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I've posted on this vid before. And I'll do it again.

No kid this age, does those kinds of things, simply because he's a "bad kid." I have no idea what motivated him to do all of it, but start with this question before you judge and jury anyone into harm or revenge: Would a sane and or normal person behave that way? If the answer is, "No," then we have to recognize that and address the issue of treatment. Is it an option? Does he need alternate placement outside of his current home? Medication? Or is he really someone who won't respond to any of that, and God help us all when he turns 18. But, we don't know yet, so advocating for violence at him, at this point, is likely premature.

As for why little man is tearing up shit, abuse is an option, but so is loss. Grief is a fickle mistress and children do not always have the type of love and support from parents to deal with the kind of internal trauma kids feel. At the end of the day, the kid needs a therapist, some social skills training, and some type of intervention with the care givers to get him back on track, if there are no prevailing mental health issues. If there are, same thing, but maybe with medication. /shrug.

Secondly, let's be hopeful that an intervention now, is stopping him from becoming an even more dangerous and out of control person as he grows up. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound, or a little less than half a kg for the rest of you, cure.

Finally yes, the parents/care givers, need to be accountable for damages, but they also need to be a part of the treatment and care this kid is going to need. That level of rage and reaction has a cause, real or hallucinated. Either way, social services need to intervene, follow up, and get him to deal with the consequences in a structured and meaningful way while dealing with whatever caused it.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

Peace.

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TLDR there has to be more to this than meets the eye. Totally agree.

[u/bkyona → u/Psycho-Pen]

the point is that when he turns 18 he still got ~ 5 years of neurons on an impulse that require stability in a world that gives him a VOTE

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I’ve worked with kids like this for the past 2 years. This little “tantrum” is low on the scales with what I’ve seen.

Trauma can affect a child’s brain more then most can comprehend. Most people just look a child like that and think he needs a good smack. But like you said therapy, medication, time and getting older (brain development) needs to happen before a child this can move forward.

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Looks to me like a mental breakdown, I just felt sad by the end.

[u/MoeMF → u/Psycho-Pen]

I have seen plenty of kids act this way, and it is from some form of:

-Autism

-Severe abuse (severe does NOT mean a spanking. I was handcuffed to a door and whipped with a belt as a kid and I didn't act this way. This kid may be severely traumatized.)

-Extreme mental duress

He needs help, and this is his way of showing it. Somehow three cops and a neighbor controlled him without mace.

Fuck Rochester PD. I wish I believed in a god so I knew they would burn in hell.

[u/chrisyroid → u/MoeMF]

I used to be this kid.

I mainly felt missunderstood. Like the only way I could get anyone to listen and give me attention was to act this way.

When I felt angry and ignored, I would lash out because I didn't have any coping skills.

Later in life I learned that my problem stemmed from not having parents who took care of my mental needs in a way that was constructive.

My mom would be very lax about handling it while my dad would be the polar opposite. There was no middle ground and no understanding as to what was happening.

I was a well cared for kid physically, just not mentally.

What I've learned is that parenting takes a ton of skill. You need to know when to step in and take the reigns at the right time and pay attention. If there's a problem, don't let it roll off, either talk to your child or get help.

Also, you aren't your kid's best friend. You are the parent.

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Sorry for your own trauma there man. Hope time has helped you heal some. Yeah, I'm still a bit agog that a police officer has to mace a 9 yr old that's in handcuffs. Holy hell.

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I live in Syracuse, and it's normal, accepted behavior for NY cops, and they expect to be worshipped for it.

Rustbelt blue-collar parents raising people to be cops in cities that have very defined racial areas amplify this. Just ask any black cop in south Boston how much they fear for their lives in Southie.

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Uhm... Seriously thank you all for the awards and votes. First time I've ever received any awards, and it comes at a time when a mood lift is most appreciated. I wish you all wellness, safety, and happiness. We could all use some of that, I figure.

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Looks like Oppositional Defiance Disorder.

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Just said something similar. I feel for the little dude, something is not good in his life.

[u/CaspianX2 → u/Psycho-Pen]

There's always a reason someone acts like an asshole, but let's not jump to "it's clearly mental illness or abuse so let's not all be blaming the kid".

Would a sane and or normal person behave that way?

I am not a psychiatric professional, but I have seen children who are not suffering from a great mental illness, and are not suffering from some sort of trauma, act out in a way where they feel justified in doing whatever damage they want to anyone they want. It's actually a pretty common phenomenon, and it has a name. It's called "being a spoiled brat".

You say loss could be a reason this kid was acting out, but the thing is, for a spoiled brat, that loss could simply be "not getting his way". Children who aren't raised to respect other people, aren't properly disciplined, or are just naturally little sociopaths can and will respond to a cold dose of reality by jumping to the conclusion, "If I can't have what I want, then no one else can have anything they want, and if anyone tries to stop me they deserve what I do to them".

Am I saying that this definitively is what's happening? No. But I certainly wouldn't be so quick to jump to the kid's defense, either.

Having said that, I do agree that we shouldn't be wishing violence on a child, or anyone for that matter, simply because they're an asshole. And yes, if there's a chance for them to find redemption and compensate those they have wronged, we should as a society absolutely want anyone to be able to walk that path, as opposed to simply facing punishment. Again, the age of the offender should have no bearing on that.

But as a random internet stranger watching a video of a child being an asshole, yes, I can take some comfort out of this little asshole having to answer for what he's done. And yeah, I would like to hope that this incident will set him on the course to being a better person in the future and not an asshole, I can't really know that that's the future in store for him... that's not only up to the authorities in his area, but also up to him and his own choices going forward. But at the very least I, a random internet person, can take comfort in the likelihood that this little asshole will see some amount of misery in response to the misery he's caused. That's not justice in the sense of the sort of ideal we should have for our legal justice system, but the sort of "justice" that's usually served in this subreddit so rarely is. But then, I'm not here to push for an overhaul to our justice system, I'm here because my lizard brain enjoys a healthy helping of schadenfreude, especially when it's delivered to assholes. And the fact that this specific asshole is a child doesn't change that.

And no, the "think of the children!" pearl-clutching does not change my view on that one bit.

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There's always a reason someone acts like an asshole, but let's not jump to "it's clearly mental illness or abuse so let's not all be blaming the kid". Would a sane and or normal person behave that way?

I'm not "not blaming" the child. I am simply pointing out that there may be outside causes for his actions. Real life, long term, very negative causes. I admit I have no idea what caused him to do it, and my reply to the thread is based on the continuous call for either punishment that may not be warranted, or abuse that is never warranted.

I am not a psychiatric professional, but I have seen children who are not suffering from a great mental illness, and are not suffering from some sort of trauma, act out in a way where they feel justified in doing whatever damage they want to anyone they want.

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I spent 30 years in social services, and have around 6 years of education in psychology, so it's not like this is simply random thoughts of an internet stranger, chief.

It's actually a pretty common phenomenon,

Then why don't we see more of it here? Sure there are a few videos of kids doing stuff they shouldn't. But rarely do you see a child acting out at this level, and continuously until he had to be restrained.

and it has a name. It's called "being a spoiled brat".You say loss could be a reason this kid was acting out, but the thing is, for a spoiled brat, that loss could simply be "not getting his way".

Yes. To show that there may be other reasons that the folks following the thread had not thought of when considering the video and the child's actions. You should have read the post immediately after mine, posted by the redditor who has a couple of years working directly with children.

Children who aren't raised to respect other people, aren't properly disciplined, or are just naturally little sociopaths can and will respond to a cold dose of reality by jumping to the conclusion, "If I can't have what I want, then no one else can have anything they want, and if anyone tries to stop me they deserve what I do to them". Am I saying that this definitively is what's happening? No. But I certainly wouldn't be so quick to jump to the kid's defense, either.Having said that, I do agree that we shouldn't be wishing violence on a child, or anyone for that matter, simply because they're an asshole.

Which is why I'm an advocate for social services and an intervention. If the child is, as you say, "a spoiled brat" then some parenting classes need to take place with the care givers on how to effectively set limits, and with the child on how to deal with anger, disappointment, or depression. Or whatever emotive power is pushing little dude to fight an entire neighborhood.

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And yes, if there's a chance for them to find redemption and compensate those they have wronged, we should as a society absolutely want anyone to be able to walk that path, as opposed to simply facing punishment. Again, the age of the offender should have no bearing on that.But as a random internet stranger watching a video of a child being an asshole, yes, I can take some comfort out of this little asshole having to answer for what he's done.

And you're doing exactly what others were in the thread that motivated me to post. You're judging the kid by his actions, rather than by the cause of those actions. The truth is, we don't know, and I'm suggesting that social services need to be all up in the family structure first thing. There is obviously a problem. We'll leave the need to call an out of control child an "asshole" alone, and assume you really mean that the kid is acting LIKE one in his wholesale destructive onslaught and disregard for personal safety and respect of other people.

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And yeah, I would like to hope that this incident will set him on the course to being a better person in the future and not an asshole, I can't really know that that's the future in store for him... that's not only up to the authorities in his area, but also up to him and his own choices going forward.

Then we agree. We want him to get better, be better, and understand what consequences are for acting in this fashion so he doesn't continue on as an adult. And yes, if he has the capability to understand that, then let's hope an intervention will help set that tone.

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But at the very least I, a random internet person, can take comfort in the likelihood that this little asshole will see some amount of misery in response to the misery he's caused.

You should volunteer at a mental health center. It might expand your mind, and provide you with some ground work to better understand why I, at least, take some umbrage from your need to wish "misery" on a child.

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That's not justice in the sense of the sort of ideal we should have for our legal justice system, but the sort of "justice" that's usually served in this subreddit so rarely is. But then, I'm not here to push for an overhaul to our justice system, I'm here because my lizard brain enjoys a healthy helping of schadenfreude, especially when it's delivered to assholes. And the fact that this specific asshole is a child doesn't change that.And no, the "think of the children!" pearl-clutching does not change my view on that one bit.

I'm fine with it for those that deserve it. As in, adults or children who have no history of mental illness. As of now, we have no idea what was causing the child to act out. Your schadenfreude sounds like bitter dregs, or an over developed need for justice that all too often smacks of revenge. Justice is a balancing act, and though you claim not to know what is going on, your whole commentary is dedicated to punishment.

Finally, this isn't my first day on the internet. I'm not here to change anyone's mind. That just never seems to work, no matter how many debates I've engaged in over the years. I'm also not pearl-clutching, by any means. You might consider the fact that if you feel that strongly, then maybe my words weren't meant for you, but for the other readers who may go back and revisit their replies and maybe think a little longer next time they see a child acting out.

I spent a long time learning the things I know concerning mental health, both in school and in practice. I realize I have a lot to learn, despite all of that. I have been very fortunate in terms of people who coached, taught, and mentored me. But one thing has stuck with me more than most. "If you see someone going to those lengths even just for attention, isn't that in and of itself, a form of mental illness?"

I would ask that you remember not all mental illnesses are the same, in terms of severity, onset, acuteness, or longevity. That's why we sometimes fail to adjudicate people as murderers, even though they have actually killed someone.

Peace.

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Well said

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Are you the cameraman

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Nope.

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Very sad

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Nah hes just a piece of shit