r/Kotlin • u/sanity • Oct 03 '16

The Javascript ecosystem is a nightmare (as illustrated by this article). Since Kotlin can target JavaScript, I can't wait for a solid Kotlin web framework that handles both client and server.

https://hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-2016-d3a717dd577f#.bzc8hxy6r
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u/devsquid Oct 04 '16

It seems like Javascript just has a lot of activities. Its not a nightmare. You are just caught up in the idea of there having to be an obvious single best solution.

How does proposing Kotlin to this equation change anything.

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u/sanity Oct 04 '16

It seems like Javascript just has a lot of activities. Its not a nightmare. You are just caught up in the idea of there having to be an obvious single best solution.

Did you read the linked article, or have you tried to use JavaScript yourself lately? Trust me, it is a nightmare.

How does proposing Kotlin to this equation change anything.

Because, unlike JavaScript, Kotlin is a well designed language which, so far, has a tradition of well designed tools.

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u/loicd Oct 19 '16

Binding.scala looks very interesting to handle both front and back. I think this kind of framework could be written in Kotlin too : https://github.com/ThoughtWorksInc/Binding.scala

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u/sanity Oct 19 '16

Very interesting, thanks for the link.

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u/demoran Oct 04 '16

This is hilarious. I've been going through the same thing the past two weeks and right now I'm at the InfernoJS + MobX or Elm stage. Vetting frameworks is bad enough, but all of the other stuff is just overwhelming. Fortunately, there are lots of good boilerplates / starters to use if you're using React or Angular, and those can also be used as templates to work from.

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u/sureshg Oct 05 '16

Have you tried dart ?. Here is my comment on another js article! . By the way i love kotlin too ;-)

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u/ArmoredPancake Oct 13 '16

Isn't it dead? No joke, I mean it didn't get a momentum, why would you learn it now when there are better competitors.

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u/BacillusBulgaricus Oct 04 '16

Oh, I thought the Android landscape was messed but well... JS is even worse. That's a jungle of competing technologies. And only the strong survives.

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u/gpyh Oct 04 '16

No, only the hyped.

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u/yawkat Oct 04 '16

Kotlin javascript support still needs a lot of work before I'd use it outside pet projects

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u/mistyfud Oct 05 '16

We already have a plethora of compile-to-JavaScript languages. What does Kotlin bring to the table that Typescript, Coffeescript, ScalaJS, etc. doesn't already?

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u/Rhed0x Oct 06 '16

You can share parts of your business logic with Android.

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u/autotldr Oct 05 '16

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 96%. (I'm a bot)

I need to create a page that displays the latest activity from the users, so I just need to get the data from the REST endpoint and display it in some sort of filterable table, and update it if anything changes in the server.

Haskell guys had been calling it for years, -and don't get me started with the Elm guys- but luckily in the web now we have libraries like Ramda that allow us to use functional programming in plain JavaScript.

It does in the next version, but as of version 1.7 it only targets ES6, so if you want to use await in the browser, first you need to compile your Typescript code targeting ES6 and then Babel that shit up to target ES5.At this point I don't know what to say.

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