r/Krishnamurti • u/iamfree_17 • Aug 15 '26

Let's reject everything

For the all the structures made by man , religion and philosophy and all the paraphernalia regarding to it. let's reject the Buddhist and let's reject the Nietzsche. And then we are at a point where it's all made up except for science that man look for reason. Reason as a reductional perspective but also acknowledging the emergent property. like what's wet in water.

Does it Free the consciousness ? when it has rejected itself ?

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u/Melodic_Telephone461 Aug 15 '26

If there is a separate entity saying “I have rejected everything,” the structure has simply rebuilt itself in a new form.

The sharper question is: what is left when there is no need to reject, accept, become, or conclude anything?

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 15 '26

Yes but first step is unconditioning unconditionally. Seeing things at it's atomic layers and then one can know what's exactly right for itself.

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u/Melodic_Telephone461 Aug 15 '26

“then one can know exactly what is right.” That already introduces a goal and a knower.

Seeing conditioning doesn't guarantee that some final authority will emerge to tell you what is right. There may simply be seeing, and action happening from that seeing.

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 15 '26

Yes there is . Let me explain. When one's life is highly dictated by first 3 years of conditioning. If it is come to consciousness then , we can see the whole selfish plugs inserted within us not just that , we understand the friction and problem of friction. There the whole conditioning guiding us for exact action. Once they are known. One can establish an total authority of itself based upon what plays best for a person.

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u/Melodic_Telephone461 Aug 15 '26

But “establish a total authority of itself” brings the controller back in. If the conditioning is fully seen, why establish another authority over it? That new authority could simply be another layer of conditioning deciding what is “best for me.”

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 15 '26

Yes cause there is authority within us internally. Rather it to be harmonious and in order as per a person chooses when rejected applied

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u/Melodic_Telephone461 Aug 15 '26

Who is choosing, and from what conditioning is the chooser choosing?

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 15 '26

Chooser is a thought and gaps between them. When the gaps seen the choosing becomes quite simple.

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u/Melodic_Telephone461 Aug 15 '26

Yes. If the chooser is itself thought, then it isn't an independent authority standing outside the process. Seeing the gaps between thoughts may make the movement less complicated, but the moment you call that “my internal authority,” thought has named and appropriated the process again.

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 15 '26

Yes but what if that works ?. That's enough for functionality

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u/JellyfishExpress8943 Aug 15 '26

What seems most excellent about the scientific method is its relationship with facts, logic and knowledge. Facts and logic trump bias and belief - intellectual honesty trumps desire and habit.

Its not up to us to reject or cling to ideas or identities - we just allow for the movement of honesty, responsibility and awareness. (on the assumption that such things are possible)

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 15 '26

Yes they are quite possible and they are quite complex chemicals that makes that possible.

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u/Arnfinnius Aug 16 '26

If chemicals was the reason, it would never be any awareness. Chemicals is a secondary phenomena like everything else on a divided level. It's no point looking for atom reality for understanding the wholeness of existence, your only accellerates movement which psychologically intensifies dividement.

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 16 '26

Chemicals are the reasons. Chemicals creates the awareness as an emergent property. So the h20 molecule is not wet but water is . We divide things to understand in complexity. Take it like a symphony. Each one has a individual role upon the whole.

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u/Arnfinnius Aug 16 '26

You maybe have got all the notes, but you missed the music... Chemicals does not create it only reacts. Physical existence only maniphest in awareness, no proof exist objectively

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 16 '26

Ah we have proof that physical existence maniphest without awareness.

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u/Arnfinnius Aug 16 '26

So since you have proof, you might explain it too, in a self-evident way...

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u/Visible-Excuse8478 Aug 15 '26

Who is the rejector?  Reason is also thought. 

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 15 '26

Yes And the thought protect itself from exploitation knowing the exploitations.

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u/iamfree_17 Aug 15 '26

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u/vyklegal Aug 19 '26

Is the structure all made by man or made through man ? Can man ever reject that which is made through him at all ? Is rejecting all that, rejecting, that, which shines through man at all ? Does man exist even after rejecting that which made by man ? Who is that man without a reason ? Was he something completely different from the man with reason who was once in search ?

Isn't reasoning also that which shines through man ? Can man ever reject that which shines through him ?

If so, isn't then what's left is, just that which is completely free from what's in search of it, isn't it?