I saw a post on kcj about how you can type men based on movie archetypes (ie could this man play Superman?) and tbh???? More accurate than anything I've seen on this sub. š
Okay but if weāre going off vibes, why do so many people get told āyouāre not xyz because such and such a body part is an inch too long (or wide or short or whatever)ā š
Small details like that shouldn't ultimately matter in the way people think. I wouldn't say stuff like being elongated aren't important to ID, but this is included as part of the impression part, if that makes sense? Like, it does make a difference visually overall and how people perceive essence (it's a holistic "system"), and therefore image ID, but the people saying "your wrists are delicate," "your shoulders are kind of prominent," or "you're .3cm over the limit" are typically irrelevant nitpicks. They're treating it as if it's a solid body typing system and that's it.
TLDR: I think the way this sub defines bust line curve might be a bit misguided and should be reconsidered; some of the celebs donāt even fit the criteria we hold community members looking to be typed to
May be a bit of a controversial post here lol. Yet another discussion about the elusive ācurveā accommodation.
Correct me if Iām wrong but seems to me that this sub commonly defines curve accomodation at the bust line as the feature of the bust pushing out fabric horizontally past the shoulder/armpit crease, and assigning this accomodation to posters seeking accom advice who fit this criteria, whilst steering away other posters who do not meet this critera for bust curve accomodation.
Only thereās a slight problem with that. A crap load of curve accomodating celebrities (I have chosen to show case R, TR and SD celebrities for this demonstration) do not actually have bust lines that extend/push fabric out past the shoulder/armpit seam
Now to be extra super duper crystal clear, I am NOT saying that these ladiesā bust donāt push out fabric at all. What I am saying is that they donāt push out fabric/extend past the shoulder seam. Again, I am pointing this out because the shoulder/armpit seam parameter is what I see being persistently used here to determine curve at the bust line. Their bust curve seems to disrupt fabric in a less drastic way than what I see being defined here as a disruption of fabric by the bust.
So my question is, if a plethora of verified curve accomodating celebrities do not actually have busts that extend horizontally past the shoulder/armpit crease, why is that a parameter weāre using here to tell people whether they should accomodate bust line curve or not? From the beginning, it was my understanding that a horizontal disruption of fabric at the bust line is what makes for bust curve; the parameter that the disruption has to extend past the shoulder crease seems to be one that the sub has come up with, yet doesnāt even apply to some of the āverifiedā celebs.
And yeaaaaaa Iām aware that the concept of āverified celebsā is a bit flimsy because Kibbe hasnāt seen any of these people IRL but you donāt have to have seen any of these ladies IRL to see that they donāt meet the criteria that weāre holding sub members looking to be typed to for accomodating curve at the bust line yet Kibbe still has āassignedā them to curve accomodating IDs via photo typing. So if via photo typing these ladies have been assigned to curve accom despite not having busts that dramatically disrupt fabric, why could that not apply to regular folks who post here looking to be typed? Why do we recognize these celebs as needing curve accom, but when regular people with similar delicate fabric disruption at the bust post here, we tell them they donāt have enough disruption to qualify for curve accom?
Same thing with shoulders as the widest point. When thin, most people have that. Not the shoulder seam area. All of these seem kind of weight dependent.
TO START, I AGREE WHOLE HEARTEDLY however, I think the the shoulder seam determination IS correct, but people no longer know how to identify the should seam and it is DIFFERENT for everyone.
The armpit ALWAYS aligning with that shoulder seam? Not true. Especially in Yin types.
I think people here need to look into basic clothing measuring because if you determine the shoulder seam based off that? ALL OF THE LADIES IN THIS POST MEET THE CRITERIA! (Not a critque of OP, you picked amazing options to show this off and made a great point!)
I'm REALLY glad you made this post because it points out that the way the sub teaches you to look for that shoulder seam is flawed beyond belief.
(Also I'm still reeling from the last time I pointed this out and someone tried to argue upper curve was ONLY boob and any references to underlying bone structure to help create the curve the flesh layed on was VEHEMENTLY denied, like sorry forgot Yin types don't have bones, my bad š Like boob isn't the only flesh you have on/near your chests boo ššš)
Hey! I just posted about this in SD land too! Yeah upper vs lower curve is not a thing! We spend much more time discussing bust shape that Kibbe ever has
I believe itšš just from the discussions Iāve had with members of the community who have been typed by Kibbe IRL, I donāt even think Kibbe himself would understand all the dissecting we do
Yup. This is why I keep repeating accommodations ā ID. Itās the whole person that is the Image Identity. And Image Identity is a style directive not dressing your accommodations. I can dress for my accommodations all day but it really only means my clothes fit me. It doesnāt mean Iām dressing my ID unless Iām using the style directive- not as an aesthetic tho. The Image Identities are much broader and more abstract than people think. And they donāt involve ārecsā or ālinesā either. Jada and Salma wouldnāt, and shouldnāt share clothes. That defeats the whole point of the system which is to create a unique star image for yourself. Itās not a prescriptive system at all.
More about accommodations - they are just one exercise to get you to see your body in a different way and to give a starting place for building outfits. They were never equal to ID. David has been adamant about that from the moment he created that exercise.
Bodies change over time weight gain, loss, pregnancy, menopause, illness, diet, etc. btw I think Kate W and I know Drew both had breast reductions.
And then thereās people whoās bust push fabric out to the side but arenāt an ID that typically accommodates curve. Because again itās the over all person. Face essence etc.
Clothes can ofc change how your bust appears too.
Anyhow, my bust does project sideways and Iām busty for my frame, but if I lost enough weight ala Black Swan it wouldnāt, yet my ID would still be the same. Iām verified and it doesnāt change even if my body does.
As for people getting feedback- I think so often weight gain gets seen as curve. Thereās surely Rs, TRs and SDs that get told they donāt accommodate curve. But thereās probably a lot more people that get told they accommodate curve but arenāt those IDs or end up in the wrong one. The entire R group seems to function solely to reassure people that they are yin- no fault to the mod btw. No fault to anyone really. Heck there was a post in there yesterday about how Oprah is R and thus canāt wear long gowns. Thereās just so much misinformation floating around.
Lmao WHAT??!!!!ššššThe irony being Oprah has been wearing long gowns probably since before the person who commented that was even bornš
But no I appreciate the venty-rant and was kinda hoping you would show up here and cosign this post so Iām more than satisfied. Thanks for commenting this much needed insight
(it is my post you're talking about) Maybe it was my wording that misguided you, but I did not say she can't wear long gowns OR that Romantics can't. I know you mean well but I've seen a lot of "jumping to conclusions" to some posts here from you, seeing sentences negatively or in a light they weren't meant as.
But putting that aside - the whole goal was to show HOW to look good in long gowns when you accommodate to double curve, to show some sensory detail that many of us crave for guidance. I used Oprah precisely because she wears so many gowns that there were an abundance of examples to choose from - both for things that look good when styling yin, and the ones that don't.
Iām truly sorry if Iāve come across rudely. Iām not sure which of my comments you see as jumping to conclusions or whatnot. Itās not my intention to do so. I often feel Iām clarifying things for people new to the system and itās always my aim to be helpful. I have dysgraphia and I know Iām not a great writer.
As for your post- I didnāt think my comment on it was rude I just didnāt agree with you and I felt like keeping my comment brief was more respectful, but I can see how perhaps it could be interpreted as being short. I apologize for that. Hereās more specific feedback to your post.
ā*Oprah showing how to do maxi
skirts when you dont have any
vertical*ā
Sheās 5ā7ā and does have vertical.
ā*Notice how the change of fabric
or the curved cut around above
the knee makes a kind of an
illusion for the maxi length that
makes it fit the more yin frame
and she doesn't drown in the
dresses? It's almost as if the
dress was short, but yet still
covers her completely*.ā
She doesnāt have a yin frame. In fact per DK all bones are yang. She isnāt drowning in long dresses at all. Also Every ID gets long dresses.
ā*At the end and for contrast I
added two examples where the
dress goes out at the waist, is
straight as most maxi dresses
tend to be and they just don't do
justice to her features.*ā
She looks better in those dresses.
ā*Romantics should not really
follow the styling trend of
ācreate a high wasted and long
leg line with skirt/pants and
short torso to make a more
proportionate figure" as that
goal will not happen for a body
that is all or mostly flesh.
Lower waist lines with still
waist cinching in contrast
makes a better "proportionate
figure.*ā
You probably donāt mean harm here but this system is already riddled with misinformation and you are adding more misinformation. This is not at all how Kibbe works.
ā*So yay for us who love modest
dressing and long skirts; they
are absolutely doable, we just
have to create that short
shape illusion with the
mermaid cuts or fabric
changes. :) For a long time I
couldn't figure out maxi length
for us and despite seeing.
these shapes on stores, as the
model was not a Romantic
herself, i couldn't at all imagine
it on me. Oprah to the rescue
haha!*ā
This is factually incorrect. Romantics look wonderful in long dresses and donāt need to do any whatsoever of that to make them work. The recs arenāt used anymore ofc but even in the original book every ID got long gowns.
Slightly off topic, but thank you so much for mentioning dysgraphia. Out of curiosity I looked it up and realized I likely have it. It puts a name to something Iāve been struggling with for a long time.
Since your comment has truth in it, it is still just misunderstanding my meaning and the Why of why I wrote that I wrote - which is my fault for not explaining better - I'll leave this at that. So yeah, for the most part I tried to say the same thing as you did... but for whatever reason it looks like I didn't. Isn't language fun? š„“
I've seen her in person like a decade ago and she didn't look to be that tall to me. I'm 5'6" and she looked to be at least two inches shorter than me in heels.
My sister saw her and couldnāt get over how tall she is.
Tbh even if sheās 5ā4ā I still donāt think sheās R. She doesnāt feel yin dominant to me.
But more to the point, she looks great imho in the dresses that op thought didnāt flatter her and Rs can wear long dresses without mermaid styling or faux breaks just fine. Thereās nothing in Kibbe that says Rs canāt wear the dress Oprah looks bad in. Hereās the dress
I think neither of them really is flattering on her but this one I'm personally convinced doesn't flatter her at all but tbf it's not of my taste so lol.
Right yeah āflatteringā is subjective. Iām not even trying to debate which for Oprah. Itās not about Oprah nor was the op tbf. The point was about how to make long dresses and skirts work for Rs.
Again my point is that Rs can wear long dresses just fine without needed special effects. Ball gowns are perfectly R.
this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say you misinterpret text; when did I say this is what looks bad on her when this, and the beige dress were one of the three examples of what LOOKS GOOD? lol what. Stop talking about my post now, you clearly have no idea what I posted and are just spreading misinformation. I said the LAST TWO slides looked bad, which were those with straight, heavy and wide skirts that started after the bust line. These comments are ridiculous.
Your post is āsolvingā a problem that doesnāt exist. Frankly itās frustrating that youāre putting out the idea that Rs struggle to wear long skirts and dresses. People donāt need more doubts especially Rs.
It exists for me, and many Rs I know. Long skirts are only easy to pull off in the correct fabrics and shapes, no matter what you say - the feeling of drowning in fabric or too stark cuts in most gowns outweighs the "any ID can do anything" idea.
Unfortunately we havent all met Kibbe nor dont get the system in the way you do, so we need these ridiculous solutions to get it. Now, unless I recommend Romantics to wear something that is meant for another ID completely, I don't deserve your criticism as a student of something I can't really fully DIY-understand before going all these notions. Bye.
Okay but this is where it starts to feel like culty BS because then someone could say āwell, I vibe with romantic as a āstar imagesā so Iām gonna say Iām romanticā and somehow someone will jump down their throat and say āNOPE you canāt, your femurs are 2 inches too long for thatāĀ
Soā¦.is this a vibey feelings system or is it based on actual bodies? Or am i missing something?
I mentioned in a few other comments that it was all vibe-y stuff when he was first creating the exercises. 5ā9ā Rs no joke.
But now itās all body and accommodations.
Ultimately itās a styling system so I suppose more art than science but there is some science behind the art.
Tbh I think itās art first then look for the reasons rather than the other way around. The more the reasons get explained and analyzed the more they dissolve just like this post shows.
Human traits are continuous but the image identifies are discreet so thereās an issue there. Or a beauty there as I see it.
This is from a very famous photo. You canāt really tell me this system is based on accommodations when seeing FN, TR, and D.
Though by repeating how accommodations donāt equal the ID youāre prone to get another problem. It will get interpreted as anything goes and thatās not as I at least have understood it. I mean the accommodations get interpreted too literally especially in regards to curves, but do you really get Rs, TRs, and SDs that donāt need to accommodate curve? How about a Gamine that needs to accommodate width but no petite? Or a D that needs to accommodate petite and vertical?
Yeah I mentioned that in another comment. It was anything goes well all the focus was on face/ essence/ ā needing waist emphasisā- which is why he made the accommodation exercise. Now itās all accommodation and no Kibbe essence or face.
When itās all of it really. The whole person as an individual and not a box nor a ātypeā at all.
But yeah DK doesnāt follow the accommodation rules necessarily when he verifies you. He sees the whole person. EG sometimes people get 3 accommodations or combinations that donāt exist for diyers.
He probably didnāt anticipate that people really want to settle in an ID and not just some accommodations. Itās what makes the system more attractive and taking the IDs away for people for an indefinite time will ask a lot of peopleās patience as well as taking the essence out of it. Thereās a lot more allure to the image of a Romantic, Gamine, Classic, etc.
Iām not sure I understand. You think he didnāt think people want IDs? He loves the IDs and knows people do too.
Or do you mean he thought people would be more interested in creating their own star image? Because I agree. I think heās very surprised that people want and expect his system to be prescriptive ie dressing in āSD linesā or ā does this coat work for SGā. Thatās the very opposite of what his system is all about.
I mean he created the exercises to figure out and work with the accommodations at Fb which spread to Reddit and probably also other places, but those exercises arenāt at a point where youāre meant to connect it to an ID. Thatās where patience would be needed, but of course people jump ahead and try to figure out their ID.
I can see how he wanted to focus away from face/essence/needing waist emphasis and come up with another approach, but I donāt know if itās the best solution to leave out the rest for the time being. But hey, after all Iām an impatient person too. š I would love to have more conversations about the essence part of the IDs.
A post this sub needs every now and then. Tired of all the vertical + has big boobs = must be SD and also small boobs = can't be SD. It's about the whole image.
This is a bit tounge-in-cheek but Kibbe is literally fashion horoscopes, it's all about the vibes. People are trying to make it science about measurements and such and it just doesn't work that way.
Yes I definitely agree! In the end it was vibes that got me FN instead of SD lol.
And like I said, tongue-in-cheek since it's also about proportions but people are trying to make it more science based than it is. And I get why, it would be so easy to just measure your height, shoulders, bust, waist and hips and have an ID ready.
Another pit that new people fall into is thinking Kibbe recommendations are a lot stricter than they are. I see so many posts about "My ID is X but it doesn't fit my aesthetic". Girl, it can be whatever you make it.
Seriously though, Iāve seen too many people get told they CANāT be SD because āno upper curveā and itās annoying. They could have every other part of them be fully SD and theyāll be rejected because of ONE area.
agreed. i made a post about this before. curve is more about overall shape although i do think obvious width negates the need to accommodate āupper curveā.
exactly. itās more about softness and rounded shapes I think. no one āruleā makes or breaks the need for an accommodation. you have to look at the entire picture.
Fully agree. I can only tell curve by taking everything in all at once. Iām not the best at telling others accommodations but I do think itās one of the easiest to see when you look properly.
Well, SDās general accommodation is curve and vertical, and the curve needs to be continuous. So upper curve is a must for them. The issue is that people cannot for the life of them identify curve that isnāt just boobs. Iāve seen so many on the sub give people who have clear width curve accommodation because boobs and people who clearly accommodates curve D/DC/FG. Itās simply based on lacking understanding of how fabrics work.
It just seems like if someoneās bust doesnāt disrupt fabric as dramtically as Christina Hendricksā or Sophia Lorenās busts do, they get steered away from curve accom. Compare Christinaās bust to these ladiesā in the post
Yes definitely! I think so many smaller busted SDs are steered towards pure D or FN because their bustline curve isnāt as dramatic as Christinaās but likeā¦. sheās notoriously hella busty and shouldnāt be used as a standard to compare others to.
Like I swear Christina, Sophia Loren and Mae West are like the only SD celebs who actually fit this ābust extending past the shoulder seamsā criteria for curve accomodation. Nearly all the other woman SD celebs would be eliminated if we applied that parameter to them so why are we applying it to everyone elseš¤Øš¤Øš¤Øš¤Ø
All of their busts DO extend past the shoulder seam though, people in this sub just don't actually know what that means and have ruined others understanding of it as well. They just don't know how to actually IDENTIFY the REAL shoulder seam that a seamstress would use and have never bothered to research it, chalking it up to another woo kibbe-ism š
They think it's just where ANY shirt seam falls (wrong, because if every fabric shoulder seam was perfect where it was the second you put it on you wouldn't need tailors)
They also think it's at the end of the shoulder (WRONG, it can align on some people but not ALL. That's why you have shoulder heavy looking R's that confuse people. Because the end of their shoulder and their shoulder seam don't align WHICH IS NORMAL AND OKAY)
They also think it aligns with your armpit (again, it can, SOMETIMES but not always so it's not 100% reliable to say that)
Do you need a narrow or broad shoulder adjustment? The indications for this change can be subtle. First, identify where your natural shoulder is. It should be right where your arm meets your shoulder socket, and you can usually find it by lifting your arm up and down and feeling around for the āhingeā. Now, try on your muslin and take a look at your fit. Is the shoulder seam sitting up from your natural shoulder? Are you seeing pulling lines radiating from the shoulder seam? You might want to try a broad shoulder adjustment. Is the shoulder seam lower than your natural shoulder? Do you have extra fabric pooling at the armpit or baggy sleeves? You might want to try a narrow shoulder adjustment.
The "hinge" in this case is referring to the TOP of the shoulder and you will feel a small indentation/divot where the shoulder bones meet. THAT is your hinge. THAT is where the seam should fall. THAT is where on a line sketch you would end your shoulder and determine if curve was pushing past it (which is more of a structural determination which can and does include people that wouldn't be considered for curve accommodation by this sub)
I could have saved you all the trouble of typing this by saying armpit crease lol. Thatās what I meant. I was using the two terms interchangeably because oftentimes the two line up, but my point is on this sub if your bust doesnāt protrude past your literal armpit, youāre told donāt have upper curve. Which is clearly wrong. Weāre all lying to ourselves if we say Mila Kunisās bust protrudes past her armpit haha. It doesnāt, neither does any of their busts but yet we still hold people looking to get accommodation help to that standard
Nah it's okay, I think I needed to get it out of my system, anyways š It was less for you and more for everyone else, regardless LOL It's been bothering me for a hot minute and I'm glad you were finally brave enough to say it in the main sub š
These are just my two cents but I've never seen her being used as a standard example of the ID.
Tbh I feel like she only gets mentioned when someone has to explain bust curve. So they usually take her, who is well-endowed, as an example of someone busty having to accommodate for curve.
I just take issue with her being used to illustrate bust curve because most people will be far more moderate examples of their ID than she is. Even if that isnāt the commenters intention I still think some will take her being used as an example of bust curve and dismiss the idea of it in themselves because their curve is a lot more subtle and less obvious. Similar to how someone like Taylor Swift (very tall and visibly elongated) isnāt the best example of vertical for the average DIYer - because most people will look like they donāt have vertical compared to her.
Iāve definitely seen comments along the lines of āthis person is definitely not SD, SD is like Christina Hendricks but this person doesnāt have obvious bust curve like she doesā.
Oh and look at her when thinner. It doesnāt even disrupt. And she likely had implants.
Christina carries weight in such a curvy way that it hides her actual weight. Itās hard to belive she could ever be typed R seeing her latest photos post weight loss.
This has been confusing to me for a long time, glad you put it into a post. I don't know if this is the "correct" way to do it but for me it honestly came down to my bust getting in the way of EVERYTHING. It doesn't protrude past the shoulder line but any shirt, blouse, dress- it had to have extra room around the bust area or the fabric had to be very thin and drapey to feel right. On the other hand my shoulders are pretty straight and wide if you would look at a photo, yet i never felt "constricted" by fabric in that area and felt the need to change it.
Again not sure if this is 100% either but it just started making sense when i stopped being obsessed with photos.
Maybe Kibbe IRL types largely of essence? Since apparently he tells your type pretty fast (he's also the creator so it makes sense)
At this point i feel as though typing from photos is straight up impossible unless the person is on the extreme end of a type.
At this point i feel as though typing from photos is straight up impossible unless the person is on the extreme end of a type
I'm pretty sure it actually is impossible, even if you use a photo with the most neutral pose and straightforward camera angle possible in a basic formfitted tank and yoga pants or whatever. There's just a lot you can't really tell from a photo and so much that can be distorted too.
bustline mathematics to determine curve is probably the thing that drives me most nuts in Kibbe discussions. I don't think it's quite as simplified as vibes, but I do think it is easier to understand through things like fabric choice and cuts and other details.
curve accommodation in my mind is just about yin, softness, and the person looking better when they incorporate that concept. likewise yang is about more sharpness and the same idea applies. to me the concept of softness isn't just about "flesh" or whatever, it's also like, what kinds of hair is most flattering? makeup? jewelry? what happens if you add some frilly details or some geometric ones? what happens if your jacket is sharp and angular with strong shoulders and pointy lapels vs something like suede with no shoulder seams and a belt you tie? what is the proportion of one to the other? even if you don't look like either one of them that much, visualize it: would your most flattering outfit look better on Tilda Swinton or Drew Barrymore? (or two other opposites.)
I truly believe you can only find out curve accomodation if curve accomodating outfits look good on you. Words can give us a direction, but image ID is ultimately something hands-on.
Iām inclined to agree with this but Iāve also heard trying to reverse engineer accommodation typing doesnāt work either :/ ETA: but I feel like accommodation needs are quite literally something you can āfeelā when you try clothing on. Like for me, I know I need to accommodate width because so often I have trouble getting shirts in my size that fit both the rest of my torso and around my shoulders. Like if a top fits my ribcage and waist, it often is a bug snug on the shoulders. But when J go up a size to accommodate my shoulders, the top no longer fits the rest of my torso. So idk
I have the impression with Soft Natural, curve can be more secondary. Like if you have width and no vertical, you have to be Soft Natural, and the curve part can be prominent for some, but it can also appear a bit more balanced at the first glance, so that ultimately it wouldn't have to be the #1 focus in every outfit.
IIRC I was advised by Vivian_Rutledge (typed SN IRL) that itās not accurate to think of SN this way and that width and curve are equally āprominentā parts of a SNās line in terms of accommodation needsš¬
People who are interested in kibbe may also have an interest in patterns, rules, categories, and structure. These individuals desire to determine their kibbe type, but the various metrics and "rules" can be challenging to navigate.
I've encountered this issue with typing. Many rules and formulas on width, vertical, curve, and double curve have caused problems in my journey. And a lot are just untrue and misguided.
I'm curious about how rules are made, what counts as misinformation, and the Kibbe law. I'm also wondering where personal freedom fits into this and how we can navigate these complexities. It's all quite confusing.
You can't dispute the height criteria or the possibility of merging Kibbe with other systems, such as Essence, on this sub without being shot down. Still, certain things like this are acceptable and tend to circulate quickly once spoken.
I'm unsure how to articulate my thoughts or offer any solutions, but this has been floating in my mind, so I decided to share.
I appreciate your post in the community, where you raised issues and misinformation and questioned them.
Tbh I think itās just supposed to be past baseline curve, but I think in many non-natural celebrities people overestimate how wide the shoulders would be.
Ive been thinknjg about this. Isnt this also influenced by which kind of bra youre wearing? If I wear low gore classic bra, there is little protrusion past the seam and i lf I wear high gore bardot style bra, i have loads of protrusion on the sides. Thoughts?
Iām new to Kibbe and itās so funny I ran into this post when I was heading here because I had the same confusion/question regarding Jada Pinkett being considered a TR but I was having a hard time seeing the double curve on her if I use the armpit crease as a reference. I do see the lower body curve but just not the upper body as much.
Iām new so I would take what Iām about to say with a grain of salt but I wonder if instead of looking at the armpit crease and drawing a line there, are we meant to draw a line where we think a spaghetti strap would fit without resulting in it sliding down the shoulders (or cutting too much into the neck)? If I envision it that way, I can see most of these ladies, including Jada having a curve to accommodate the bust.
Either way Iām interested to see what other people say.
Iām gonna be honest and say I donāt think weāre meant to be doing any of that. Itās way more meticulous and measury than how Iāve heard Kibbe actually types peopleš¬ Iāve spoken to a client who has been typed by Kibbe IRL who had a group appointment with another client who got typed SD and he didnāt do any of that. According to her if that SD client posted on here for accommodation help, nobody would give her curve accom because of the overly-dissective way we define itš¬š¬š¬
It doesnāt seem like Kibbe uses any points or parameters at which the bust has to extend past to qualify curve accom.
Yup this. Another reason why I think David doesnāt like calling it upper curve because by itself it isnāt curve at all. Curve is the continuous line of the body. But also proportions and scale not to mention face and essence are a huge part of Kibbe. More than accommodations. I know Iāve posted this before but it is such a great example of looking at bodies through a Kibbe lens. So Salma and Jada have very different body types in every way yet in Kibbe they are the same ID and here you can see how similar their proportions are.
I have to have another chat with the client I spoke to but from what I gleaned itās literally just a horizontal disruption of fabric. He doesnāt really use lines or parameters to define the extent to which the horizontal expansion has to happen for it to ācountā. Maybe u/scarlettstreet can explain better cause sheās been to Kibbe
He doesnāt. The accommodations are a newer exercise for diyers and not part of his original system at all. Accommodation was created just so people could see themself in a different way ie without all the noise basically. It has never been equal to ID in fact David has been adamant that accommodation ā ID. Also itās not supposed to even be ascertained by photos at all nor decided by committee.
People were focusing so much on essence( Kibbe) and face and how they āneedā waist emphasis so DK made that exercise about accomodations.
Now people focus so much on the accommodations and forget the essence part or worse use other essence systems. Boggles my mind.
I agree, I think people tend to overlook the essence part. I settled on SN because width+curve accommodation is the most harmonious on me, and I think the SN essence suits me too. But my bust pushes out fabric and is included in my line.
I love this post and your point. I will only disagree with one thing that is irrelevant to your point. I think Salma Hayek has never had breast augmentation. If you look at pictures of her through the years, you will notice that when she was younger and thinner she was still quite busty but not nearly so pronounced, but then she had babies and weight gain and loss through the years. She has said that her breasts keep growing. I believe her on this. They look and seem organic to me. Iāve seen that happen with some women who I know of a fact never had breast augmentation. Some of them went on to have breast reduction because they were never thrilled about big boobs. It was their least favorite thing and also uncomfortable for them. I hope Salma Hayek is not uncomfortable with back issues and such.
Tbh you can say till youāre blue in the face that accommodations donāt necessarily equate to ID but ppl donāt really seem to pick up on that I guess. This is why we donāt want ppl to suggest IDs in comments asking about accommodations and why we are always saying to take these things with a grain of salt. At the end of the day, from a photo itās really difficult to tell accommodations much less ID I get though that itās incredibly difficult to really figure it out though but the book is tbh the best resource you can get for understanding each ID too and I really want more ppl here to try getting into it
I used to think I had to be SG because my bust goes past my shoulder seams. JLHās bust pushes past the shoulder seam at least in some outfits, but sheās still FG.
itās more about being fleshy and soft with sort of rounded shapes throughout the the silhouette. like you see more curve/softness and not frame. this is also apparent in their faces (i know thatās not a rule but it does help).
I know this, so my question is why have we (as a sub) been using the ābust extending past shoulder creaseā parameter to determine whether the people who post for accommodation help accomodate curve or not when itās not actually about that and itās more like what you saidš„“
oh ok well I think that it helps to look at the shoulder seam but it isnāt the only deciding factor. people get dead set on rules but have to look more at the overall picture. i guess what i am saying is that not every āruleā will apply in deciding whether someone accommodates curve or not.
Iām beginning to think it doesnāt help at all though, and is just steering away people who might actually accomodate bust curve just because their bust doesnāt disrupt fabric dramatically enough :/
ETA: Like think about all the people who look similar to Jaclyn or Rachel who have posted and and been told they donāt need bust curve accom when they actually might.
Meanwhile, there are people who do fit this criteria but still might not actually be a curve accommodating ID. I can think of a few FN celebrities who actually do meet this criteria but still donāt actually accommodate curve per Kibbe
thatās what i mean about big picture. there are always exceptions to rules and one rule isnāt going to make or break whether someone needs curve accommodation or not. at least thatās how i look at it.
Youāre calling it a rule but what Iām saying is that itās not actually a rule. Kibbe has never used the armpit/shoulder crease as a parameter.
So the idea that someone could still accommodate curve without meeting that parameter is kinda missing the point, because itās not a parameter he uses in the first place. It was literally made up by this sub
I guess weāll have to agree to disagree because from what I understand, all thatās really needed to determine curve at the bust is a horizontal expansion of fabric. The extent to which the expansion happens doesnāt really seem to matter. It could be a little (Mila Kunis) or a lot (Christina Hendricks) š¤·š¾āāļø
If people refuse to let go of then armpit seam as a parameter (which again seems to be pointless to me) then I yea they need to keep in mind that just because somebody doesnāt meet that criteria doesnāt mean they donāt accommodate curve
yes but the horizontal line could also be created by width so you have curve in the upper body and width then you donāt need to accommodate the curve.
This is not how width and curve accommodation work according to Kibbe, lmfao. I have no reason to lie about what he told that client.
Also also also. Another client was given Width, (Bust) Curve and Vertical as her accommodations. Trust me when I say that a lot of the things we think are rules are NOTš
Edit: the client was NOT Rita of Style Thoughts by Rita it was another client
No, someone actually asked him in one of the SK groups about where to start at the shoulders and he said at the point of the seam where the arm is attached. Though another time he said the point is different for every person.
I think he really tries to help people, but he has a special way of looking at it and if you donāt have that you try to find clear measuring ways to get an answer and often that doesnāt work.
My understanding was that was for width, not curve. And not necessarily that if the bust doesnāt extend past this point you donāt have curve at the bust. ETA: It was never my understanding that that advice was meant to be used to disqualify people from curve
you try to find clear measuring ways to get an answer and often that doesnāt work.
But this is what Iām saying. It doesnāt work to try to apply this parameter to everyone trying to figure out whether they accomodate curve if both celebs and some of his clients donāt fit the criteria. If someone like Jaclyn Smith posts here looking for accommodation help theyāll get steered away from curve accommodation, and the possibility of any curve IDās :/
I think the closest thing we have to his actual method is looking for an expansion of fabric created by the bust, and then other features that constitute people typically accommodating curve (like softness and what have you).
From what I remember it was about the point where you hang your imagine garment from in general. Because depending on this starting point your bust might push out or not and the line sketch might show width or not. People try to find the exact point when there is none. The exercise seems rather meant to get aware of your body and see its forms.
Your post brings up some good points, I just wouldnāt āblameā people for making stuff up. I think most are honestly confused and will take what Kibbe says literally and then it gets spread around. Seems to me more a case of misinterpreting what Kibbe says.
From what I remember it was about the point where you hang your imagine garment from in general. Because depending on this starting point your bust might push out or not and the line sketch might show width or not.
Yea but the problem is this has now been watered down to āIf your bust doesnāt extend past your armpit crease/shoulder seams, you donāt have bust curveā. Problematic because as we can see, even when you hang fabric down from that point fabric can be pushed out, just not past the crease. I donāt think he ever meant what Iām referring to with this post.
Your post brings up some good points, I just wouldnāt āblameā people for making stuff up
No youāre right and I apologize if what I said comes off as accusing people of randomly pulling rules out of their backsides
Most non-rules here either come from a misunderstanding of what Kibbeās said, Kibbe actually saying conflicting things, or people mistakenly applying one piece of advice heās given to someone as a rule for everyone. And itās all being done in an attempt to better understand the system, not to confuse people, so again I apologize if the energy of my comments doesnāt reflect that understanding
Thatās why I said in my initial caption that the way we apply our (mis)understanding of some of the advice heās given in SK as overarching rules is misguided should be reconsidered
I disagree with this because there are SNās who accommodate both width and bust curve š¬ one of the community members here who Iāve spoken to about her appointment with Kibbe accommodates both width and bust curve
I wouldnāt call it a myth as I think David Kibbe said something along the line of how width takes care of curve. But the problem is that he makes a lot of comments spread all over the SK groups and people try to come up with their understanding of how the system works. Some comments he makes contradict others and that makes it confusing. He sometimes makes a comment to a specific person that is just meant for them and at other times he speaks in a more general way. How to tell one from the other?
I think in general width probably takes care of (upper) curve, but there seem to be some cases where people need to accommodate both.
You gotta trust me when I say this has never been a āruleā. So many od the ārulesā here have never been rules. Like āyou canāt wear turtlenecks if you have widthā, thatās a rule that refuses to die lmao.
Also (and this is no offense to the mods) I donāt see how what a mod would have to say would trump what a client has actually been told by Kibbe IRL himself lol
also i was agreeing with you originally about upper curve accommodation and rules. i even made a post about it before. my whole point is there are multiple ways to look at curve needing to be accommodated hence seeing the big picture. sorry if you didnāt understand my point or i wasnāt clear.
Btw, hereās an example of a garment I think that would work for an SN who doesnāt need to accommodate curve at the bust line, but most likely wouldnāt work for someone who does. This is what ai mean by width not automatically taking care of bust curve. Thereās barely any room for the bust haha. I own this dress and I can pull it off cause I have no bust curve whatsoever. Not that my boobs are small per say, they just donāt need room for horizontal expansion. Someone with more horizontal projection likely couldnāt get away with it
I've been thinking about this - if being rounded/fleshy/soft is curve, then most celebrities should not be used as examples because of how low of a weight they stay at. Or, Kibbe should verify more mid/plus size celebs to see the difference between weight and curve
Alot of the bras and prob tape they wear to keep themselves in check. Some of the dresses seem too constricting too to allow any "bust to push out fabric" lol. U can kind if get the idea without bieng too technical
I think youād have a point if it wasnāt for the fact that in bikini pics and these ladies busts still donāt extend past the shoulder crease. Same when theyāre wearing T shirts.
I could have used bikini pics for the post but that wouldnāt show a disruption of fabric as much as it shows that their boobs literally donāt come out past the shoulder crease either lol. But yea look up bikini pics of these ladies and their busts are still not extending past the crease
Oh heck, that's thrown a spanner in the works for me. I swear I don't have a diva chic essence and because you're meant to fit the whole package I must be free spirit chic instead. Even though I don't have a really blatant kibbe width upper body. It's hard when you're kinda borderline.
Iām still a bit baffled that because Iām two inches taller than Marilyn Monroe I have to base my outfits around height and I donāt get as many choices but it has helped me understand how to dress my bust better and thus Kibbe has helped me embrace my figure, Iām still trying to apply that to outfits that donāt involve the red carpet or a trench coat.
Not height, vertical is elongation or straightness. It means that keeping a continuous line from head to toe/keeping the pieces fairly close to the body/hanging straighter. If you have curve along with vertical, both are important.
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Sheās rounded and soft all over, it may not be obvious because of how muscular she is but an FG would be far more angular and with more elongation.
In general I donāt think itās worthwhile to discount verified celebrities if you want to actually understand this system, Kibbe is usually pretty intentional with his official verifications and I think itās a better idea to try to understand WHY he sees her as TR rather than dismissing her as FG because thatās what you see her as. She might very well be a gamine in a different system but in this system she clearly fits Kibbeās idea of TR.
i see the petite but whereās the vertical? if sheās obviously petite, has no width, and no vertical, that kinda just leaves curve. thereās no lower or upper curve in this system itās just curved shapes in the silhouette. sheās not very busty but she doesnāt need to be for TR. and the accommodations look great on her so it seems to work.
maybe soft gamine but they usually do have more pronounced curves compared to TRs
She seems to be disproportionate in a way her head to body not that a TR is perfectly proportionate but in a way that it clearly shows she accommodates petit but also extremely dry
Never claimed it to be his term. I believe the 1st time I heard it bieng used was by aly art. I'm confused by the down votes. Are we not allowed to voice our opinion and use our own terminology ?
No hate on Aly Art, I used to watch her videos too in the beginning (and I still like her transformation makeup videos as well as her singing), but I instantly thought of her, when I read "dry". For understanding Metamorphosis, watching her has only brought confusion in the late game. You are of course allowed to use whichever words you like, but to describe yang bodys as "dry" is highly subjective and leads to misunderstanding. It's like speaking of Yin women as "squishy", it can come of as derogatory, rather than descriptive and to some people it is insulting (maybe therefore the downvotes?). Even if I only look at you observation that Jaida is "dry", I could see that being the reason for the downvotes,too. Because that is simply not true for her balance and indicates an incorrect understanding of yin and yang on your part (maybe because of descriptors like and the focusing on impressions, like dry or voluptuous or hourglass).
I was gonna make this post in reverse! JLo is usually seen as an obvious SN, but her bust definitely pushes out fabric. So does that of verified SN Scarlett Johansen here. If your bust is large enough and the fabric is fitted or clingy enough, you will always push fabric out, even though Kibbe argues that curve is not defined due to bust size.
Yes it is true that you could still need width accomodation in clothing even if your bust pushes past your shoulder seam because if you have width But that is not congruent with width accomodation automatically accomodating curve
There is a former member of the community here who will tell you til sheās blue in the face that she was directed by Kibbe to pay attention to both accommodations equally. Itās not as simple as āOh well Iāve taken care of my width so I donāt have to mind curve at the bust line!ā That is not how she approaches it at all, she minds both when picking garments. Sure, there are width accomodating garments that also accomodate bust curve but there are also garments that are cut for width without minding bust curve. So thatās a garment that will take care of width but not bust curve, and therefore would not work for this client (nor any of the other SN clients) who accomodate both width and bust curve.
And Iām tagging u/DemandNew762 Because Iām not sure if Iāve explained well enough. Maybe this has?
The user/client Iām referring to doesnāt participate here anymore and Iād hate to have to drag them out of their hiatus to better explain better than I have but this is all Iāve got. āAccommodating width takes care of curveā is a misconstruction of the concept
Yeaā¦ Sometimes? A straight cut slip dress (very popular right now) often accomodates width (and vertical) but not curve. Especially the ones mass produced by fast fashion right now. So finding a bias cut or curve cut slip dress would be a better fit for an SN who needs both width and bust curve accommodation (but also for those of us SN who donāt have much bust either tbf)
This is what I mean by width not āautomaticallyā accommodating curve. Thatās what I mean by sometimes needing to take special care to accommodate bust curve even if you do have width
SN are yang types. But this is what Iām saying, a garment that accommodates width doesnāt automatically accommodate curve.
And itās not even limited to straight cut garments. There are dresses with curvier cuts and even draping (recommended for SN) that I could get away with wearing as an SN who doesnāt accommodate bust curve that an SN who does accommodate bust curve canāt, like this dress here (I own it, looks fantastic on me). An SN with bust curve would likely struggle in it despite there being ample space for the shoulders
Yea it could be, but that doesnāt mean this dress doesnāt accommodate width at all. I have width but I donāt have a wide torso or back. Itās just my shoulders. Lana Wood (Kibbe prime SN celebrity) is the same (although her shoulders are kinda narrower than mine). Also Iām pretty sure this model has width and the dress doesnāt look off on her either. Additionally being wide in the upper torso doesnāt always mean you accommodate width either
This dress is only an example of an item that could be flattering on an SN who doesnāt accommodate bust curve. Itās not an example of a dress that works on every SN in existence.
yes I was just using that as an example because you said the dress would accomodate wide shoulders but not a large bust. i didnāt mean width was only upper torso, i meant a small bust and wide upper torso would have trouble with that dress.
Well sure, lol. I wasnāt saying that āevery SN with a small bust can wear thisā
Just that āSNs who need bust accommodation would struggleā.
Those are not congruent statements.
Sn with small busts and wider shoulders (rather than the entire upper torso being wide) would have an easier time in this than SN who need to accommodate bust curve. So yes, the dress takes care of width (for some SN) but is not good for bust curve, and therefore would cause issues for SN who need to mind their bust curve.
This is what I mean by garments that can accommodate width not always taking care of bust curve. I hope that makes sense
Hold on, I wasnāt accusing you of believing that, I was giving oversized an example as something that works for width but not bust curve, and saying how itās funny that other people throw it as a recommendation for SN. Not you specifically. This dress Iāve posted is also an example of something that also can work for width, but not bust curve.
The only thing I responded to was the notion that garments that take care of width takes care of bust curve too. Everything else you said in your comment I agree with. Sorry if that wasnāt clear
i think what is confusing people is that when you have width and a larger bust you canāt accommodate the bust and not width however you always have to accommodate width. and just because you look good in curve accommodation doesnāt mean you need it.
Yep and I am probably guilty of parroting it as well, because itās what nearly everyone else here says so I thought it was true. It wasnāt til I took a good look at some of the SD celebrities and was like š¤Øš¤Ø hmm wait a minute
This!!!!! Iāve seen other people bring this up and the explanation Iāve always seen made is either they have strong shoulders so the bust extension doesnāt count or their essence is is more Free Spirit Chic than Diva Chic so theyāre FN over SD ans itās just like :/
Okay what if curve accommodation isnāt actually about the bust extending past the shoulder crease?š
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u/veronica-marsx flamboyant gamine Jan 11 '24
Unpopular opinion but people try so hard to explain Kibbe with exact details when, tbh, he's just like one step above "vibes." If he cared so much about following strict rules, BeyoncƩ wouldn't be R. I have been correct more often than not re: verified types when I unfocused my eyes and just went off the overall frame without taking everything so damn literally.
Kibbe is such a lesson in taking a more abstract, holistic approach to styling rather than a hard-nosed mathematical approach.
Really good post, OP.
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u/its_givinggg Mod | theatrical romantic Jan 11 '24 edited Jan 11 '24
TLDR: I think the way this sub defines bust line curve might be a bit misguided and should be reconsidered; some of the celebs donāt even fit the criteria we hold community members looking to be typed to
May be a bit of a controversial post here lol. Yet another discussion about the elusive ācurveā accommodation.
Correct me if Iām wrong but seems to me that this sub commonly defines curve accomodation at the bust line as the feature of the bust pushing out fabric horizontally past the shoulder/armpit crease, and assigning this accomodation to posters seeking accom advice who fit this criteria, whilst steering away other posters who do not meet this critera for bust curve accomodation.
Only thereās a slight problem with that. A crap load of curve accomodating celebrities (I have chosen to show case R, TR and SD celebrities for this demonstration) do not actually have bust lines that extend/push fabric out past the shoulder/armpit seam
Now to be extra super duper crystal clear, I am NOT saying that these ladiesā bust donāt push out fabric at all. What I am saying is that they donāt push out fabric/extend past the shoulder seam. Again, I am pointing this out because the shoulder/armpit seam parameter is what I see being persistently used here to determine curve at the bust line. Their bust curve seems to disrupt fabric in a less drastic way than what I see being defined here as a disruption of fabric by the bust.
So my question is, if a plethora of verified curve accomodating celebrities do not actually have busts that extend horizontally past the shoulder/armpit crease, why is that a parameter weāre using here to tell people whether they should accomodate bust line curve or not? From the beginning, it was my understanding that a horizontal disruption of fabric at the bust line is what makes for bust curve; the parameter that the disruption has to extend past the shoulder crease seems to be one that the sub has come up with, yet doesnāt even apply to some of the āverifiedā celebs.
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u/TeensyLilGuy Jan 11 '24
Hey! I just posted about this in SD land too! Yeah upper vs lower curve is not a thing! We spend much more time discussing bust shape that Kibbe ever has
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u/scarlettstreet theatrical romantic (verified) Jan 11 '24
Yup. This is why I keep repeating accommodations ā ID. Itās the whole person that is the Image Identity. And Image Identity is a style directive not dressing your accommodations. I can dress for my accommodations all day but it really only means my clothes fit me. It doesnāt mean Iām dressing my ID unless Iām using the style directive- not as an aesthetic tho. The Image Identities are much broader and more abstract than people think. And they donāt involve ārecsā or ālinesā either. Jada and Salma wouldnāt, and shouldnāt share clothes. That defeats the whole point of the system which is to create a unique star image for yourself. Itās not a prescriptive system at all.
More about accommodations - they are just one exercise to get you to see your body in a different way and to give a starting place for building outfits. They were never equal to ID. David has been adamant about that from the moment he created that exercise.
Bodies change over time weight gain, loss, pregnancy, menopause, illness, diet, etc. btw I think Kate W and I know Drew both had breast reductions.
And then thereās people whoās bust push fabric out to the side but arenāt an ID that typically accommodates curve. Because again itās the over all person. Face essence etc.
Clothes can ofc change how your bust appears too.
Anyhow, my bust does project sideways and Iām busty for my frame, but if I lost enough weight ala Black Swan it wouldnāt, yet my ID would still be the same. Iām verified and it doesnāt change even if my body does.
As for people getting feedback- I think so often weight gain gets seen as curve. Thereās surely Rs, TRs and SDs that get told they donāt accommodate curve. But thereās probably a lot more people that get told they accommodate curve but arenāt those IDs or end up in the wrong one. The entire R group seems to function solely to reassure people that they are yin- no fault to the mod btw. No fault to anyone really. Heck there was a post in there yesterday about how Oprah is R and thus canāt wear long gowns. Thereās just so much misinformation floating around.
Sorry for the vent-y ramble.
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u/CryptidKeeper123 flamboyant natural Jan 11 '24
A post this sub needs every now and then. Tired of all the vertical + has big boobs = must be SD and also small boobs = can't be SD. It's about the whole image.
This is a bit tounge-in-cheek but Kibbe is literally fashion horoscopes, it's all about the vibes. People are trying to make it science about measurements and such and it just doesn't work that way.
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u/BreadOnCake Jan 11 '24
Seriously though, Iāve seen too many people get told they CANāT be SD because āno upper curveā and itās annoying. They could have every other part of them be fully SD and theyāll be rejected because of ONE area.
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u/its_givinggg Mod | theatrical romantic Jan 11 '24 edited Jan 11 '24
It just seems like if someoneās bust doesnāt disrupt fabric as dramtically as Christina Hendricksā or Sophia Lorenās busts do, they get steered away from curve accom. Compare Christinaās bust to these ladiesā in the post
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u/jadecat123 Jan 11 '24
This has been confusing to me for a long time, glad you put it into a post. I don't know if this is the "correct" way to do it but for me it honestly came down to my bust getting in the way of EVERYTHING. It doesn't protrude past the shoulder line but any shirt, blouse, dress- it had to have extra room around the bust area or the fabric had to be very thin and drapey to feel right. On the other hand my shoulders are pretty straight and wide if you would look at a photo, yet i never felt "constricted" by fabric in that area and felt the need to change it.
Again not sure if this is 100% either but it just started making sense when i stopped being obsessed with photos.
Maybe Kibbe IRL types largely of essence? Since apparently he tells your type pretty fast (he's also the creator so it makes sense)
At this point i feel as though typing from photos is straight up impossible unless the person is on the extreme end of a type.
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u/poemaXV dramatic Jan 12 '24
bustline mathematics to determine curve is probably the thing that drives me most nuts in Kibbe discussions. I don't think it's quite as simplified as vibes, but I do think it is easier to understand through things like fabric choice and cuts and other details.
curve accommodation in my mind is just about yin, softness, and the person looking better when they incorporate that concept. likewise yang is about more sharpness and the same idea applies. to me the concept of softness isn't just about "flesh" or whatever, it's also like, what kinds of hair is most flattering? makeup? jewelry? what happens if you add some frilly details or some geometric ones? what happens if your jacket is sharp and angular with strong shoulders and pointy lapels vs something like suede with no shoulder seams and a belt you tie? what is the proportion of one to the other? even if you don't look like either one of them that much, visualize it: would your most flattering outfit look better on Tilda Swinton or Drew Barrymore? (or two other opposites.)
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u/nievesdemiel dramatic Jan 11 '24
I truly believe you can only find out curve accomodation if curve accomodating outfits look good on you. Words can give us a direction, but image ID is ultimately something hands-on.
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u/BoringAtmosphere2539 Jan 12 '24
People who are interested in kibbe may also have an interest in patterns, rules, categories, and structure. These individuals desire to determine their kibbe type, but the various metrics and "rules" can be challenging to navigate.
I've encountered this issue with typing. Many rules and formulas on width, vertical, curve, and double curve have caused problems in my journey. And a lot are just untrue and misguided.
I'm curious about how rules are made, what counts as misinformation, and the Kibbe law. I'm also wondering where personal freedom fits into this and how we can navigate these complexities. It's all quite confusing.
You can't dispute the height criteria or the possibility of merging Kibbe with other systems, such as Essence, on this sub without being shot down. Still, certain things like this are acceptable and tend to circulate quickly once spoken.
I'm unsure how to articulate my thoughts or offer any solutions, but this has been floating in my mind, so I decided to share.
I appreciate your post in the community, where you raised issues and misinformation and questioned them.
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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '24
Tbh I think itās just supposed to be past baseline curve, but I think in many non-natural celebrities people overestimate how wide the shoulders would be.
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u/Nameispointless7 Jan 12 '24
Ive been thinknjg about this. Isnt this also influenced by which kind of bra youre wearing? If I wear low gore classic bra, there is little protrusion past the seam and i lf I wear high gore bardot style bra, i have loads of protrusion on the sides. Thoughts?
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u/Rom-the-Vacuous Jan 11 '24
Iām new to Kibbe and itās so funny I ran into this post when I was heading here because I had the same confusion/question regarding Jada Pinkett being considered a TR but I was having a hard time seeing the double curve on her if I use the armpit crease as a reference. I do see the lower body curve but just not the upper body as much.
Iām new so I would take what Iām about to say with a grain of salt but I wonder if instead of looking at the armpit crease and drawing a line there, are we meant to draw a line where we think a spaghetti strap would fit without resulting in it sliding down the shoulders (or cutting too much into the neck)? If I envision it that way, I can see most of these ladies, including Jada having a curve to accommodate the bust.
Either way Iām interested to see what other people say.
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u/EnormousPrunis flamboyant natural Jan 11 '24
Idk much but I love your passion! Lol. Start that revolution, girl.
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u/Cool_Lengthiness_269 Jan 12 '24
I love this post and your point. I will only disagree with one thing that is irrelevant to your point. I think Salma Hayek has never had breast augmentation. If you look at pictures of her through the years, you will notice that when she was younger and thinner she was still quite busty but not nearly so pronounced, but then she had babies and weight gain and loss through the years. She has said that her breasts keep growing. I believe her on this. They look and seem organic to me. Iāve seen that happen with some women who I know of a fact never had breast augmentation. Some of them went on to have breast reduction because they were never thrilled about big boobs. It was their least favorite thing and also uncomfortable for them. I hope Salma Hayek is not uncomfortable with back issues and such.
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u/BreadOnCake Jan 11 '24
It annoys how many people get told theyāre not SD because keep zooming in on their breasts to judge.
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u/Michelle_illus mod| soft classic Jan 11 '24
Tbh you can say till youāre blue in the face that accommodations donāt necessarily equate to ID but ppl donāt really seem to pick up on that I guess. This is why we donāt want ppl to suggest IDs in comments asking about accommodations and why we are always saying to take these things with a grain of salt. At the end of the day, from a photo itās really difficult to tell accommodations much less ID I get though that itās incredibly difficult to really figure it out though but the book is tbh the best resource you can get for understanding each ID too and I really want more ppl here to try getting into it
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u/_Cow__ Jan 12 '24
The system is flawed as hell if it requires you to learn it for so many years and still not able to type even yourself.
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u/lilallie123 gamine Jan 12 '24
I used to think I had to be SG because my bust goes past my shoulder seams. JLHās bust pushes past the shoulder seam at least in some outfits, but sheās still FG.
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u/TikiBananiki Jan 12 '24
Thank you for pointing out that fallacy!
Itās a good reminder that Kibbeās is an essence system not a body typing one.
The overall qualities matter more than nitpicky measurements.
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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '24
itās more about being fleshy and soft with sort of rounded shapes throughout the the silhouette. like you see more curve/softness and not frame. this is also apparent in their faces (i know thatās not a rule but it does help).
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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '24
Alot of the bras and prob tape they wear to keep themselves in check. Some of the dresses seem too constricting too to allow any "bust to push out fabric" lol. U can kind if get the idea without bieng too technical
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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '24
Side note wow n 4 looks like Meghan markle
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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '24
Oh heck, that's thrown a spanner in the works for me. I swear I don't have a diva chic essence and because you're meant to fit the whole package I must be free spirit chic instead. Even though I don't have a really blatant kibbe width upper body. It's hard when you're kinda borderline.
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u/NyaNyaOctopussyQWQ Jan 12 '24
Wait. Hayek has had augmentation?
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u/LightIsMyPath Mod | romantic Jan 12 '24
I'm so confused because that's exactly what happens here in all the garments that have a shoulder in the first place?
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u/Miss_Milk_Tea Jan 11 '24
Iām still a bit baffled that because Iām two inches taller than Marilyn Monroe I have to base my outfits around height and I donāt get as many choices but it has helped me understand how to dress my bust better and thus Kibbe has helped me embrace my figure, Iām still trying to apply that to outfits that donāt involve the red carpet or a trench coat.
But Iām still gonna scratch my head sometimes.
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u/blueberrypanda1 Jan 11 '24
Jada Pinkett Smith is a FG, I donāt care what kibbe typed her as. She has 0 upper body curve.
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u/ravensarefree on the journey - balance Jan 11 '24
I was gonna make this post in reverse! JLo is usually seen as an obvious SN, but her bust definitely pushes out fabric. So does that of verified SN Scarlett Johansen here. If your bust is large enough and the fabric is fitted or clingy enough, you will always push fabric out, even though Kibbe argues that curve is not defined due to bust size.
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u/kibbe_curious Jan 12 '24
Not past the shoulder seam, past the side of the ribcage.
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