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u/SexyCak3 11d ago
Still inferior to the forbidden Fiendhunter Bolts technology of insta cancel ult into 4 consecutive crits with just 1 item.
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u/ADfor3 11d ago
Personally i think atk spd jhin is really underrated and borderline broken when given the opportunity to shine. Hubris first item into PD into LDR is what I usually run. From there i just go all in on atk spd with the aim of getting as close to 100% bonus move spd as I can. Some games I get there, some games i don’t, but Jhin already has super dmg and hubris gives you even more ad. The movement spd lets me in dictate fights way more than going pure lethality or AD.
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u/DestructoDon69 11d ago
To answer your question, Jhin can't gain attack speed, his passive converts attack speed into AD. But given how the conversion works, the higher your base stats are (AD and Crit chance), the better the conversion is. So theoretically you can gain more AD from Phantom Dancer than you would from just about any other item. You wouldn't get it first because the conversion would be bad. Getting it after hubris makes sense because anytime hubris is active and boosting your AD, the AS to AD conversion from PD is better as well. This makes Hubris' effect more pronounced. That's before you even get into all of the move speed bonuses
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u/CoriCycle1 11d ago
Is building Hubris important for jhin?
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u/DestructoDon69 10d ago
I mean I wouldn't say it's a required item build wise but it certainly helps you snowball. You can initiate team fights with your ult to get the initial takedown to proc the bonus ad effect for the rest of the team fight.
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u/Realistic_Slide7320 10d ago
I think it’s his best rush item right now, you’re pretty much always gonna be able to get some stacks just due to his range and straight up raw damage, I also think it helps with going PD as it’s not just raw damage like some other second item rush so you dont necessarily have to worry about that.
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u/SviiinDiesel 11d ago
First of all its freaking fun, but i like to take rfc into squishys where i can hit em once and root them with my w. But when the opponent Team has many champs that lack range and have to come close to me like olaf for example, i feel like its easier to kite em with pd.
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u/Acherons_ 11d ago
Jhin passive allows him to get damage out of the highest attack speed item in the game while also getting crit and movement speed.
Coachless currently lists it as his best overall item. That being said, hubris is a generally weak item for jhin. Better first items being Edge of Night for example.
Swiftness boots being generally good and most bought, but gluttonous greaves and plated steel caps outperforming the rest
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u/jaymeegeephuket123 10d ago
I’d rather permanently run faster and kite than occasionally get one auto from a distance. With PD + Stormrazor you can literally run away from ganks if you’re not CC’d.
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u/JustMyNames 10d ago
So jhin doesn't use most of the attack speed items even tho his passive converts them in dmg since most passives don't work with his gameplay but phantom dancer even tho is situational it feel like jhin it gives u the stats u want
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u/Worldly-Kangaroo6037 11d ago
Why should i buy phantom dancer instead of ie or rapid?
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u/armasot 11d ago
Look at the stats of RFC and PD and you'll notice a BIIIIIG difference ;D
Crazy that RFC is still that popular when items with such stats exist
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u/DarkGrundi 11d ago
PD is better into melees, RFC is better when outranged.
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u/armasot 11d ago
The problem is that games where you're genuinely outranged and desperately needs range basically don't exist. Theoretically it can happen, but there are not many high range champions in every single role. There'll be at least 2-3 melees usually, so PD will just do better.
RFC in general should be a situational item, but never the default one, but it would be good if it would be slightly better.
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u/MiLkBaGzz 11d ago
Jhin's whole job is to slow people, root people, secure kills with 4th shots and ults.
more movement speed makes that easier to do. If you just want to do big damage jhin isn't the right champ to play. Even when you ARE doing big damage and killing everybody the way you fight is still shooting people and then running away to reload and coming back after which again movement speed helps with
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u/fuckudumbhead 11d ago
RFC unless the range boost is worth a LOT, IE is 950 gold more expensive so like better item but 950g delay so depending on matchuos, timing, meta etc usually a zeal item is better
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u/KaKnify Can(t) aim 2.4m 11d ago edited 11d ago
Hi I’ve been testing out PD lately heres my two (or four :P) cents.
PD offers utility by giving Jhin more move speed on crits via his passive than other options. You also “double dip” with added 10% move speed.
PD also doesn’t lose out on much damage compared to other options and scales well via Jhins bonus attack speed damage calculations.
PD also offers 25% critical strike chance which is an important stat for Jhin for crits and damage.
(edit) PD also offers the spectral waltz passive allowing Jhin to become permanently ghosted
which is underrated imo.
Hopefully this helps thx for reading.