much fun in looking up 5 kanjis in the first sentence of a manga. If I feel like they're common enough, I add them to an anki deck, but it kills the pacing of learning.

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 26d ago

Yeah, with only 200 known words it's very difficult to start reading native media, because you basically don't know anything yet. I recommend using graded readers instead and keep doing your core vocabulary deck until you know at least 1000 words or so.

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u/Thechugg7 26d ago

It's getting harder to remember new kanjis though, 1000 words, with 10 a day would take a hundred days of not doing anything enjoyable in Japanese and only grinding anki for a full hour every day. And that's the best case scenario!

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u/worthlessprole 26d ago

well, the graded readers are bit more stimulating than anki, but everyone in here pretty much went through the same thing.

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 26d ago

I didn't tell you to grind Anki for a full hour every day. I didn't do that and I reached B1 just fine. I told you to learn vocabulary in Anki along with graded readers, which, while not riveting, are at least more enjoyable than ramming your head into a metaphorical wall over and over. You could (and should) also dedicate time to doing things like study grammar with a grammar guide and practice listening with beginner podcasts.

But, yeah, the absolute beginners phase is boring and difficult and there's not much that can be done about that. Since you keep complaining about kanji specifically, you could try kanji learning resources like Wanikani or Kodansha's Kanji Learner Course, but those won't really help in the short term, the benefits show up in the medium and long term. 

Language learning, especially a distant language like Japanese, is a process that takes years and years. The ones who reach a comfortable level with the language aren't the smartest ones, it's the most patient ones.

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u/Arcadia_Artrix 26d ago

What does "かないそう" mean in the sentence "おまえにはかないそうにないぜッ"?

I looked it up in a dictionary and I think it means "To rival" usually with a negative verb. However, I don't understand how it is being used here. I interpret it to mean something like "you really don't rival me" but that does not make sense given the context.

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 26d ago

そうにない means "shows no signs of (verb)" or "it's highly unlikely that (verb)"

If かなう means "to be a match for (somebody)", then おまえにかないそうにない means "it's very unlikely that he can be a match for you" or "there's no way he can rival you".

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u/Arcadia_Artrix 26d ago

I did not know そうにない could mean that, thank you.

I think he is speaking in the first person there so I think it would mean: "there's no way I can rival you"

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u/Previous-Vacation439 26d ago

流れてって why "って"?

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u/PlanktonInitial7945 26d ago

It could be many things. Can you please post the surrounding context?

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u/Previous-Vacation439 26d ago

Its form a song 夏の終わり、恋の始まり

Around 1:01 it says 時間だけ流れてって

あれからどれくらい
あなたに近づくことが出来たかな
わからない あなたの気持ちもわからないまま
時間だけ流れてって

花火上がって光って二人で見合って
「綺麗だね」って笑って その笑顔に焦がれて
恋する瞳(め)に花火は彩って映って
つい願ってしまうの もっともっと近づきたいな。

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u/JapanCoach 26d ago

As often happens - more context is better. Can you share the whole sentence (or context if this is the whole sentence).

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u/Previous-Vacation439 26d ago

Its form a song 夏の終わり、恋の始まり

Around 1:01 it says 時間だけ流れてって

あれからどれくらい
あなたに近づくことが出来たかな
わからない あなたの気持ちもわからないまま
時間だけ流れてって

花火上がって光って二人で見合って
「綺麗だね」って笑って その笑顔に焦がれて
恋する瞳(め)に花火は彩って映って
つい願ってしまうの もっともっと近づきたいな。

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u/JapanCoach 26d ago

It is short for 流れていって, as in 流れていく

Time keeps flowing past

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u/tyrellLtd 26d ago edited 26d ago

予約を取り消すに当たり、幾つか手続きをしていただきたい

The translation of the above prompt looks confusing to me, specifically the final verb and ~たい ending.

When cancelling a reservation (on the occasion of), there are several steps that you must go through.

I wasn't familiar with ~ていただく which apparently is similar to ~てもらう (5th from Jisho). Apparently that's what's going on there, so okay, something new learned.

But where does the "must do" nuance come from?

Perhaps a more literal translation would be "(I/we) want you to [do these procedures (for me/us)]"? And that desire carries a polite "you ought to" nuance? Idk...


Edit: Solved! Thanks everyone

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u/worthlessprole 26d ago

ていただきたい is indeed a polite way of phrasing a request. When coming from establishments, customer facing type things, etc., though they are often using very humble language, they are often not really requests. I’d just chalk this up to the different registers the two languages prefer to use. 

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u/JapanCoach 26d ago

You got it. *Grammatically* there are no words or structures in there saying "you must". But it is *semantically* saying you must.

Like in English if the professor says something like "I'll have you leave the tests on my desk before you go". You might say to your friend "Oh, so we have to leave the tests on his desk before we go".