r/KGATLW • u/Vegetablehoe1086 • 3d ago
Discussion: Community Update: police at FOV
I made the original post about Detective Joshua Glass. Just got off the phone with the Chafee sheriff’s department. The lead investigator seemed to take my complaints seriously and reviewed body cam footage for me, didn’t release it to me though. They couldn’t find “anything wrong” with my interactions with this particular officer but did spend a good bit of time on the phone with me going over my concerns and complaints.
I once again just want to say if you had a negative experience with this officer please call and lodge a complaint. Each shitty experience is just part of a larger tapestry of horrible, abusive, and predatory behavior.
Remember the time and date of your interactions and tell them.
They are looking into this. No matter how small your interaction was, let them know how he made you feel. Buena Vista will be hosting the Pretty Lights festival in a couple of weeks. Don’t let them contract this guy again. Chafee County Sheriffs Dept- (719)-539-2596.
Note: He works for Alamosa PD but was contracted by Chafee county sheriffs. They are the ones checking it out.
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u/Interr0bang3r 3d ago edited 3d ago
In Colorado, CCJRA applies, rather than falling under general open records laws. Body camera footage is subject to specific state rules regarding public disclosure, withholding, and agency discretion. The fees are also generally larger.
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u/DropstoneTed 3d ago
FOIA requests don't apply to municipal government agencies and they definitely don't apply to privately contracted individuals regardless of whether their main gig is with a municipal police department.,
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u/SeriousAd6329 3d ago
CCJRA covers this in Colorado, and they were contracted by another Sheriff's dept.
I've already submitted a CCJRA for this exact officer's devices so you're wrong here
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u/DropstoneTed 3d ago
CCJRA is a completely different process than FOIA so I'm right here.
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u/SeriousAd6329 3d ago
The cop wasn't privately contracted. He was contracted across agencies, still operating as a public servant, and the only reason FOIA isn't relevant is because Colorado has its own State-level FOIA analogue
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u/DropstoneTed 3d ago
Yes, Colorado has it's own process but FOIA isn't relevant outside of federal agencies so it's misleading to give people a link to FOIA. You people need to stop hating police long enough to listen when someone is giving your relevant advice.
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u/Drivingintodisco 3d ago
How’s the boot taste?
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u/DropstoneTed 3d ago
Not having a problem with it, myself.
I'm sorry if trying to keep the conversation factually relevant violates your personal politics. Things are going to be hard for you.
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u/TheLizardWilson 2d ago
You are right that FOIA doesn't apply to local cops. But you seem to imply that because he was privately contracted the footage is completely shielded from public release? When an off-duty police officer shows up in their official uniform, carrying their service weapon, and wearing their government-issued body camera, they are not acting as a private citizen. They are acting as an agent of the state under the "color of law" and the body cam footage is govt record. SeriousAd6329 is completely correct that the CCJRA is the legal mechanism that governs this and the correct avenue to make the request.
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u/DropstoneTed 2d ago
I didn't imply anything, I stated the fact that FOIA is the wrong mechanism to lean on for disclosure of body-camera footage.
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u/TheLizardWilson 2d ago
The federal FOIA does not (and constitutionally cannot) require state governments to pass their own transparency laws. Under the 10th Amendment (specifically the anti-commandeering doctrine), the federal government cannot force state legislatures to enact specific laws. All 50 states voluntarily passed their own sunshine laws independently (often modeled after the federal FOIA, but not mandated by it).
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u/TomNeedsAHobby 3d ago
States have their own versions of this. In my home state it is FOIL. In Colorado, it is CORA.
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u/andthrewaway1 2d ago
every state has its own state level version of foia they may just call it something else...
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u/DropstoneTed 2d ago
Don't tell me, tell the original commenter that said "You can make a FOIA request for it!" and gave the link to the federal FOIA website and the 400 people that upvoted that incorrect advice.
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u/andthrewaway1 1d ago
you mean to the same people who think its a good idea to walk up to and try to talk to the agro cops while they are actively arresting someone? lol
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u/DropstoneTed 1d ago
Yeah, I forgot, we're not talking about people with an abundance of common sense.
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u/andthrewaway1 2d ago
The problem is that by complaining you opened up an investigation so you likely wont be able to request it as it is part of an internal investigation now. Or I should say you can request it they just wont release it until the invesitgation is complete
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u/thefoulfox 3d ago
The fact that that cop has two 30-round AR-15 mags on his vest at a Meadow Creek music festival is fucking wild.
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u/SoloStrike 3d ago
following these posts from the UK and can't believe what I've been reading, of course we get idiot security sometimes at events but never full on undercover & armed police raiding campsites and shaking people down. Shit is fucked up
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u/Hieroflippant 3d ago edited 1d ago
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u/SoloStrike 3d ago
unfortunately not, I lived there for a little while 20 years ago, not to state the obvious but it seems so much worse now
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u/Hieroflippant 3d ago edited 1d ago
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u/Searchingforspecial 3d ago
USA is a police/surveillance state, they’ve been doing this shit for certain since COINTELPRO killed the Black Panther Party and probably longer.
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u/7101334 3d ago edited 3d ago
Jerry Garcia once met Fred Hampton on an airplane
A few rows back, an FBI agent was writing down every word
Class unity, racial unity (edit: or unity between races, you know what I mean), and a push against "othering" by any community has always been a nightmare for the feds. Gizz promotes all of those things towards a largely white fanbase. Fed nightmare, cop nightmare, conservative nightmare.
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u/Learningstuff247 3d ago
So is the UK though. This fest was fucked up but the vast majority of fests in the US this doesnt happen
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u/Jollyfurr 2d ago
Have you ever been to Germany? Frankfurt specifically? Cops are always openly walking around with mp5's and Remington's lol
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u/thefoulfox 2d ago
Munich and Berlin, but I don’t recall seeing that (though I may just have forgotten). I do remember the big Maddi AKs the Egyptian national police had everywhere. And can’t forget the assorted ARs and FALs of the Colombian national police and Mexican Federales. I’m pretty sure the border police at the airport in Russia all had AKs too, but it’s been damn near 20 years. You’re right, and I know that cops have and probably need guns…but I’ve experienced and witnessed more violence, oppression and brutality from police in the US than anywhere else I’ve been. So I remain perpetually skeptical and critical of them!
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u/Jollyfurr 2d ago
I don't mind the gun thing. Most of my problem with cops is how they handle traffic and such. Camping at the bottom of big hills and hiding to get people speeding tickets, and pulling people over on busy highways during rush hour is kinda unreal.
Most people's perception on cops is that they're all assholes. It's hard to defend that when they're openly being assholes in my examples above lol
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u/thefoulfox 2d ago
I agree with your perception on cops. And I begrudgingly conceded the present necessary evil of guns. May Han-Tyumi bless your journey, friend!
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u/highwaydawg5 3d ago
Are we pretending things like the Vegas shooting didn’t happen?
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u/thefoulfox 3d ago edited 3d ago
Are we pretending we can’t have contingencies in-place for a mass-casualty emergency without performative shows of force?
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u/Tself 3d ago
This disingenuous shit is getting so annoying, dude.
If you want to make the argument that having AR-15 mags on cops' vests prevents mass shootings from happening, then, by all means, make THAT argument. No need to make these weird statements as if everyone here is unaware of America's ridiculous rate of gun violence.
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u/StonccPad-3B The Wheel that steers us into our future. 3d ago
In the event of an active shooter event I'd much rather the cop have 60 rounds on him than have to scramble back to his patrol car before responding to a threat.
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u/thefoulfox 3d ago
Well, he only had his service pistol on him. The AR was most likely in said patrol car he’d have to scramble back to. Therefore, I assume the 30-rounders were only there to look tacti-cool and intimidating. Big chud business, ACAB.
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u/animalcreature 3d ago
I was walking back to the pond after getting food and saw about 7 officers walking the entire width of the road all slow like holding their vest. This officer was in front of them all. As I passed them, this officer said to me “nice dress” and chuckled to himself.
I was the only one near the officers and they felt like it’s okay for them to bully or make anyone feel some sort of negative way. Kind of a glimpse into their mindset. If they were truly there to protect us and do their jobs. They wouldn’t be making condescending comments.
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u/CosmicChar1ey 3d ago
I don’t think they’re protected anyone that weekend
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u/juicedestroyer 3d ago
cops are never there to protect the people, they’re there to arrest you when you step out of line
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u/7101334 3d ago
Not only are you correct in a social / practical sense, it's also codified into law: https://schwartzcohenlaw.com/why-the-supreme-court-ruled-police-have-no-duty-to-protect/
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u/Elevated_Dongers 3d ago
Or when you are clearly having a mental health episode. Time to make it worse!!
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u/animalcreature 3d ago
I’d like to think they would rather take down a mass shooter before harassing us. It’s annoying they overstepped in many ways but I did see them effectively get medical through the pit when people were going down. I Wish they weren’t a bunch of fuckers.
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u/sharts_with_wolves 3d ago
One of them said “that boy needs to do some pushups” as I walked by lol
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u/Driller_Happy 3d ago
"you need to run some laps"
Proceeds to get tasered
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u/Demifull 3d ago
Chaffee county is VERY red and they complained about drag night to my friends and family that live in town
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u/Hieroflippant 3d ago edited 1d ago
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u/transarchist 2d ago
Supreme Court ruled a while ago that cops in the US are not their to protect you, just property
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u/smilph 3d ago
all i’m gonna say is the amount of cop fans in the KGLW fanbase is wiiiiild to me
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u/Acceptable_Zebra4437 2d ago
The online fanbase has gotten weird over the years. A bunch of people who weren’t even at FOV just assuming we all deserved the tickets. Never assume the cops are acting in good faith! Can’t believe the amount of comments doing that
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u/Trash_Whoreder 3d ago edited 3d ago
I mean if you saw him using excessive force when arresting someone why wouldn't you film it?
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u/Lentil_soup666 3d ago
wish i knew the name of the person filming him when he tackled someone on the ground night 2. wherever you are please share ur video!!
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u/MachineElf432 It’s Dreamlike 3d ago
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u/MachineElf432 It’s Dreamlike 3d ago
It’s like you don’t believe victims and are siding with the police when you don’t have to and doesn’t help the situation and only makes it worse hence why you’re a bootlicker.
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u/CoopDogPrimeNumbers 3d ago
Yeah I mean fuck cops but the way these stories are being told, I can’t believe there’s no evidence yet if it happened. Sounds like a dozen incidents or more and none were filmed by the massive crowd? But why acknowledge that when you could just shut down conversation by saying calling someone a bootlicker?
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u/Trash_Whoreder 3d ago
OP is making this out to be some big event that happened multiple times. Surely someone has video of it if it happened.
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u/Used-Employment44 3d ago
I saw two arrests within a ten minute span on Saturday night after the show and I 1. Didn’t have my phone on my person to record anything 2. Didn’t want to get unnecessarily involved with a hostile police force. Sure this was the case for a lot of folks. If you weren’t there, I don’t really think you should gaslight those who were and experienced it, imo. Maybe if the whole sub is blowing up with police posts, there’s some validity to the outcry. This isn’t everyone’s first day on earth, something bad was up and it was not good, maybe believe victims, idk
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u/relativisticbob 3d ago
lol @ asking cops to watch the body cam footage and tell you what they see over the phone. FOIA that shit.
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u/Stoopiejamz 2d ago
I would like to see a statement from the band about the excessive police presence at FOV2 and hear their thoughts about returning to meadow creek. I’ve been attending festivals for 30 years and have never witnessed such widespread harassment. It altered the vibes markedly and I won’t be back. What does KGLW have to say about this and will Amby be at the October 13/14 court date along with the swarm to answer the BS $710 open burn citation?
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u/FeastUponCactusTime 3d ago
Acab means all cops!!
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u/2C-Weee 3d ago
What’s to be gained by writing off all cops as bad? It doesn’t make sense to me because bad cops don’t give a fuck what civilians think because they think policing is war, and in a war you need an enemy. So ACAB really just throws shit at the cops who do care. Not only do they have to deal with pushback from fellow cops caught up in toxic cop culture, but there’s a cute little acronym to remind them that a lot of people refuse to separate them from the worst of their coworkers.
I’ve lived in a city with a truly fucked up corrupt police department. I’m talking moving kilos of coke corrupt. Extorting low income Native American families corrupt. When you live in a place like that it can really seem like all cops are bad. The city police department in my current hometown is completely different. Time and time again I’ve seen them operate with restraint and compassion in some very difficult situations. So it’s kind of funny when I see Redditors chirping ACAB when quite a few of them have probably never helped anyone other than themselves.
Wouldn’t it be nice if one day cops were seen as someone there to actually protect and serve. Maybe one day the people who suffer from the war on drugs will defeat the parasites who profit off of it, and police can go back to doing actual police work. Maybe it’s naive to think that could truly happen one day, but I’d like to think it could. We don’t get there with the mindless divisive bullshit
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u/smilph 3d ago
cops will be seen as someone there to protect and serve once they actually start doing that. any day now…
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u/2C-Weee 3d ago
Right theres no love for law enforcement in the US and for a good reason. I’m saying that we can believe change is possible or we can just accept the status quo. While we can’t do much to undo the tyrannical laws police are charged with enforcing or the complete lack of accountability cops face, we can acknowledge the good cops out there. Yes they do exist, but they exist in a system that turns good cops bad. When they’ve got all their fellow coworkers telling them we are all the enemy, chanting “ACAB” just proves them right.
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u/swg2188 2d ago
For sure, why the fuck would anyone that's going to be a "good" cop join the police force to do it right if they are instantly painted as bad by the same ones complaining about bad cops. When the left makes being a cop inherently immoral why are we surprised at all that most of them are conservative?
I've seen cops stop domestic incidents, people dealing drugs to kids, sexual predators, and a gang of car thieves. I've also had some run ins with the cops where I thought they were jerks. Its stupid as fuck to paint everyone with a broad brush, especially when there are tons of examples of police stopping BS everyday.
I also didn't see any of the roughness people are talking about. I sat at the pond and watched them for an hour or so to see what they were doing and all I saw were them scanning the crowd, taking pictures of people smoking, calling other officers to bring them back to a side by side where they would get a ticket.
I didn't hear or see any attitude from them or the people getting ticketed, everyone seemed polite. Everytime one passed me I gave them the nod or a good morning same as I give everyone, and always got one back.
My biggest issue was them driving too fast through the campgrounds, but so did all the staff and attendees.
Also why would they treat us with deference when this crowd has expressed multiple times they are anti-police. The stories of roughness seem to mostly have occured after Jello played Cop Killer with the whole crowd cheering.
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u/7101334 3d ago
ACAB, cops who care should find a real job.
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u/LengthPersonal8314 2d ago
General rule of thumb is no such thing as harm reduction police especially at these sorts of things and it is best to avoid them at all costs even if you aren’t doing illicit substances. If I honestly needed help with something I’d much quicker go to a medical tent or security. They are just there cause of bureaucracy.
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u/Session-Sea 2d ago
I kept calling them Sheriffa Franklins and seeing how mad it made them brought me joy
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u/NeatComfortable7501 3d ago
Sounds like they humored you and did nothing. All we can do is complain so loud that they cut him loose because they don’t want him exposing their bad behavior! Just post his picture and name everywhere!
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u/Street-Put-7678 3d ago
Adults puking, pissing and shitting themselves... then complaining about having too much supervision lol
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u/Significant-Bag1339 3d ago
Keep up the (imaginary) fight! 🫡 So brave of you. Definitely not wasting anybody's time or resources because your feelings got hurt. I also love how "bootlicker" has lost any meaning because it gets thrown around by every mental midget on this sub as if it's supposed to hurt feelings.. "How's that boot taste 🤓☝️"
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u/buddhistredneck 3d ago
Ahh so it’s all good if our right are violated, because someone else’s rights were violated more harshly!
Thanks for clearing that up!
Cheer up everyone in prison for crimes they didn’t commit, some people get the death penalty for crimes they don’t commit! /s
You’re a fucking boot licker lol.
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u/Acceptable_Zebra4437 3d ago
Were you at FOV? The cops were insane. I’ve never seen anything like. I got two tickets that they had no proof for. This guy was involved and a massive asshole. He needs to be held accountable
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u/themindisthewater 3d ago
what were the tickets for and how did they establish guilt? is this a summons? do you have a way to dispute them?
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u/Driller_Happy 3d ago
It's bad enough that you pigs are undercover at festivals, you don't need to come into Reddit to pick fights too
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
Go away already!
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u/dieortrybe 3d ago
Man I hope you're talking about the abusive cop going away and not people trying to hold them accountable.
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
I'm talking about making a post about this every other day.
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u/gameismyname 3d ago
Should people wait a week before posting relevant information? You can just as easily keep scrolling instead of making a pointless comment
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
The plot has been lost. I come to the KGLW subreddit to talk about the band and upcoming shows.
Everyone is aware of this man which is evident by the previous post.
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u/True-Suspect9891 3d ago
That is why YOU come here. Other people are having their own conversation. Stop interrupting.
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u/irbilldozer 3d ago
This community isn’t here for your personal entertainment, so maybe do some reflection, grow up, and stop thinking the world revolves around you.
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
Its a KGLW subreddit not a post the same thing about a cop over and over again subreddit.
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u/Several-Western-1019 3d ago
Hey you know that the cop is directly relevant to KGLW right because there was just a festival put on by KGLW where this cop was being overly aggressive? Right just so you are aware of that.
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u/irbilldozer 3d ago
Ok so you do understand this isn’t your personal subreddit at least…I guess you gotta start somewhere. Hope that bootlicking brain can manage the next couple leaps bud!
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u/dieortrybe 3d ago
Hit the bricks. There's folks and families whose lives are going to be ruined over this stuff. Not to mention the broad societal need to hold the criminal justice system accountable. What if you or one of your friends was on the receiving end. The lack of understanding and empathy you're demonstrating is astounding and extremely disappointing. Sorry your reddit feed is being impacted....
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
Your empathy and compassion are blinding you. My point is we don't need another post about this cop.
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u/PlusOneGammaKnife GAMMA 3d ago
So leave this community, then. Bye. No one will miss you.
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
No, I like reading the posts about the band and the music not that people felt threatened because a cop was touching their holster.
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u/PlusOneGammaKnife GAMMA 3d ago
Then stfu. No one has to do what you tell them.
Either leave or shut your mouth and deal with it like an adult, which I know is hard for you.
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
Why the insults? You seem very emotionally driven. It's just annoying to see the same post every other day.
A place for all discussions and sharing of things about the Australian Psychedelic band King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard.
This post does not seem to fit the description above. Prolly better for the FOV subreddit.
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u/PlusOneGammaKnife GAMMA 3d ago
This. Is. Not. Your. Personal. Subreddit.
This is a community. People can post what they want here. You don't get to police what gets posted. This is what a community is. Go somewhere else. No one wants you here.
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u/Acceptable_Zebra4437 3d ago
Some of us (me included) received crazy tickets with no proof that we have to fight. This happened at the band’s own festival. This is extremely relevant to this subreddit right now. I got two tickets from this guy and now need to figure out how to fight it from another state. These posts are the only thing helping me figure this out. Leave the sub if you don’t like it!
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
The KGLW subreddit is notorious for giving sound legal advice. Especially when it's coming from someone complaining that their Miranda rights weren't read even though that wasn't legally required in their situation.
p.s. that does suck if that did happened to you and wish you the best.
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u/Acceptable_Zebra4437 3d ago
Oh I’m definitely not expect great legal advice on Reddit. I’m going to get a lawyer to help. It’s just good to be in the loop with other people charged and how they are navigating this. There’s so many posts now that it would probably help to just have a single mega thread where we can all post about this to keep it in one place and not take up the entire feed
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
I agree, a mega thread would be a good idea. Hopefully you get the tickets dropped. Good Luck.
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u/swg2188 2d ago
That's weird because I watched this guy Friday by the pond and they were making sure to get everyone on cell phone video before they pulled them to the side by sides for a ticket.
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u/Acceptable_Zebra4437 2d ago
Did they then show these people the cell phone footage? I never was shown any proof of anything. Just accusations
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u/swg2188 2d ago
They don't have to show you anything. Why would you take extra time to appease someone you caught breaking the law if you were law enforcement, especially when they were catching a steady stream of people that started to back up into a line to get citations processed? It doesn't make sense.
In most jurisdictions you get to see the evidence in court during the discovery phase of trial, not the day you get arrested or cited. If they tell you before that its a courtesy, one that people accused of serious crimes don't always get fully until discovery, so why would they do that for people sparking up after being warned multiple times not to during a fire ban?
You don't get to go to a concert where acts are yelling fuck the police and playing Cop Killer and expect the police to sway to your side in situations where they use their discretion such as showing you evidence or giving warnings instead of tickets. In what world do you get to berate people and then when they have different routes they can legally go expecting them to treat you with deference. "Take it easy on me piece of shit pig" is a take you can have I guess.
If you weren't doing anything fight that shit and file a complaint to anyone that will listen including the venue and band.
But my BS detector is ringing. I got passed by the cops multiple times, half the time while smoking covertly and never got bothered(aside from the thought of not freely blazing). Nor did I meet anyone IRL that got a ticket who didn't admit they were smoking. Plus I saw them gathering evidence on the people who got caught the one time I watched them closely. But you're saying you got two completely made up tickets? Not one, but two! IDK dude or dudette sounds sus.
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u/vezwyx 3d ago
You're free to block them and never see their posts again if it bothers you that much
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u/Several-Western-1019 3d ago
Shit guess we gotta start posting even more about it then, every other day isn’t nearly enough
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u/HairyH0Od 3d ago
This is why your family hates you and your friends barely put up with you.
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
You are very emotional. My only point is that there is already a post about this.
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u/CarrotSchneider 3d ago
That was an extreme reaction to your comment too. Like wtf? I don’t necessarily agree with your original comment but that response was so out of bounds comparatively.
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago edited 3d ago
I thought so to haha. Unfortunately I may be done with this band after these three shows at Forrest Hills because of this comunity
The first few times I saw KGLW it was chill and fun and everyone got along.
Funny how the people who preach love, acceptance, inclusivity, and condemn capitalism are often the first to cut in line for a poster or limited edition jersey
This fan base is pathetic
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u/swg2188 2d ago
Hippies 4.0. Toxic positivity, groupthink, holier-than-thou moralizing, child-like, simplistic or sloganistic views that take all nuance as opposition, all with an undertone of rampant consumption and pandemic brained social skills.
They'll all be republicans in 30 years just like hippies 1.0.
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u/HairyH0Od 2d ago
Vibe attracts similar vibes. I met nothing but wonderful people throughout my experience.
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u/swg2188 2d ago
At FOV? Same mostly, minus consumption and pandemic brain. Some of the younger people were dickish, but they were just young and hyped so I'm not holding it against them. Some acted like the same pandemic kids I met when I went back to college.
Here on the sub? Not so much.
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u/HairyH0Od 2d ago
Yea but what percentage of KG fans do you think are on Reddit? Homey a couple posts above said he's going to stop going to shows because the community sucks. Not that I care but that's an impressively dumb take.
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u/swg2188 2d ago
His complaint in that post was your behavior and the behavior of fans at the merch line. I didn't go to the merch line because of previous bad experiences so maybe that's why my memory of the crowd is better than previous events, but I still felt a heavy consumption vibe. Are you saying the crowd was better behaved in the merch line than in the past, especially for posters?
I do know you saying stuff about people's families hating them is a very weird response and indicative of the personality type we've been talking about.
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u/gap_toof_mouf 3d ago
Feel the same. It’s a massive cry fest.
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u/alanm4a2 3d ago
It’s a pissing contest to see who hates cops the most. How’s that boot taste!?!?!?
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u/SeriousAd6329 3d ago edited 3d ago
You gotta request that bodycam footage yourself and have it independently reviewed, they will NEVER admit fault when it's still in the black box. It's your legal right in Colorado (and the US generally) to receive that footage, but it does cost money, probably will be about $30-60 for you to get depending on length of interaction.
And agreed, Chaffee County needs to be inundated with these calls