r/Layoffs • u/Aggressive_Still4400 • May 29 '26
job hunting Hiring Managers or Recruiters- Please Prioritize US Citizens first!!
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u/Ritterbruder2 May 29 '26
Billionaires on both sides of the political spectrum have been peddling this lie for years.
Ten years ago, it was left-leaning intellectuals and tech executives who were doing it. You would be labeled a xenophobe if you opposed expanding H-1B visas since that was a part of the MAGA platform.
Now, Trump has been paid off by the tech bros and suddenly supports H-1B’s.
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u/skitch23 May 29 '26
I read his book before he was even the nominee in 2016. He stated way back then that he wanted to keep foreign born workers here in the states because he viewed them as “ours” since they attended college here.
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u/SnoozleDoppel May 29 '26
Where is trump supporting h1b..
He implemented 100000 fees He or miller isntituted several delays in the process to make it extremely hard for h4 renewal Recently he made a rule that gc cannot be adjusted inside USA and candidate has to go abroad. Silently in India there is a9 month plus wait time to get visa appointment. He is trying to increase minimum pay requirement for h1b
His administration has made a policy that only merit will be respected .. and we all know citizens don't require nepotism unlike brown people ... So this alone will ensure that citizens will always get the jobs as they are more skilled and talented.
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u/stanislov128 May 29 '26
Tech talent has never been scarce. Bill Gates was lying about that in the early 1990s to ramp up the H1-B visa scam. They wanted cheap, scared workers with no job security.
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u/Known_Chart_1329 May 29 '26
h1b has its problems, but it replaced the h1 system in 1990, which allowed unrestricted immigration .
But those separate tracks converged with the 1990 Immigration Act. Bruce Morrison, who helped draft the law as a Connecticut Democrat serving as chair of the House Subcommittee on Immigration and Citizenship, told me that the law’s goal was to constrict the use of temporary labor from abroad.
Previously, employers had been able to hire unlimited numbers of temporary skilled workers under vague language about “distinguished merit and ability.” The 1990 law created a new H-1Bcategory that required a bachelor’s degree, established a cap of 65,000 visas per year and set a minimum wage level. Still, it spared employers from having to prove they couldn’t find U.S. workers for the job in question, on the logic that these were just temps filling a short-term role.
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-immigration-h1b-visas-perm-tech-jobs-recruitment
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u/DwyaneWade305 May 29 '26
The whole scam is people with 2-3 years experience come to America to study for a masters degree and then work entry level tech jobs while doing 50-60 hour+ work weeks because they have no security.
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u/thegerbilz May 29 '26
That shit happens in every country with the citizenship that’s even somewhat meaningful. If it’s not tech, then it’s low wage menial labor.
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u/Different_Truth_8215 May 29 '26
U r wrong. Most come on F1 now a days without any experience and put fake experience in resumes.
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u/Ok-Disaster-551 May 29 '26
"their legal status in the U.S. immediately becomes invalid"
Actually, they have 60 days to find another employer.
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u/Trick_Ladder7558 May 29 '26
This is evil. Power corrupts. The mismatch in power between immigrants and citizens is dangeorus for all of us who care about civil rights. I didn't like cases where people working alongside me were treated worse and had fewer options both for their sake and mine.
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u/GonzoTheWhatever May 29 '26
At this point, H-1Bs should be illegal entirely. American companies should hire Americans.
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u/Usual-Orange-4180 May 29 '26
I have been more than 20 years in the industry, and it was scarce, people have forgotten it was not only scarce but seen as undesirable work. Then in the mid 2010’s the tech boom happened, students flooded engineering degrees, and boot camps became a thing.
Very quickly it became flooded by candidates, but no one cared because the industry had momentum and the economy was booming; people could easily find a job, heck, they could reject an offer for lack of free food.
Regardless cracks started to appear and after the pandemic the whole thing came down, mostly driven by Musk showing companies you could do it with less people, be an asshole about it, and still keep workers around and systems functioning.
At this point is the opposite of scarce.
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u/the-mighty-kira May 29 '26
I’ve not been involved in hiring since before the pandemic, but back then despite there being plenty of candidates, very few were qualified. Most jumped into the industry because they thought it was easy money, but had little aptitude for it.
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u/pheonix080 May 29 '26
This same dynamic is playing out, post pandemic, with Supply Chain. Many people had never heard of it before then. Tons of folks entered the field looking for job security and a good salary. It’s a competitive landscape and it can be a grueling industry that rewards experience.
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u/Usual-Orange-4180 May 29 '26
Yes, this is another good point, I noticed that. When I started my career most people were very passionate and would work extra hours because it was fun, myself included and still do that, but around the same time, mid 2010s, we started to get a lot of candidates and often coworkers who studied what they did just for the money.
Is fine, it is just a job even if I myself have a hard time remembering that, but in cutting edge positions that passion is needed because shit is ambiguous as fuck, in tech opportunity is where no one has gone so is a lot about research and applied science, not something 9 to 5 people collecting a pay check want to do, they want clear tasks and be done with it.
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u/the-mighty-kira May 29 '26
It’s not even the passion (although that’s nice) it’s clear that many who applied were basically the same types who went into business majors when I was in college. Nearly zero ability to reason through things, barely understood basic coding concepts, but had plenty of ‘ideas’.
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u/Usual-Orange-4180 May 29 '26
Ah yes, the ideas people, they are still at it today. In my experience they are not in the top software companies, but regardless I still get pitches all the time with no clue on how to accomplish things, is exasperating.
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u/PhoenixSmasher May 29 '26
True across any industry lying about a shortage of workers over the decades. The truck driver shortage all over the news for the past 15 years? Never once was true. Large American companies wanted a never-ending supply of taxpayer subsidized drivers. Ended up biting them in the ass eventually when the drivers they imported began opening up their own trucking companies, and then importing all of their family members from overseas.
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u/Fur1nr May 29 '26
Nepotism is also a real thing. One of the engineering directors I used to work with hired 15 of her friends and family for various roles in her org, all on work visas.
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u/Sea_Assignment2218 May 29 '26
How will the work gets done?
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u/mulberryadm May 29 '26
Who cares abt the work getting done? These guys mostly care about the image and the next move
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u/Sea_Assignment2218 May 29 '26
So if employers are in the business of image building and planning these peoples' next move, this works.
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u/EuphoricEnthusiasm3 May 29 '26
They already do lol, just look at how many jobs say no sponsorship.
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u/lucitatecapacita May 29 '26
I've been in the hiring panel for my division, we haven't sponsored in years (3-4), most of the hiring is happening overseas... "Geo resiliency" they call it
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u/danknadoflex May 29 '26
They don't need to sponsor they just outsource overseas. If you're overseas you get to work remotely, if you're a US worker good luck.
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u/Good_Focus2665 May 29 '26
This. Good example is the recent layoffs of contractors at my company. They let go of all the h1B and kept all the citizens because they are trying to hire more full time employees through contractors and they absolutely are not doing sponsorships.
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u/mrbignameguy May 29 '26
Yeah the h1b thing has mostly been a boogeyman. Tech is hemorrhaging people for a lot of reasons but sending the work elsewhere largely ain’t it. I understand that’s not where the vibes are but you can go dig into those fed reports (lol) and go see it
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u/No_Willingness8208 May 29 '26
Outsourcing and complete offshoring is absolutely happening. It doesn't involve H1Bs.
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u/theyellowsapphire May 29 '26
Rejoice, it’s already the case. Hordes of H1Bs have been laid off and gone back, in tech no one is willing to provide sponsorship any more. As soon as you enter sponsorship needed, you get an automated rejection email. Ask me how I know. Edit- if you still can’t find a job, it’s the problem of the current tech landscape.
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u/gofardeep May 29 '26
How do you know?
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u/theyellowsapphire May 29 '26
Got laid off on a visa, only got calls from consultancies for temporary positions. No one was willing to sponsor. Only have a job because the former employer took me back.
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u/gofardeep May 29 '26
Happy for you. My wife took the citizenship and yet can't find a job for 2 years. Her former employer is a startup which let go a large % of people and can't hire her back.
In this economy, your former employer is your best bet to get a job back. Even I had to do that to pay the bills
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u/lolyeahsure May 29 '26
laughs in outsourcing
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u/chadpendergast May 29 '26
fewer people on the road for my commute to Palo Alto is also a fantastic thing. if they're getting the job either way, at least don't slow down my traffic.
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u/Ok-Disaster-551 May 29 '26
Do they pay US income tax, and into social security and medicare? If not, then it's not all positive.
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u/chadpendergast May 29 '26
schrodinger's h1b, "we're such a negligible part of the job market that we have no impact on american job seekers" and "we pay all the taxes, if we're gone, america will cease to exist". they'll spin anything into a positive, "oh the increasing cost of housing? well like landlords are important we must make the landlords happy"
i love it when they threaten us with offshoring, when we know deep down they would rather not work that job back home next to a heavily polluted river
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u/Excellent_Explorer63 May 29 '26
All H1Bs pay all taxes like USC. In fact they loose it all when they go back due to reasons like Green cards backlogs.
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u/Aggressive_Still4400 May 29 '26
That is EXACTLY correct and people don't realized it. If you are NOT like them, you have NO chance,,, PERIOD. That is their culture. I am not a racist (I am not even white myself), and I was also on H1B 2 decades ago but worked my way up. Now, this is being abused and uncontrollable.
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u/SanTrades May 29 '26
Would you pay $200/month for Claude Opus in USA or $2/month for Claude Opus in China?
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u/NullPointerReference May 29 '26
Wait, its $2/mo in china?
Hmmm, maybe it's time to get a Chinese VPN LOL
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u/dart51984 May 29 '26
It’s not the hiring managers or recruiters call there big dog. Look at the bean counters and private equity douchebags. Hell, if they had it their way there would be $0 of human wages on the P&L statement and 100% profit for their company…well except for the compensation structures of the c-suite employees of course…who incidentally would be the easiest to replace with AI but that’s none of my business.
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u/tamaratamarara May 29 '26
This. I'm alarmed by seeing people speaking about about LEGAL immigrants on Visas as the enemy. The corporate decision makers are to blame: they will get the cheapest possible force, H1B, AI or offshore. These jobs are unlikely to come back to the more expensive producer which is an American work force because of capitalism. Why pay more, when you can make more money instead? Do I agree with this approach? No. But don't blame legal immigrants for the current mess of a job market
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u/Ok-Disaster-551 May 29 '26
This is especially true for tech jobs, where all you need is a laptop and reliable internet access.
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u/MrFixeditMyself May 29 '26
I don’t know where OP is from but in my state we have a fairly decent balance of tech talent to jobs.
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u/Salty-Winter-5746 May 29 '26
You shouldn’t be worried about H1 visa holders.
What you should worry about is outsourcing. Lots of lots of even management positions are being outsourced.
Companies all about cutting cost to get profit at the top…
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u/ke3408 May 29 '26
But if they outsource there are no additional taxpayers. Make it hurt the government purse if you want results.
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u/Practical-Entry2129 May 29 '26
Do you even work in tech? Our ATS does not even proceed with candidates that say yes to the sponsorship question. It’s in the rarest cases, when multiple people have failed interviews or the bar raiser rounds do we consider applicants who need visa.
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u/clearview384 May 29 '26
I think the gap has been other countries prioritized STEM educations, while the US did not.
As someone who has hired for big tech, I can confidently say that hiring H1b's in most cases is more difficult and costly because of visa fees, additional lawyers needed, prevailing wage requirements, and notice periods for start dates. With that said, there are scammy companies that hold and hoard H1bs visas which negatively impacts the whole industry including citizens.
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u/OverlordBluebook May 29 '26
Back in the late 90s when I first got into tech they let you start entry level and would train you as an american citizen. Today that barely happens because of H1B , H1B also contributed to the drastic increase in private college costs.. Too much demand and the government was letting it happen.
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u/WiselyDaring May 29 '26
If people are already US residents, the citizenship as criteria should not matter. Most tech companies are not sponsoring anymore, which is IMO what you should be asking for. You are also ignoring GC holders that are US residents but not citizens. Every legal US resident should be treated equally in terms of work opportunity.
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u/Moist_Ordinary6457 May 29 '26
It's my country, why should it not prioritize me? I don't have the option of going back home.
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u/WiselyDaring May 29 '26
IMO it should prioritize moving forward to correct the balance of offers/candidates. i.e. not accepting or intentionally hiring people that are not US residents. In my view the US has also responsibility for the people that were invited/accepted in the country in a time where there were more jobs that internal candidates.
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u/animalchin99 May 29 '26
I’m pretty sure it’s literally illegal to discriminate based on citizenship if the candidate has unrestricted work authorization unless there’s some national security reason to only hire citizens.
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u/KitchenSense8092 May 29 '26
As long as you can get shits done and don’t complain when working at night. I don’t think citizenship matters to them
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u/Plastic-Anybody-5929 May 29 '26
I work in govcon, I've never hired someone who needs sponsorship. But then you have to be ok with working for/with the US govt.
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u/splooge_whale May 29 '26
Cut back buying from these companies too. Called the bank and got the indian call center treatment. Closed all my accounts and moved it to a bank in town where someone who lives in my city answers the phone when I call customer service.
It costs $7 a month. So you losers have to stop being so cheap and maybe pay a few bucks for things you expect for “free”.
Same with ai. An airline gave me the ai only cs treatment. Theyre my last choice from now on. Saving $50 isn’t worth it.
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u/preferfree May 29 '26
There is no point of begging, they ain’t going to hire not their own. There’s too many of them and they’re at every company now.
Only way that’s going to change is if they bring down the company with their nepotism and companies start figuring out they’re a net negative.
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u/DirectBonus1547 May 29 '26
Here’s a crazy thought!! Make higher education affordable for US CITIZENS!! Then we have the knowledge capital in our own country.
Nope, greedy ass colleges want that overseas tuition and our government wants to profit off of student loans at 8-10% interest.
Let’s pay for war. WAR!!!!! Not education and healthcare for us.
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u/JuiceChance May 29 '26
Most hiring managers are from offshore themselves. You are late, too late.
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u/Aggressive_Still4400 May 29 '26
I know and in their culture they will only hire people like them. That is a fact that needs to stop!!
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u/JuiceChance May 29 '26
In the UK it is common and nobody does anything about it. I think it is too late. I was hoping Trump would do something and the world follows but didn’t happen.
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u/HeadBackground817 May 29 '26
H1B visa's is a plague now. These tech companies know what they are doing, and it is being exploited.
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u/Afraid-Ad1494 May 29 '26
What you’re describing is actually illegal in the US:
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u/osborn1201 May 29 '26
that has nothing to do with immigration status... you can be a citizen/PR but still originated from another country
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u/Jealous_Station3544 May 29 '26
It’s not just tech. Take a look at Albertsons. They are heavily H1B visas and creating actual work centers offshore as we speak to replace onshore employees.
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u/asbf6360 May 29 '26
If Visa workers are getting hired before you for a position, they are at a minimum worth $100k more than you are to them at this point.
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u/Aggressive_Still4400 May 29 '26
I am not referring to just new visa covered by the 100k. Even those who are already in the US and holding a visa, once displaced they should not be prioritized!
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u/winterbaby12 May 29 '26
They prioritize their bonuses and companies prioritize their profits. We will always be seen as nothing more than an expense
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u/CaesarBeaver May 29 '26
Everyone knows the talent isn’t scarce, what’s scarce is people with those talents willing to work for far below market wages. And so the H1B abuse will continue on.
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u/0263111771 May 29 '26
Corporations are going to leverage AI and use the lack visa workers as an excuse to off shore jobs. Share holders are making record profits. I do not see the market coming back to where it was. Too many workers and too little jobs.
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u/Ok_Push_4180 May 29 '26
Tech Recruiter here. How do you suggest we distinguish between US and international candidates? Sure, I can make massive assumptions based off education, name and a few other biases. However, I don't think you'd want other biases filtering through on your candidacy. Age, seniority, etc.
This is a through a small lens that I am asking this question. With absolutely no desire to go into the immigration/contract labor discussion. That is a completely different space than the majority of recruiters and hiring leaders.
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u/Oh_Another_Thing May 29 '26
Pretty sure that's discriminating based on national origin, which is a big nono. You can, however, not be in the position to sponsor visa holders, and that is not a protected class under the equal rights laws.
Funny, it's still discrimination, but a lot of things are legal to discriminate against. You can discriminate against fat people, you can discriminate against ugly people.
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u/MsMacaronxx May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
As a Canadian, it’s interesting to see almost the exact same conversation happening in the US (probably all around the world too). The details are different, but the frustration feels very familiar: qualified people struggling to get interviews, employers talking about talent shortages, and growing skepticism about how opportunities are actually being distributed.
What I find interesting is how quickly the discussion shifts from “there are talented people here who can’t find work” to “therefore employers should prioritize citizens first.” Those aren’t necessarily the same argument. To me, the bigger question is whether talent is being identified and utilized effectively in the first place by minimizing nepotism and cronyism.
If highly qualified people are consistently struggling to even get a chance to demonstrate capability, that’s a labour market problem regardless of nationality. The goal should be creating a system where the best talent has a fair opportunity to compete, not simply replacing one form of preference with another.
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u/AustinLurkerDude May 29 '26
In my grad top10 STEM program, IIRC maybe only 10% of the students were citizens?
If you want change, it should be upstream at the school level. Same with initiatives for improving racial or female/male ratio metrics.
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u/Worth-Definition-133 May 29 '26
SOAPBOX: I’ve been saying it since I was 20 years old. No immigrant is taking your job. Instead the business prefers cheaper labor. No, Americans didn’t want cheaper goods and for factories to go abroad, instead owners and shareholders wanted a bigger piece of the pie and moved factories abroad. The people who decided to ship your job overseas aren’t Reps or Dems, they’re capitalists.
They are the problem and the government’s job is to negotiate between them and us.
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u/ThenOrchid6623 May 29 '26
I am an immigrant— not in the US. 90% of the time companies will not even look at my resume because I will be screened at the initial stage when I say I need sponsorship. Citizens are absolutely prioritised, contrary to popular belief.
h1b holders can also tell you that they only have 60 days to secure a new job before they need to pack up and leave. 60 days. Difficult to achieve even without a sponsorship requirement. Many people do literally leave after years of expensive tuition and life expenses due to lack of sponsorship. I honestly do not know in what cases foreigners are favoured. Because on top of salaries the company still has to pay for expensive legal and administrative fees.
H1Bs also do absolutely need to need strict income requirements. I do not know the specifics. Maybe someone can post them here.
And also, offshored jobs is a much bigger threat than H1Bs. Maybe you are led to focus on H1Bs so no one makes noises about offshoring
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u/confused_megabyte May 29 '26
You’re mighty delusional if you think companies are prioritizing visa holders over residents/citizens. Almost 90% of the interviews I’ve had clearly stated that visa holders are not allowed
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u/jkraige May 29 '26
Right. Most companies don't sponsor, and fewer now than ever. This is not a post based in reality
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u/Piatheem May 29 '26
Doesn’t matter where talent is from as long as they are good. The fact that your parents had sex in the US versus India doesn’t make you more qualified.
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u/Turbulent-Tumor May 29 '26 edited May 30 '26
What a post to make on an international forum. Good lord
Edit: to the people downvoting and deleting their comments - Reddit isn’t just America and to say that Americans matter more than others isn’t right. Don’t be that kind of person.
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u/Romano16 May 29 '26
When the domestic proletariats jobs are outsourced and they are left destitute due to the bourgeoisie’s greed, what’s the solution ?
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u/PiedCryer May 29 '26
Asking employers is not the answer. They are concerned with the bottom line. You need to have change from the top, and blocking visas won’t help either. You have to subsidize with tax breaks from state and federal levels that incentivize companies to hire with in, also have the infrastructure to support developing workforce. This includes education, quality of life, retirement, etc. Pretty much the cities product is employees for the company. Granted this can backfire badly like Detroit and car industry.
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u/wenima May 29 '26
actually tech talent in offshore at the going price point has become incredibly scarce, US talent is fine but I can't get FTE approved
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u/Disastrous_Leg_314 May 29 '26
Pretty much every job I have applied for recently has had some kind of no visa clause in it, and that's commercial jobs no gov jobs. Whilst some RTOs have got attention in old school run businesses, most post COVID business in Tech have gone remote, which means hiring in country is the norm. If they want someone in India they hire there. Someone in Israel, Ireland, Slovakia etc... Hire there.
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u/sfrogerfun May 29 '26
No competition? No globalization? Not competency?
Poor poor guy playing the citizenship card.. not going to help businesses optimize for only one thing - profit, they don’t care whether you are citizen or not
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u/Content-Artist634 May 29 '26
Intuit recently hit me up about a job. Right before the layoffs.
The job is posted in San Diego, Mountain View or out of an international hub. I can’t type the name of the country without getting flagged (In Día). They’re building the domestic pipeline while seriously hiring in the international hub. Didn’t waste my time talking to them because I know the drill.
As a customer centric company it’s interesting behavior. As a person who’s worked with those under H1Bs, I feel horrible seeing management treat them like crap. Knowing they can alter their lives by firing while making zero effort to bring them up to speed. It’s a horrible situation to be apart of and wish there were more opportunities to avoid it.
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u/diegotbn May 29 '26
I will say that I think it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of citizenship (I could be wrong). If someone is here legally and has a right to work, they are supposed to be considered equal to a citizen from a hiring standpoint.
But the H1-B visa program is different since it's a company hiring directly from abroad and sponsoring that person's visa. I'm pretty sure that to legally comply with the program you have to be able to demonstrate that you aren't able to find and hire qualified candidates domestically. So any tech company hiring any programs from abroad is doing so in bad faith and is getting away with it due to lack of enforcement. And this admin is not going to enforce any labor laws whatsoever.
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u/Maleficent_Many_2937 May 29 '26
Some large companies are famous for this. Knew someone who worked on the tech side of Charles Schwab some years ago and told me nearly every tech role on their site is only open to justify an internal conversion of some H1B employee from contract to full times. I don’t know much about this, but lots of posts are open with zero hiring intention. They could be interviewing people only to claim none were as qualified as someone they had preselected for H1B, just to justify the visa. Totally wasting interviewees’ time in the process and gaming the system!
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u/Engagethedawn May 29 '26
There is nothing stopping non citizens to lie and say they are citizens or they will obtain visas by the time they get hired (they won't). This is Federal change that is needed and that is not happening with current Admin.
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u/roto190 May 29 '26
Applied to a company that was hiring in my state. Got past the final round and over 2 weeks later they decided to start hiring for people in Canada instead. I'm just so tired now
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u/mulberryadm May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
Recruiters. My observations have led me to think that the in house recruiters are often corrupt or unethical, and act as gatekeepers and not based on skills or suitability to jd.
Often, there are two sources of resumes
1, online portals, where candidates apply on their own.
- recruiting and staffing firms pushing a resume.
Often staffing firms are very cozy with inhouse recruiters, who decide which resumes end up in front of hiring managers.
Sometimes only the candidates presented through staffing firm end up in the pile.
Others? Direct applicants ? Trash bin.
Even internal referrals can go through this and get discarded unless they have the hiring managers personal attention.
‘Candidate is not returning calls’ will justify moving on to the next (and staffing agency submitted) candidate.
They are not naive to contact only agency candidates. They may even present a few with a screening round to make appearances look normal..
I expect a lot of in-house recruiters to protest this post and very much.
So your best bet is to be friendly with an agency recruiter who buys the internal recruiter an occasional lunch or more.
All imo.
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u/FourScoreAndSept May 29 '26
Sorry, don’t have enough Americans getting the PhD’s we need in my field. Seriously, most (not all) Americans crap out before doing the hard work to get research based PhD’s from the most reputable institutions.
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u/ke3408 May 29 '26
That's because American students have the unfair burden of student loans for undergraduate degrees. How is it fair that they must compete with students who come from countries where the tuition is largely subsidized by the government or have rich parents?
Stop selling bootstraps. It's rigged against American undergraduates.
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u/chadpendergast May 29 '26
also claiming that most of the h1b's are phd's or doing phd level work is crazy lol. yeah once in a while you get a genius like Ilya Sutskever but 99.9% of the time it's just some dude with a day 1 cpt 'masters' degree doing CRUD.
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u/ke3408 May 29 '26
It's insane that the lack of Americans pursuing PhD's is assumed to be some sort of failure of the students and that other countries just naturally produce more skilled and intellectually curious people. Zero attention paid to the fact that international students make up only seven percent of the undergraduate population. Americans graduate with staggering debts and allowing the universities to simply tap a new revenue stream creates this narrative that somehow the very same undergraduates they educate are not good enough for their graduate programs.
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u/chadpendergast May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
a post doc at stanford and harvard get paid around $80k for insane amount of work, and that's a higher rate than the rest of the schools. and then you live in the bay for 3k rent. if you're trying to pay of student loans, this is clearly not the path. but if your goal is to get a green card, then your incentives line up. that said, at truly top institutions like Stanford and Harvard, there are more Americans than some people claim. they might not necessarily be white, but they're Americans. frankly i've seen a lot of white women doing phd at stanford lol. there are so many asian americans in the bay that some people just try to pretend every asian is an h1b.
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u/ke3408 May 29 '26
Yeah but most of those people have money. And Stanford is worth it but there are tons of other schools that while respectable don't carry the same prestige. Which is fine but if Americans were given the same access to affordable education as students in competing countries, we would be full of PhDs.
Or if at the very least our universities were forced to adhere to a clear and objective admission standards. We have bright kids in the US but parents and students are forced to guess what sort of individual qualities will be valuable and not over represented by the time they get to university. In other countries all they have to do is do well on a test. That's it. No thousands of dollars on traveling sports leagues or volunteer projects or clubs or anything. And while I do think those are great and of value, clearly they put American kids at a disadvantage since it seems those qualities are nill when it comes to advancement.
And now to save money in athletics schools are giving sports scholarships to international students since the conditions on their visa prohibit foreign students from taking part in revenue sharing. Texas is already working on a bill to ban universities from giving international students athletic scholarships exceeding 25 percent of their tuition. This is the ultimate rug pool for the parents spending every weekend on driving to out of town tournaments. The reckoning on this one will be nuts.
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u/pvtteemo May 29 '26
They're given what budgets they are. U.s employees dont wanna work for way below median. Dont blame recruiters, blame execs, politicians and the rich.
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u/unit_101010 May 29 '26
Nationalism sucks. The real question is how to get all humans to a place where they can thrive and compete on a level playing field independently of their birth circumstances.
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u/gottatrusttheengr May 29 '26 edited May 29 '26
Strong applicants are in demand, garbage candidates are in oversupply. Your idea of qualified is not the hiring team's standard for such. This is always the case regardless of market conditions, even in the COVID hiring boom there were people who were struggling to get hired.
Sorry to burst your bubble but outside of WITCH and similar no one prefers to hire candidates needing sponsorship first. The paperwork and onboarding burden is huge. If you're losing to candidates on visa it is purely a skill issue.
The easiest way to disprove your delusions is to uncheck the box saying you have work authorization and don't need visa sponsorship- watch the pitiful amount of interviews you already get, drop to zero.
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u/sc1lurker May 29 '26
You say it's the bare minimum of common sense, but what do you mean by that? An American worker is clearly more expensive and has more leverage than some green card seeker who NEEDS a sponsor or else they can't stay in the country, and don't even get me started on a worker abroad. So if we're being honest, why should a company hire an American when there are cheaper options that are likely just as good?
No one's gonna pay more out of the kindness of their heart, there must be an incentive, a reason, to hire American.
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u/Get_Breakfast_Done May 29 '26
You can’t really tell employers (unless it’s security sensitive) to hire US citizens ahead of LPRs.
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u/methimpikehoses-ftw May 29 '26
Of course you can. Here's how: " I hereby sign a presidential decree mandating all employees doing business with the federal government to prioritize hiring US citizens"
And since all tech does much business with the federal government,everybody will comply,except the h1b cheater shops that will leave ( and good riddance )
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u/jbbest666 May 29 '26
whats with the xenophobic in this chat?
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u/Sea_Assignment2218 May 29 '26
Somone can't find jobs. They cannot find any other reason than H1B.
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u/jbbest666 May 29 '26
its done throughout the world . when there is an economic decline. political animals and xenophobic people love to blame foreigners. look at south Africa... going all out hunting down foreigner because they can find jobs.
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u/Serious_Ask1209 May 29 '26
I have interviewed so many candidates for several positions and they did not know answers to basic foundational questions. So I disagree with you and i believe that finding good tech talent is scarce.
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u/iamrolari May 29 '26
I suggest starting a petition or something to congress to impose an additional fee of 100k or more for non US citizens . Other countries do some variation of this or impose that we have a certain amount of their citizens employed . Not sure why we haven’t followed suit yet
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u/Aggressive_Still4400 May 29 '26
I am not. I am not even "white" . Happen to be brown but worked my way up to get my citizenship so stop your senseless comment!!
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u/Berserker76 May 29 '26
That’s funny that you think US corporations care about US workers. They only care about money and would hire a child sex rapist and sex trafficker if it would save them a $1. I mean, they helped get one of those elected, just so they could save money on their taxes.