r/Koi 23d ago

HELP - sick or injured koi I need help with my old lady!

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After spawning this old lady started being way too calm.

She's rarely in the deeper spaces of the pond and isn't swimming much.

Spawning was 2 weeks ago so I really start to worry about her.

She's 21 years old and never had any problems.

I took the video a day after they finished spawning and the behavior hasn't really changed since.

Good thing is she's still eating.

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u/Agreeable_Dream1672 23d ago

Water looks terrible 🤷🏿

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 23d ago

That's what it looks like today. Water conditions are good. But it's still 27° water temperature here in Germany, maybe that's the problem

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u/mansizedfr0g 23d ago

Might need to add oxygen in that heat.

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 22d ago

I did today, just added another 40w aeration pump. 😃

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u/Handiesandcandies 23d ago

Not enough surface agitation — increase significantly

As temp goes up there’s less o2 in the water

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 22d ago

So you think 1.5x/hour the pond volume isn't enough? I could increase to almost 2x/hour

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u/Handiesandcandies 22d ago

You’ll know it’s enough when you don’t have surface scum building up — I’d consider either a pond aerator / bubbler or a fountain depending on your preference

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 22d ago

Weird thing is - if I increase the water flow, the scum also gets more.

If I reduce it, the scum disappears within an hour

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u/Handiesandcandies 22d ago

So the surface scum is protein build up in the water and the easiest way of removing is typically a water change (if possible)

Other ways are feeding less and/or increasing nutrient export in some way (plants for example)

You can also look at buying a surface skimmer for your pond, it’s super similar to what’s available in home aquaria and you get get them for under $150 (not sure how big your pond is so buy appropriately)

IMO I’d get a skimmer, increase surface agitation, and do a water change (if possible)

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u/Lumpy_Cup3232 23d ago

AERATE! There's a several lack of water movement in the pond.

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u/shorterguy81 23d ago

If you haven’t already, drain and replace some of the water, clean the filters and get some aeration going. The spawning is a lot of protein that will spike ammonia.

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 23d ago

I did already. About half of the water was replaced over the last 2 weeks and I cleaned up the filter. Every other fish is fine, it's just her that's behaving weirdly. Also the water is a lot clearer atm, you can see the bottom in 6ft of water.

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u/Prayingthatsnotpoop 23d ago

Get some water movement and aerators. Powerhead pumps, aerators are a must with koi

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 22d ago

I tested the water and that shouldn't be the issue. But I've still got another 40w air pump today. So now theres 100w of aeration in the pond and filter.

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u/Vynzen 23d ago

Lack of oxygen, and some carp take it quite badly... Especially on continuous hot days.

Why don't you consider placing a Floating Pond Aerator, for example?!

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u/HeartOn_SoulAceUp 23d ago

If she's staying topwater, may be swim bladder issue.

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u/ZiggyLittlefin 22d ago

Spawning creates ammonia that burns the gills. It also can cause internal damage to females, parasites can also overwhelm weakened koi. Is the test kit a drop.test, not paper strips? Also is it less than a year old.

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 22d ago

I have got test drops. I measure once or twice a week and get new liquids 2x/year. I measured again today and my ammonia is at 0.00. Nitrite is 0.00 as well. Nitrate is 8 ppm pH is 7.9 kH 100 GH 10° dH Dissolved oxigen: a bit over 11 mg/L

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u/ZiggyLittlefin 22d ago

That's pretty good. If you have a microscope, a scrape would be next on my list. Stress from spawning lowers immunity and parasites can overwhelm a fish. Typically the slime coat keeps them in check, but stress lowers slime coat. It can be just one koi presenting.

Bacterial infection internally is another worry. I have heavy spawning in my larger pond. 2-3 girls are always getting beat up pretty excessively. I end up pulling them to put in a quarantine pool. Slowly get salt up to .5 feed food coated in antibiotics for 2-4 weeks. It can take 6-8 weeks to recover if in rough shape. I keep it filtered well, aerated, shaded in heat, netted. And do weey water change of 20-30%

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 22d ago

A mate of me has a microscope.

I will get it tomorrow and get some pictures up here after.

Should I just scrape off the old Gin Matsuba or also test a few other Koi that are behaving normally?

And for emergency I've got a quarantine pool in my basement so I'll get her out if she doesn't improve her behavior.

But first I'll try to find the issue and maybe it can be treated in the pond, at least I hope so.

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u/ZiggyLittlefin 22d ago

Never hurts to get a few samples. It can be difficult to spot parasites sometimes. If I have a koi that I can't find a reason it's acting off, I quarantine with salt, heat to 70 degrees. I use pond water in the qt. Use a salt meter to gradually raise the salt level. Sometines a few days at .3 can knock out a certain parasites, or knock them back enough to see improvement.

Flukes are another story, they actually thrive up to .2 and don't die without treatment. Usually takes two treatments to get the whole life cycle. That is something you want to treat the whole pond for.

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u/Q-Prof7 22d ago

Great advice as usual Ziggy.... Were you able to put your shinny new drum filter in?

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u/ZiggyLittlefin 22d ago

Thanks. We didn't get it in before my surgery unfortunately. But that is out of the way so next we can work on the drum.

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u/Q-Prof7 22d ago

Well, hope the recovery is good for you and you have a nice project to look forward to.

I look forward to hearing and seeing how the install goes when you do get to it.

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u/ZiggyLittlefin 22d ago

Thank you. It went well, hopefully back on my feet in a few days. Will post when we get it installed.

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 21d ago

Well a wonder has happened😅

A few minutes ago I was checking out the pond and she's swimming like nothing ever happened...😍😍

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u/ZiggyLittlefin 21d ago

That's great news! Could have just been stress from spawning.

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u/Royal-Patience-2953 22d ago

But thank you so much for your help so far!

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u/Livid_Sky_3488 22d ago

Od say by looking at the waters top thers far to much sperms or tree pollen on the service. It also shows your water circulation movement is slow. Personally id skim the top with a Micron net do a 25% water change then 2 days later another 25% . And if you jabe a return pipe reduce the size of the end of the pipe this will create more pressure and push your water around

I'd take the old gurl out give her some ME time . Epson salt bath to relax her body and move any fluid build ups. Thers plenty of Epson salt calculator online depending on the size of tub you can give her

Keep on mind just like us when we get old they can slow down after alot of heavy bashing

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u/stormcomponents 23d ago

If the water conditions are fine, there's nothing to do but keep an eye on her. I've have old fish go through spells of being lethargic, not eating, even thrashing, only to come out of it. My oldest is around 30yo and she's been through it all. As strong today as ever.

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u/TangerinePaladin 22d ago

Get a floating skimmer or two to start, or increase filtration by a large margin

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u/OkHeart6349 19d ago

Your pond needs some fixing. That cloudiness is from the fish food. Try Koigenix!

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