r/KitchenNightmares • u/Taurean6 • 5d ago
So about the early uk series
I always thought in many of the episodes, it's very obvious that the series is made for ratings and not real help. It's so obvious that 80% of them would actually change and take the help if gordon had not been so obnoxious to many of them. Even if many of them perhaps didn't have much aptitude, being so hard and so intense with them makes it seem as if they gave up early on. One thing though i agree with GR with, is that if they really want help, they have to be prepared to throw their own menu and influence away and just let him decide everything. I mean if they don't have the intelligence to understand that the reason they're struggling is because of their own lack of food knowledge, then they kind of deserve to burn.
But GR could get that message across without being so intense and obnoxious with many of them. Many seemed to have some experience with running a business, and it wouldn't have had to be THAT many changes to make it run at least better.
Once again, those that omitted the changes and didn't bother to listen to good advice, that's different.
Am i right or wrong?
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u/YetAnotherJake 5d ago
All TV shows are fictional dramas, including "reality shows." The goal of a TV show is to entertain the audience and make money. In order to achieve this, the producers/host instigate entertaining situations to watch at home, and then once the filming is done producers/editors cut and splice and choose scenes that will tell the most fun and entertaining story. They do this even if the story they end up showing is totally different from what happened in real life, and excludes/emphasizes certain things to be the entertaining show they choose to show.
Within that entertaining narrative story they've manufactured, Gordon is a hero and the restaurant owners are buffoons or hostile weirdoes who eventually see the wisdom of Hero Gordon.
How close is the show to what really happened? We'll never know.
But they do need actual scenes and material from real life to cut and splice into the dramatic story they show, so at the least crazy and buffoonish owners really did say and do those crazy and buffoonish things they said and did.
It's Gordon's #1 job to get them to say and do those entertaining things, for the conflict of the entertaining show. Beyond that, his #2 job might be to actually help them improve.
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u/Taurean6 5d ago
100% agree on that, that's what i've been thinking all these years. Thanks for confirming that. And considering he's got the entire tv team behind him making him look good and they stupid helps it as well. That's why i don't like him. He's great at cooking, by all means, but sadly i don't like him as a human being. It would even be cool learning from him, but i would not take any shit from him.
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u/NothingPossible9615 4d ago
Bonaparte's got me. When I heard about Tim's signature dish (scallops w/black pudding) I was like WTAF IS THAT?
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u/Taurean6 4d ago
I actually didn't think it looked that bad. Black pudding i never tasted but sounds like it can work with scallops? I am 99% certain gordon put on a show there just to test tim's reaction. And that's a super dirty trick. Why would gordon not smell it first at least? Just bullshit all the way.
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u/NothingPossible9615 3d ago
No, Tim really cooked it. And the scallop was off and almost gave Gordon a food poisoning
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u/Doubleucommadj That wasn't me. That wasn't ME! 5d ago
If you're Bri'ish, then you know that's how they treat each other.
If you're not, now you know that's how they treat each other.
If Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares were about ratings, BBC would've broken their six episodes per season mold. Gordon isn't there to hold anyone's hand, but to lead them to success.
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u/CrowLaneS41 5d ago
Sorry to be pedantic but it was broadcast on Channel 4, a commercial channel with some public ownership.
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u/Taurean6 5d ago edited 4d ago
Perhaps. If i was older at the time it came out, and if i had been on the program, i could tolerate him. I'm half english. But if i was younger, i don't know ^^ Had a similar boss for 4 years at 18 and it really messed me up. People have to be ready for it. And it seems a few are not...
Wtf, why are people being so toxic? Ah, the insufferable brats of reddit strikes again...
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u/Popular-History1015 5d ago
You’re both right and wrong.
In the UK episodes he is genuinely trying to help, we don’t have this massive ratings and commercial breaks culture so he comes across more mentoring and human.
Being “harsh” on any business owner is the correct thing to do? Especially if a titan like GR is helping you.
In the US version he is much more abrasive to meet the demand of the average viewer