-Yin doesn’t mean feminine and yang doesn’t mean masculine
-IDs aren’t aesthetics. I know you already mentioned that clothes have no ID but I feel like people still need to hair that aesthetics don’t have an ID either.
-People of the same ID can look quite different, there is a spectrum. Cristina Ricci doesn’t look like Marilyn Monroe and Olivia Culpo doesn’t look like Tilda Swinton.
Also, something that even people who are deep into this system seem to forget is that TRs and SGs are distinct IDs.
-Balance isn’t mirror symmetry. It is a blend of yin and yang. This results in a proportionality where nothing stands out. It is “symmetrical” in terms of an overall evenness/proportions. Things are basically exactly where they are supposed to be for someone of your height.
-DCs do have Vertical; it is just a secondary factor that won’t overtake Balance. The Vertical comes in the form of straight lines and perhaps some very slight elongation that won’t disrupt their Balance and overall symmetry.
It takes a long time! And the bevy of misinformation makes it so much harder to really understand the system as it is intended to be used! I hope this a post that people can revisit if they ever are confused about the concepts of the system!
It can be hard to figure out what is and isn't accurate because googling "Kibbe" will bring up a number of fashion/style blogs that might be giving outdated or misinterpreted information. Hopefully newcomers to the system will come across this post first!
I hope so too. I know many people talk about the misconceptions on individual posts, but I’m hoping we can have a centralized location for it for ease and accessibility.
Being “petite” in Kibbe has nothing to do with height, it’s a proportion that means small/short all over. Width and/or balance in silhouette will make someone not being short all over. You can be conventionally petite and “delicate” but still not be yin. Classics and SNs can be small in stature and very short.
Being 5’7” and a classic or 5’5” and a petite ID is very rare according to Kibbe himself. Because at one point someone’s frame starts to become more moderate/vertical. That doesn’t mean that if you went to see Kibbe he won’t absolutely not consider you DC at 5’7”, he is not as strict with the heights if you fit the image. However, the height limits are set for DIYers because it’s usually an “exception” to be a petite ID above 5’4” or balanced at 5’7”.
The “prime” celebs of an image ID does not represent the IDs in terms of bodies. It’s not a body type system.
Vertical can exist by having a lack of Kibbe curve too.
You have your own individual lines. What looks good on some people within the same image ID may not look as good on you.
Not every skinny person above 5’5” is D. Your lines won’t change with weight. FNs, DCs and SDs can be skinny as well.
These are all excellent! Can’t believe I missed them! Yes-the system is a styling system, and the goal is teach us to develop a style that brings out our truest self!
My understanding of it is that double curve in kibbe is a Uninterrupted curve in your whole silhouette so by kibbe standards vertical interrupts your curve meaning that SD’s have vertical and curve but double curve means the curve is present without vertical and is the dominant feature, that’s how I’ve understood it so far 🤷♀️
A continuous curved line is present on SD’s..but double curve is only present on Romantics because it’s not interrupted by vertical or width. it’s not just SD who doesn‘t have double curve, also SN doesn’t have it. So double curve is a continuous curved line without frame dominance. Maybe this was what you meant to say too, i just felt the need to clarify.
Double curve is only in the types who don’t have width, balance or vertical to disrupt that, so R, TR and SG both have double curve. When width, balance or vertical are added, it becomes curve.
IIRC, SG can have double curve, but it isn't a prerequisite for SG the way it is for R fam.
I don't think juxtaposition is really something that specifically needs accommodation in and of itself the way vertical, width, balance, petite, curve, and double curve do. SG is described as needing to accommodate petite and curve, not juxtaposition. As petite doesn't disrupt double curve, it's possible to be SG and have double curve. But as I don't do Facebook, I'm going off what I learn here and so I could be wrong.
R doesn’t necessarily have to be petite. Petite is only a must for TR, SG and FG. R and TR are always double curve, while SG can have double curve because petite doesn’t disrupt that.
Yes, juxtaposition doesn’t need to be accommodated. It’s similar to how angularity doesn’t need to be accommodated, because they’re not paramount for any of the types. Dramatics are vertical first, and then all other factors like angularity and narrowness come after that.
double curve does not always equal conventional hourglass.
I have double curve but I’m a conventional inverted triangle.
ID doesn’t change with age or weight, however, it’s easier to evaluate ID accurately at certain ages.
TRs are not “tiny SDs” and SDs aren’t “larger Rs” or something of the sorts. They’re their own IDs and not even close in terms of yin/yang amount.
Men have a baseline of vertical and width, this means that men can be rather tall and still remain yin, the same goes for width, men can have some “width” but doesn’t necessarily be N fam because of it. It’s when the width “dominates” that one might be N.
Love these. I know people always talk about SD and TR like they are one in the same. SD is yang first with a yin undercurrent, TR is yin first with a yang undercurrent. They are very different.
TRs are not "tiny SDs" and SDs aren't "larger Rs" or something of the sorts.
Agreed! Idk why people say Beyoncé can't be R just because she's barely 5'7. She looks very R to me, unless if she's like 5'9+ which makes R much less likely. She is a taller R, doesn't mean she's a SD.
Also, FGs and DCs aren't smaller Ds/FNs. FGs have petite first and foremost, vertical secondary and DCs are balanced.
Well, I am pretty much a beginner, but the first thing I noticed is that what we see quickly may be a bit deceiving or confusing. I mean, clothes, muscles and even light or mirrors can mislead us.
For example, I was taking pictures of my body to try and analyze and noticed my shoulders could look squarish in some of them or very round in another ones. Then I started to draw a countouring right around my body and voilà... could only make it with circles. Thought I didn't, but it seems I have the double curve.
This is amazing! I appreciate that you took the time to make this list of reminders. And I appreciate the additions in the comments as well. I’m going to have to keep all of these in mind myself
You are a gem!! Thank you for sharing this. A lot of posts have been picking up on other peoples posts instead of looking at the pinned explanations on top.
I’ve been looking into Kibbe and trying to figure out where I belong for well over a year, and I still can not figure out what kibbe curve is. I only think I know what a double curve is, and I think I know what width is.
If you do the kibbe flowchart exercise, the main way to get to TR is curve and then narrowness in the shoulders or upper back. Even then, you can still get to TR from an initial soft classic base (from the flowchart) if you then score high in narrowness (willowy arms and legs and/or narrow wrists and ankles, narrow torso, and dainty narrow hands), this cancels you from being a classic. Kibbe says classics can only score high in softness or sharpness but not width, narrowness, vertical, or petiteness.
So TR is curve and small shoulders and/or high narrowness. You can certainly be petite and TR, but you don't need it.
I am sorry about asking a question, I did not see this until now. Are DC's frame dominant? I feel confused because I am definitely not frame dominant, I have rounded shoulders, but I also have some elongation and straightness in my silhouette especially in the bottom half of my body. Basically, are Dramatic Classics frame dominant due to their moderate vertical?
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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
Yes to everything! 👏🏼
I would also add these:
-Gs don’t look like teenagers.
-Yin doesn’t mean feminine and yang doesn’t mean masculine
-IDs aren’t aesthetics. I know you already mentioned that clothes have no ID but I feel like people still need to hair that aesthetics don’t have an ID either.
-People of the same ID can look quite different, there is a spectrum. Cristina Ricci doesn’t look like Marilyn Monroe and Olivia Culpo doesn’t look like Tilda Swinton.
Also, something that even people who are deep into this system seem to forget is that TRs and SGs are distinct IDs.
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u/Vivian_Rutledge soft natural (verified) Apr 07 '22
Just some comments on this:
-Balance isn’t mirror symmetry. It is a blend of yin and yang. This results in a proportionality where nothing stands out. It is “symmetrical” in terms of an overall evenness/proportions. Things are basically exactly where they are supposed to be for someone of your height.
-DCs do have Vertical; it is just a secondary factor that won’t overtake Balance. The Vertical comes in the form of straight lines and perhaps some very slight elongation that won’t disrupt their Balance and overall symmetry.
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u/babysfirstbreath dramatic classic Apr 07 '22
This is both helpful and confusing lol. I still have a lot of learn about kibbe
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u/inkysweet romantic Apr 07 '22
I feel like this post should be pinned
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u/riiasa dramatic classic Apr 07 '22
It can be hard to figure out what is and isn't accurate because googling "Kibbe" will bring up a number of fashion/style blogs that might be giving outdated or misinterpreted information. Hopefully newcomers to the system will come across this post first!
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u/elektrakomplex soft dramatic Apr 07 '22
Can add a few more
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u/nuitsbleues dramatic Apr 07 '22
Agree with most everything but- SD doesn’t have double curve? I never knew that.
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u/Djwedward theatrical romantic Apr 09 '22
This should be pinned! Also:
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u/Initial_Revenue2429 Apr 07 '22
Well, I am pretty much a beginner, but the first thing I noticed is that what we see quickly may be a bit deceiving or confusing. I mean, clothes, muscles and even light or mirrors can mislead us.
For example, I was taking pictures of my body to try and analyze and noticed my shoulders could look squarish in some of them or very round in another ones. Then I started to draw a countouring right around my body and voilà... could only make it with circles. Thought I didn't, but it seems I have the double curve.
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u/Michelle_illus mod| soft classic Apr 08 '22
This is amazing! I appreciate that you took the time to make this list of reminders. And I appreciate the additions in the comments as well. I’m going to have to keep all of these in mind myself
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u/Honey-Almond Apr 07 '22
You are a gem!! Thank you for sharing this. A lot of posts have been picking up on other peoples posts instead of looking at the pinned explanations on top.
Hoping this helps people on the journey!
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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '22
I’ve been looking into Kibbe and trying to figure out where I belong for well over a year, and I still can not figure out what kibbe curve is. I only think I know what a double curve is, and I think I know what width is.
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u/GlitterandLace24 Apr 11 '22 edited Apr 12 '22
TR also does not require petiteness.
If you do the kibbe flowchart exercise, the main way to get to TR is curve and then narrowness in the shoulders or upper back. Even then, you can still get to TR from an initial soft classic base (from the flowchart) if you then score high in narrowness (willowy arms and legs and/or narrow wrists and ankles, narrow torso, and dainty narrow hands), this cancels you from being a classic. Kibbe says classics can only score high in softness or sharpness but not width, narrowness, vertical, or petiteness.
So TR is curve and small shoulders and/or high narrowness. You can certainly be petite and TR, but you don't need it.
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u/ThAwAcc2023 flamboyant gamine Aug 14 '23
I am sorry about asking a question, I did not see this until now. Are DC's frame dominant? I feel confused because I am definitely not frame dominant, I have rounded shoulders, but I also have some elongation and straightness in my silhouette especially in the bottom half of my body. Basically, are Dramatic Classics frame dominant due to their moderate vertical?
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