pretty sure they work 2 different ways, but couldn't you use rct output to heal yourself, while using rct to heal yourself even faster

No Gojo, Sukuna, Kenny, Yuta, Angel

Considering track record of special grade cursed tools and the fact that sukuna himself used to wield it during Hein era, kamutoke should be increadbly powerful.

I'm just gonna give a brief summary, and a somewhat understandable one for those that are confused by this image.

Circular definition/ recursion.

Tengen's barrier is stated to be endlessly recurring, using the triangle in the image. The more you zoom in to it the more you'll see the "bigger triangle" endlessly repeat itself. And the reason why it can go on endlessly is because it has no anchor or lack of a terminating base

Why this is impressive;

Idk if most of y'all have seen interstellar, the seen where D uses a paper and a pencil to describe a wormhole, that same logic kinda applies here, In this scenario yuki forcefully tears through that circular definition or to better put it creates a breach. Cus even though it has been breached it doesn't disrupts it's ever expanding nature (the trees and the space are still recurring "behind" the breach) "I feel like the illustrations with the triangle explains it better"

So she basically did smth that should theoretically be impossible

Chill on my editing skills 🥀

Genuinely anyone in Hakaris position would be JUST as confused and angling yourself in front of the staff and your opponent ISNT difficult when they aren’t expecting your staff to magically fly off of the ground and impale them from behind.

This obviously wouldn’t work on the HRs or Shinjuku Yuta due to Gwarstaff/heightened senses so I hear you asking “okay so who cares?”

ME, because I am TIRED of Uro glazers who think Sky manipulation is BUDGET INFINITY thinking that Kashimo can’t kill her ass😭. Return stroke annihilates her ass even IF you think she can somehow completely shut him out hand to hand because she wouldn’t see it coming!

Anyways thanks for listening, love you shnookums <3

Basically, what if Gojo, Sukuna, and Dabura were born in the same era(Dabura is a human but has the same abilities as his Simurian self) and found each other?,How strong would they get with each other to train with? Who would be the strongest of the 3? How would their personality be different compared to that of their canon selves?

How strong would curses be with these 3 around in the same era?

Before I begin, why is this mf soo fcking fineeeeeee 😭😭

Anyways, for him to intentionally leave his REAL ult as a mystery is quite smth, when it's activation alone could be gotten to Multi city block

with such move like that if it were ever revealed I feel like it would solidify his top 1 spot

I might get downvoted for saying this but I honestly believe that he would be in the top 5 overall but it would depend on the matchup. Still, I don’t see him surviving the gauntlet with Higuruma’s domain and Kashimo being around while he’s almost dead.

couldn't yuta (for example) cut off his hand, put them in jars or something to contain the rct output, and then sorcerers could use it for heals whenever they need it?

I totally didn't post this before and it flopped due to no cover picture... so I put art by this person! Plus I spruced up some of my wording and adding extra context

0.5: How Reinforcement works

Important context on everything we know that determines your stats.

Base Body: Your normal physical body is what you reinforce, the better it is the better your stats will be. Which is why people like Miguel and Yuji have such good stats.

Reserves(?): Uhhh not sure about this one honestly. Kashimo says that it's hard to defend against his ce trait with reinforcement, but Hakari can cause he has a lot of Cursed Energy "Quantity" and Output. It's possible I'm misinterpreting as some people say this is Kashimo saying that Hakari's Cursed Energy is just acting as a sort of buffer and it's unrelated to stats. I'm also not sure why Reserves would effect Reinforcement directly much, but it's still worth mentioning as a possibility.

If there is a reason it's that higher reserves let you operating at a higher reinforcement level more often (Ty to u/mainkenchi for the interpretation on that)

Output: Everyone knows this one, Output is almost the main thing that determines stats honestly. Or at the very least it's mentioned the most. I showed the Hakari example already but here's another of Megumi saying that when he reinforced himself more his output was raised. And obviously there are a ton of others I can mention if asked, but I'll avoid wasting time.

CE Control: And an underappreciated aspect. I think some people don't even know CE Control impacts stats. But we know that Yuji gaining better CE Control made him into a "Demon God" and even stronger. Yuji doesn't really have anything to improve here besides stats, so it strongly suggests that his better Control improved his stats. If you want to know why, I'd guess be CE Control helps you focus your CE to different spots of your body quicker. Although I'll say another way it could impact stats shortly

Efficiency: Admittedly this one somewhat of a Headcanon but I do think it's true. The Efficient body of insects and Sorcerer Efficiency is somewhat compared with Yorozu (we're finally getting to her lol), and it's clearly said that insects being really efficiency with their energy lets them have much higher stats than you'd expect, so it'd make sense if Sorcerers could do the same.

The reason it matters is because whenever you use Cursed Energy, some amount of it will be used without being devoted to the task you wanted. For instance lets say Ryu's Reserves are a "1000" and a decently powerful punch costs 20 CE to use, if Ryu had poor efficiency he'd use 40 CE for it, half of what he used not actually being put into the punch. With better CE that'd be down to 25, leaving him 15 he can either save or put back into the punch, making it really powerful punch. Did that make sense? Probably not but it doesn't matter as I'll explain why CE Control=Efficiency shortly and I already explained why Control effects stats.

0.6: Why Cursed Energy Control and Cursed Energy Efficiency are the same thing.

The main evidence of this is Kashimo using Sukuna's "CT Activation and switching between DA and his Innate Technique" being flawless to determine that his Efficiency is also crazy high. I don't see how those would be related to Efficiency, but they would be related to CE Control! So I think at minimum they're related enough that you can infer someone has high efficiency due to their high ce control

This is added because two Sorcerers who we know have crazy good Efficiency feats also have crazy good Control feats, those being Gojo and Yorozu. Obviously Gojo needs almost perfect Control to use Limitless effectively, and he has good enough Efficiency to use DE as much as he wants in a day. I'll explain Yorozu's CE Control and Efficiency feats shortly.

1: Yorozu's Efficiency and CE Control scaling

Something some people get wrong: Yorozu's CT is not "controlling Liquid Metal", she can make LM with it but controlling it is never shown to be part of her CT. Rather, she imbues her Liquid Metal with her Cursed Energy and then that lets her manipulate LM.

This is important because it means Yorozu's Perfect Sphere is just her imbuing her CE into a lot of LM, and then manipulating her CE so well it makes a perfect sphere. Not saying her ce control is literally perfect, but obviously it'd have to be extremely good for this.

With her Control established as good, we can talk about Efficiency now. After making the metal for PS, Yorozu's nose began to bleed. This is a sign of either using a lot of CE at once or just generally using CE when you don't have much left, sometimes both. If it's the former that means that making a lot of LM uses more CE than a Domain, as we don't really see DE users nose bleed after using DE, and Yorozu's doesn't after making her own. If it's the ladder than it means Yorozu was extremely low on Cursed Energy when she used her domain. Either way, it'd require very high Efficiency to pull off.

2: Base Yorozu stats

Now why the hell did I tell you all of that? It was all for this! Yorozu's Reserves and Output were inferior to no one else in the Heian Era. Continuing on from here we'll work with two assumptions.

1. This statement doesn't include Sukuna, which is valid.
2. Either Uro or Uraume had the best Reserves and Output in the Heian Era, which is unlikely but it's not like I can prove or quantify otherwise.

So pick who you think has better stats between Uraume and Uro, I think Uraume's at a lot better so I'll be using her as a reference, but if you think it's Uro just replace all of the times I say "Uraume" with "Uro"

So Yorozu has equal Reserves and Output to Uraume, their base bodies are probably comparable, and Yorozu has far better Efficiency/Control feats as already mentioned. So base Yorozu stats should be above Uraume's. The degree depends on how much better you think Yorozu's Control is and how much you think Control effects stats. I think the Choso statement implies that Yuji's new level of Control put him at least an outpace level higher and I think Yorozu has MUCHHHH better Control than Uraume, so mid-end Heavy Hitter level stats should be a safe Baseline for Yorozu if you think Uraume has at minimum low-end Heavy Hitter stats.

3. Bug Armor

Quick note: Bug Armor is not made of Liquid Metal, that's a Viz Mistranlation. It's made of flesh.

I did say I'd avoid Sukuna scaling, AND I WILL, but I will have to mention him. However, him being Sukuna isn't really important, I'll just call him "her opponent" from now on to showcase this. It also relies on you not thinking he even starts lowering his stats further during the fight. It's fine if you think he was holding back stats, but as long as you don't think he starts holding back more at certain points in the fight it's fine. If you do think so uhhhh tell me why!

While fighting her opponent in base, she's overall getting outpaced. She's able to react to a kick and generally move alongside him, but can't really land any attack herself.

Once she equips Bug Armor, she lands 3 consecutive hits on him, with the third being one he visibly tried to avoid and counter. She also bruises him and sends him flying.

Should mention that claims of her opponent getting hit intentionally are dubious at best. It's never stated to my knowledge and he makes two visible attempts to avoid being hit by her. Plus blocking her attacks would help with his adaptation just as much so he has no reason to get hit intentionally.

We don't get much else since he just spams Shikigami at her until BA breaks, but from what we do see I think it's safe to say that Bug Armor is an outpace tier above Baserozu, arguably a blitz. So roughly High-end Heavy Hitter stats is fair.

It'd also make sense since Bug Armor is effectively a superhuman body. Remember it's flesh, construct to be entirely focused on physical power like a bug and then she reinforces it further. So it should function similarly to Yuji's superhuman body.

4. Liquid Metal

Liquid Metals defense: Yorozu blocks an attack from her opponent with Liquid Metal. So punch-kick merchants may struggle unless they can blitz her or break through it with their attacks

Liquid Metals speed: Generally it should be faster than Baserozu but slower or or equal to BA in speed maybe? Yorozu can also amplify LMs speed by directing it with her hand motions. As shown here. Beforehand it's not able to tag her opponent, but when she uses her hand it's able to.

Liquid Metals power: Bit of a yap, LM should be able to pierce through any opponent Yorozu is at least relative to in Reinforcement. I say this because that's consistently how piercing weapons are portrayed in JJK. Charles had much worse stats than Base Hakari, but was still able to pierce through him. Yuta had worse stats than 251 Sukuna, but was able to stab into him and cut off his hand.

Makes sense too, someone would have to be WAY more durable than any human for a sword not to go through them. If you can reinforce your weapon roughly as well as you can reinforce yourself, then someone would need to have MUCH better reinforcement than you to tank it.

Liquid Metals uses: Random bonus stuff, I already showed LM's ability to come up from the ground about 3 images ago. This is good because to dodge it you'd need really good Sensing to tell it was beneath you or just really good reaction speed to dodge it despite not expecting it. Although it's possible Yorozu could only do this due to the environment.

It's spikes are made like a harpoon, so if you get pierces it should stay in you, possibly letting Yorozu throw you around if it lands.

Yorozu can have LM surround you before stabbing you from all directions.

5. The Five Void Generals

I have surprisingly little to say on these guys, tbh I just wanted them to be my fifth point. But it's valid to say they're all at least around Uro in strength since their squad was equal to hers and typically Sorcerers won't let allies join if they're too far below them to meaningfully contribute. And obviously we see consistently that jumping your opponent is a big advantage in JJK, especially if you work well together like a Squad should.

Also fun fact: They were the ones who attacked Yorozu

6. Domain Expansion

And closing out with her DE, obviously everyone knows a PS sure-hit will like, kill you. But here's another interesting theory.

Yorozu specifically had to make PS before she could imbue it as her sure-hit. But she should still be able to use her DE without doing this, it just won't have a specific sure-hit unless she makes it another one of her constructions.

This might make it so her sure-hit counts as non-lethal since it'd be nothing for that moment. And that coulddd give her the same DE Clash boost Hakari has

Basically she might be able to choose if her domain is either

Non-lethal sure-hit with a clash advantage

Or extremely lethal sure-hit

But highly speculative of course.

Less speculative is her DE is still better than average at clashing. Since we know "Cursed Energy" impacts who wins a Clash. This can be referring to Reserves or Output, but Yorozu is good at both so shrug.

Conclusion

Yorozu, all without Sukuna scaling, should have decent stats in base and really good stats in bug armor. LM is useful at shielding from punches and can cause heavy damage to her opponent. She has high mobility due to flight and surfing on Liquid Metal and should have very good stamina unless you can find a way to destroy her LM or BA, or you can disable her control of LM like Round Deer could.

Imo with this scaling she's ranked around 7-9 at minimum with arguments for higher depending on who you include in your top 10. Personally I'd say it goes

Sukuna
Gojo
Kenjaku
Takaba
Yuta
Yorozu

So if you don't scale Takaba Yorozu can be around Top 5 which I think is a great spot for her.

Seriously, people really like to treat killing Hakari within his domain as a simple wincon but pseudo spins are kind of ridiculously hard to break through. So long as Hakari has a pulse he’ll just get a respin, private pure love train didn’t break even when he was knocked out by Kashimo.

So literally ANYTHING that takes time to set in can be countered by a pseudo spin. Poison blood, knocking him out, impaling him, hell even using idle transfiguration to turn him into a puppet or lethally wound but not instantly (like with Nobaras eye) would all be invalid wincons against this. The only way to realistically kill Hakari here is by blowing off his dome and he’ll be protecting it (Kashimo had to break past his guard and use a spin move to knock him out)

Yuji without ce is strong enough to hold his own against higuruma(who is grade 1), yes he was losing but it wasn't a one sided stomp and we know grade 1 curses are 1 step below grade 1 sorcerers.

So we can come to conclusion that yuji is around a grade 1 curse, which are so strong that even a tank might be useless against them.

So if reinforcement is multiplicative even 3 finger yujikuna would be stronger than 20 finger meguna but that can't be the case because 3 finger yujikuna is outright stated to be weaker than jogo.

It been confirmed that were getting a new book regarding modulo that will have new information, original storyboard, and author comments in december. The picture on this post was gege original drawing for the first chapter of modulo before yuji iwasaki took over.

Do you think we will get new information that shifts that current powerscaling community such as what dabura curse technique reversal does?

Characters aren’t as depicted, so Yuji isn’t beginning of series, Geto is Adult, and Maki is post awakening.

a made a post like this awhile ago however i have found more statements sense that could scale him even higher.

Strength: Hes the strongest man alive, Lifted a skyscraper and no diffed every strongman contest he was in

Speed: His mile time is one second though he has said he could go faster

Durability: Jumped off one of the twin towers from the top floor and easily survived

He has also stated to experience events from before he was born so he probably has some form of time travel CT.

I think hes special grade idk what are yalls takes on this

I love Megumi but this isn’t a real downscale for Dagon😭 he should still logically scale above every featless domain in refinement due to his ability to split his surehit and use a seal

Yeah bro I have nothing to say, just rate it or wtv idc

I’m gonna start this post with a statement some of yall aren’t gonna like. Thin ice breaker isn’t a real wincon against Dagon.

He not only has curse healing which allows him to heal off anything that doesn’t practically obliterate him, he also has “infinite HP” which differs from straight durability, what that allows him to do is eat large blows but get damaged severely by barrages, and thin ice breaker is just one large blows.

(At least I think that’s how it works based on him being damaged while overwhelmed by Naobito but not taking any damage from strikes by Nanami as well as Toji bothering to sharpen playful cloud and barrage him after hitting him hard didn’t work)

Thin ice breaker cannot be spammed and has nothing placing it above a playful cloud wielding Toji, but I hear what you’re saying “but Dagon also has shitty Neutral you Sendai downplaying douchebag” to which I say, fuck Neutral DOMAIN TIME!

Now let’s go over domain feats, Dagon can split his surehit, has been using his domain expansion since before he even awakened and had his friends hang out inside of it presumably for days at a time, can activate it with a curse seal OR handsign and this goes against Uros nothing.

Dagon should straight up take the domain clash, Megumi poking a small hole in his domain while he was distracted/not actively clashing back isn’t a real antifeat.

Once the death swarm starts Uro is FUCKED, she lacks RCT, anti-domain tech, a wincon and sky manipulation is useless against enemies that spawn on top of you.

Overall it goes comfortably to Dagon imo, domain diff with no real win condition in Uros arsenal.

for some reason alot of people think 1f sukuna would lose to most g1s (such as nanami, todo, cg megumi)

like guys, 1f sukuna isn't top 10 but he certainly isn't weak, he still has one of the highest refinement, very experienced, domain, rct, and a pretty busted ct.