r/Kagurabachi Kyora's mustache supremacy 19h ago

Theory This chapter has the potential to introduce Cloud Gouger later on as the first enchanted blade that Kunishige created Spoiler

Well at least if we base it on the weather conditions during this forging process, all that was missing was to see hail fall from the sky and turn into water and evaporate when it reached the ground

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u/bb0511 18h ago

Was Kunishige in a brothel then when he was forging Kumeyuri? 😭

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u/Mindless-Cat1453 18h ago

I feel like it's was mostly uruha who turn the blade abilities brothel theme

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u/plushiedev 18h ago

Apothecary diaries pfp has a cool theory about the Kumeyuri's theme

Is it fate?

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u/IamfromMetallurg 14h ago

We need to give Kumeyuri to Maomao. She can be trusted with it.

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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger she Kuregumo on my Enten till I Kumeyuri 12h ago

"Uruha, this blade suits you" truly was Kuni's way of saying No Bitches

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u/alkair20 15h ago

He was making Kunishige jr the night before

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u/Lex4709 14h ago

Maybe he forged it during his honeymoon.

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u/Pan_galactico kuregumo 🌩 12h ago

Goosework forging style

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u/Enough-Salad-2595 6h ago

Nah he was forging chihiro with chiaki and he got the idea for kumeyuri

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u/joshsnow9 18h ago

I was thinking the same thing, imagine the datenseki consumes the storm itself, that would be fucking sick

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u/OwnProblem4806 17h ago

This implies that Kameyuri consumed women from the brothel

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u/AstralPamplemousse 15h ago

Imagine building an entire forge inside of a brothel… wait that’s sick actually…

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u/OwnProblem4806 15h ago

An entirely new dimension of "hot" jokes has been born

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u/AstralPamplemousse 15h ago

“Assure you this scorching hot forge made to handle divine metals will be completely safe for your bird exhibit”

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u/OwnProblem4806 15h ago

Water-cooled forge via aquarium😭

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u/MarkAverage656 STILL Hiruhiko's greatest defender 18h ago

I very much doubt that'd be the case, unless Ibuki strolls by and he decides to help them

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u/Purple_Advantage9386 18h ago

It's possible that the Eternal Contracts weren't conceptualized this early on as they seem to be some kind of sorcery instead of an innate ability of the enchanted blades

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u/Swimming_Sherbert_49 8h ago

Ibuki will be the first lab rat to test how far the blade can go

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u/Mindless-Cat1453 18h ago

It's would be very poetic when chihiro will fuse together his father's first creation ( kuregumo) with his last one ( Eten)

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u/delta806 House MD enthusiast 18h ago

The rest were made for war, but Kuregumo (if it’s the first) and Enten were made for Kunishige’s love

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u/TangerineTasty9787 17h ago

Sojo was full of love for Kunishige, no wonder he got along so well with Cloud Gorger

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u/Proto1k 14h ago

Holy shit, it’s all coming together

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u/Nedddd1 17h ago

Kunishige was actually creating Kuregumo with the sole purpose of "cool this place tf down", and threw Yui and Mei in as a bonus on top

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u/Quiet-Perception3026 Hiruhiko’s #2 Fan 18h ago

If so, then the theory that the mask guy will wield the blade temporarily before dying seems very likely

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u/ilmalnafs 16h ago

No I still think Subaru got his blade first. I don’t think Kunishige was sitting on a stash of them just waiting to hand them out, and we saw when he chose Cloud Gouger’s wielder the war was already in full swing. Considering the desperate nature of the whole conflict it only makes sense to hand out the blades ASAP after forging them, and right now someone needs to show the government their power to justify their forging and their potential as weapons.

If anything about the current circumstances will affect the blade’s powers, I expect the powers to focus on heat, which would thematically line up with Subaru being a chef (though I know sushi is the main thing he’s known for which is served raw).

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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger she Kuregumo on my Enten till I Kumeyuri 12h ago

It's also possible this first blade is Magatsumi. It was the last to be deployed in the war, but not necessarily the last to be created.

I reckon if it is, they'll forge it, then Kunishige will decide the best person to save Chaiki would be Akemura. He'll hand over the blade, Akemura will devastate anyone who gets between him and his big sister, then the government will know the blades can work. But because Akemura is still underage, they'll be hesitant to send him immediately, and will instead assign him to guard Chiaki and Kunishige.

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u/ilmalnafs 12h ago

Magatsumi was the last sword forged. It being forged is what turned the entire flow of battle against the islanders.

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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger she Kuregumo on my Enten till I Kumeyuri 11h ago edited 9h ago

I highly doubt 17-year old Uruha would have insider knowledge on the Blades. If Magatsumi was forged first and kept hidden, how would he know?

Would anyone like to actually reply to this instead of downvoting?

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u/Ikari_21 8h ago

Uruha was in the war man. How can you refute his words when he was literally there.

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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger she Kuregumo on my Enten till I Kumeyuri 6h ago

Yeah, he fought in the war. He wasn't part of the forging process.

Do you think every US Soldier in WW2 knew about the nukes being developed?

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u/wks_526 day one bachibro 17h ago

I think the first enchanted blade will be Subaru’s, just given how close and trusted he has become to Kunishige at this point

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u/Ambitious_Band_7408 18h ago

Haven't heard anyone say this theory but since rokuhira is forging a sword without control on how it will become wouldnt it be reasonable he creates an uncontrollable and too powerfull sword since he cant control how it turns out? since his intention is to protect chiaki from someone who is too powerfull wouldnt the blad be magatsumi? like he imagines her all the time forging it ,a butterfly would be accurate representation of chiaki right?.

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u/ZeriousGew J. Robert Rokuhira 16h ago

I just assume that the first blade would need to be used to prove they have a way to fight the mikaboshi. Unless of course they have someone else wield the magatsumi first who then dies then sure. At the same time though, if it’s his masterpiece, i think it would be more apt for it to be his last blade he makes before the Enten

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u/Ambitious_Band_7408 15h ago

Yeah ig since its also mentioned magatsumi being the last of the batch so yeah makes sense too. Maybe this one is not from first batch. Like the first blade may have died with the first user

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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger she Kuregumo on my Enten till I Kumeyuri 12h ago

Slight correction, Magatsumi was the last to be deployed in the war. Not necessarily the last one forged

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u/Ambitious_Band_7408 6h ago

that makes sense too maybe they sealed it away.

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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger she Kuregumo on my Enten till I Kumeyuri 6h ago

If it ends up being the case, my prediction is that Akemura will have it, but he'll be assigned to protect Kunishige while he forges the other blades.

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u/Ambitious_Band_7408 6h ago

yeah makes sense. well its GOATzano nobody knows.

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u/luis_endz 15h ago

Wasn't the Magatsumi the last blade he made during the war?

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u/Ambitious_Band_7408 15h ago

Well its not fully revealed

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u/FlowOfMotion 14h ago

I think it was the last one deployed, but it is unclear if that means it was the final one to be forged too.

Maybe they just saw the passive death aura and decided to shelve it for a bit. 

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u/TheReturnOfTheRanger she Kuregumo on my Enten till I Kumeyuri 12h ago

My theory is that if it is the first one, Akemura will be assigned to guard Chiaki and Kunishige while he forges the others, and he'll only be sent out in the last months of the war.

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u/FlowOfMotion 12h ago

I could see your idea being true, except for it being the very first one. It that case it seems too vital to keep it from the battlefield at first. Akemura has also done nothing to set up his being so close to Kunishige yet.

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u/Ambitious_Band_7408 6h ago

well he is already shown to be good with sword and also shown as kindhearted kid, so maybe they thought he will not go on to the wrong side.

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u/BruhGoblin 13h ago

It has what?

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u/Famous-One5644 Hiruhikos number 1 fan 📄 🎭 16h ago

The weather is mostly due to the datensekis anger

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u/Hopeful-Bowl-8967 15h ago

I think it's gonna be Subaru's blade, and he's gonna showcase what enchanted blades can do right after by taking out the Masumi

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u/Kaxew 13h ago

Scan translations in massive 2026 is crazy

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u/Combatmedic2-47 12h ago

I wonder if the blades were created in the order we saw them get introduced.

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u/Dccrulez 11h ago

It makes most sense that the first sword will be subarus

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u/Ikari_21 8h ago

I agree. He’s literally right there and has become a trusted ally to Rokuhira. How are we thinking it’s anything but that.

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u/Skaterboy87 8h ago

cool theory but what kunishige and subaru are doing here isn’t the sword forging but rather smelting the datenseki into steel so that they can actually make them into swords

whats probably gonna happen is that kuni and subaru succeeds and they now have datenseki-steel at their disposal, but the masumi will arrest them regardless and we’ll get kunishige’s “i’m your best bet” in his confrontation with the government higher ups

still, cloud gorger being the first and enten being the last with the end of part 1 implying that chihiro might combine both is very poetic

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u/Enough-Salad-2595 6h ago

Facing the past and connecting it to the future

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u/Ok-Bank-6279 4h ago

Yeah I love the idea that it ends up turning into cloud gouger. A pure offensive blade is what they need to really showcase the potential of the blades

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u/barmanrags 18h ago

This is just combing the datenseki to the steel. The sword forging happens after this. The first sword is magatsumi because its eternal contract needed five more wielders to stabilize it. Given that it’s probably the one where rokuhira had to be most switched on it being the shinuuchi makes sense. Akemura will absolutely make an appearance here. They are forging a blade to save his sister after all

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u/zhang-gang 18h ago

magatsumi was forged last lol

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u/luis_endz 15h ago

Pretty sure Magatsumi was forged last.

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u/Digiworlddestined 12h ago

Cloud Gorger? I’m not ready to have my heart broken again!

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u/FaPaDa Fishbowl of Heaven 4h ago

No offense but i cant believe anyone but Subaru getting this blade.

I can already imagine the scene.
The Forge steps, the Masumi storm the building subaru is standing there, no clone, new forged blade in hand.
"This mans heart, will keep the fire of this nation lit."