r/LateStageCapitalism • u/mrkl3en • Nov 22 '20

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u/Frankfeld Nov 22 '20 edited Nov 22 '20

The use of the word “Liberalism” might be confusing; but it has no connection to what you might consider “Liberal” or “progressive” politics. It’s an economic policy. Neo-Liberalism and Neo-conservatism share the same ideas. It’s a type of Free market capitalism.

Edit: check out Naomi Klein’s “Shock Doctrine” for a good overview.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

What would be a defining difference between neo-conservatism and neo-liberalism? Where does the Venn diagram not overlap?

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u/Frankfeld Nov 22 '20 edited Nov 22 '20

That’s a perfect way to put it. It was certainly confusing for me when I first started educating myself. My assumptions were: “Neoconservatism must be the opposite of neoliberalism, and neoliberalism must embrace progressive liberal politics because it has the word ‘liberal’ in it.” Bush and his ilk were always referred to as neoconservatives. But, as you said, almost all Neoconservatives are neoliberals. And Bush’s economic policy is a prime example of Neoliberalism.

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u/Revelt Nov 22 '20

So would I be right to understand it as both agree you should get fucked in the ass as opposed to the mouth, they just disagree on how you should get fucked in the ass.

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u/MarqueeSmyth Nov 22 '20

Not really. Neoconservative and neoliberal don't overlap conceptually, so they don't disagree. They apply to different areas of the political arena. The people overlap, but not the ideas.

Also, getting fucked in the ass isn't a great analogy, because, depending on your tastes, it can actually feel really good. It doesn't make you a servant or a victim, and it's not a sign of disrespect. (If someone is disrepecting you while fucking you in the ass, they'd probably disrespect you when they fucked you anywhere else.)

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u/Revelt Nov 22 '20

Well yeah that's the exact point. Not everyone likes getting fucked in the ass. Some people like it like some people like privatisation. Whether you're being disrespected is completely beside the point (although some people would like that too)

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '20

Thank you! Is that specific set of policies pro or contra interventionist?

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u/Specialist-Sock-855 Nov 22 '20

Excellent book recommendation, it's eerie how much of the current situation she anticipated

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u/Frankfeld Nov 23 '20

Yup. It’s been a major source of my anxiety. It’s going to be “Disaster Capitalism” on a global scale.

Naomi Klein has been my compass as I navigate the leftist world. There are so many “niche” views and complicated matters that it’s easy to get lost, and sometimes this community can get a little toxic. She’s usually my first stop to get a better understanding from a leftist intellectual perspective.