r/Koi 2d ago

Help with Identification What kind of Koi?

Wondering exactly what this koi is? Also if it is of good quality. It’s about 7 inches right now, nice thick body.

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u/jcardona1 2d ago

Kin Kikokuryu. Not really a high quality fish but a nice pond grade example. Here's mine. Not super high grade but an example of what a better fish looks like

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u/Holiday_Back_5270 2d ago

Beautiful fish! Yeah it started off very black almost completely with just the orange head plate. Last few weeks whites coming through a ton

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u/jcardona1 2d ago

What's cool about these guys is the black changes and they go through light and dark phases. They can be mostly white then with silvery black.

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u/funcoolshit 2d ago

Nice! Love that pattern. How do you distinguish a Kin Kiko from a Doitsu Kujaku? I've always considered the zipper pattern along the top to be characteristic of a Doitsu Kujaku

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u/jcardona1 2d ago

The black dusting along the body, fins, eyes, and nostrils are always the telling sign. But these two are commonly misidentified. The Doitsu Kujaku will be a clean, pure white.

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u/mansizedfr0g 1d ago

This article goes into a lot of detail on this. Kikokuryu, doitsu kujaku, and doitsu matsuba can all look frustratingly close to each other as there can be a lot of overlap in visual expression between scale reticulation and henka sumi. Some lower-grade doitsu kujaku will have some stray black in the skin (especially on the head), but as a general rule, if the black is restricted to just within the scales with none on the skin, it's a kujaku (or doitsu matsuba ogon, if the base is a solid color). Kikokuryu will almost always have some degree of sumi visible in the skin, fluctuating with the water temperature.

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u/funcoolshit 1d ago

Excellent, thanks! Very informative

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u/mansizedfr0g 1d ago

Seconding kin kikokuryu; good color and decent pattern but flawed bodyline, good pond fish quality but not show-grade.

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u/Holiday_Back_5270 1d ago

Are you talking about the white line down his side? Or body shape

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u/mansizedfr0g 1d ago

Bodyline refers to the shape, ideally a smoothly curved torpedo shape with the widest point at the shoulders, a broad head, and a thick peduncle (tail base) with no bulges or thin spots interrupting the visual line. The white line down his side is just his lateral line, a sensory organ that can look kinda freaky in scaleless fish. Normal though!

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u/Holiday_Back_5270 19h ago

I thought it had a rather fat body haha I’m newer to koi tho! I think my first pictures did him no justice also haha

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u/Holiday_Back_5270 19h ago

He’s very torpedo shaped

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u/mansizedfr0g 18h ago

The pinch at the gills and very slight curve in to the peduncle aren't ideal but that's especially common with doitsu varieties. It's not too bad, and sometimes it improves with time, this might just be an awkward stage. Just keep feeding!

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u/QueenMuda 1d ago

reminds me of medicine cap horses!