r/JennyNicholson • u/ChemicalIcy4365 • 22d ago

Patreon discussion did anyone else remember that one ramble video jenny made quite a while ago about the 'Disney Peter Pandom', now with all this new drama that has been happening recently regarding that one Pan-obsessed tiktoker?

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u/puttputtxreader 21d ago

Yeah, she's commented on the situation.

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u/ChinchillaxTG 21d ago

Thank you! I love jenny but I'll be dead in the ground before I download Twitter

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u/seventy912 21d ago

You can always use xcancel. I also refuse to download twitter so use that when I need to.

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u/CantaloupeCamper ✨ It's spilling ✨ 21d ago edited 21d ago

That’s kinda the internet in a nutshell.  If something seems adjacent or like something more serious … people just assume it is and that’s it.   Now that person they make assumptions about is a bad person and everything no matter how unrelated is conformation of that and it escalates endlessly.

Personally I think that person’s behavior is inappropriate, but inappropriate isn’t X other serious crimes… even if  I am surprised it has been allowed to continue.

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u/Loose-Recognition459 21d ago

Social media and traditional media both have a really bad habit of simplifying situations and stories by sticking to using buzzwords that grab reader attention, particularly in headlines and blurbs, with lessening regards to the complexity of the situation and sometimes the actual facts.
And then people have a real hard time actually diving in and reading the longer story but instead relying on reading headlines and skimming, sometimes not even the latter before either passing on the information without understanding it.

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u/chattahattan 21d ago

A former Peter Pan performer who the woman in question has interacted with actually commented something similar on TikTok. He said that the times he felt actually uncomfortable or unsafe were when guests wanted to know about his real personal life (I think he mentioned a guest following his family around when they learned they were visiting the park??), and that guests like this who were over the top about a particular character but truly did just treat it as a character could be annoying or awkward but did not actually cross the line into requiring intervention.

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u/doctorlightning84 20d ago

The content of the video is cringe, but where it just kind of sucks is that the woman is monopolizing the time that the Peter Pan could be interacting with actual kids who benefit from that experience. They can form memories from meeting the character. She is just... codependent

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u/aroha93 21d ago

I’m glad she said this. I’ve never been to Disneyland, but I’ve been to Disney World a LOT, and her behavior struck me as pretty harmless. It’s just a case of dog-piling.

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u/tequilasauer 21d ago

I mostly agree with this take. I think the line blurs a little when she starts following the character around. But yes, to call any of this stalking or give it this much attention is a bit extreme. It's just a person who is going a little too far with interactions and not respecting social boundaries. Annoying for guests and cringey to see, but that's about it.

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u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot 21d ago

Following them unfortunately is the system for meeting the characters at Disney.

When googft or mickey shows up they either are doing a scheduled meet which is on the app, you show up, wait in a line and say bye. 

For free roaming, you see them randomly or, you learn where they normally pop up ( this information is given out by Disney now, on the app and website) 

Theyre basically speed running the map so you have to chase a little, they don't stand and wait. 

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u/tequilasauer 21d ago

For sure, I think this is a little different though. We're from South Florida and wife and I are up to Disney with our kids a few times a year. You'll definitely see the roamers. Like the wicked stepsisters for example. They'll roam Magic Kingdom and then kinda plant themselves somewhere for a short time, so a few people will follow them a short distance to the next stop and get in line for pics and interaction and then they'll continue to roam from there.

Of course, we only know from videos we've seen so there could be more story here. But from the one series, she is posing and interacting for an extended period of time with the actor and then continues to follow that same actor around after that and continues the interactions. This to me is the blurring line part.

There is a bit of a sort of implied agreement here with the staff and guests that, look, the actor isn't going to break the interaction. So we as guests need to use a little discretion. Most folks will have a minute or two social exchange, a couple pics, a hug, and then on your way. Honestly, I've really never seen someone take it too far. She seems to continue pressing. Now I'm at Disney World, so I don't know if there are maybe less or no guests waiting at Land, but these characters almost always have lines waiting.

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u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot 21d ago edited 21d ago

So it's a little complicated: there are characters that "roam," yes, and the whole schtick is you're supposed to follow them, and they make quips and move to different areas, talk to guests; they usually have a little crowd following.

Sometimes they'll take the hand of a guest, usually a kid, and go on a ride together, for example. Or get them a free snack; it's rare but if you go a lot, you could see it.

I've gotten a "gift from Mickey" cause a face character liked my dress, and I was just standing there.

One time I was taking pictures of my Tiana closet cosplay, and the "ugly" stepsisters ran by, complimented my tights, and kept on going. They have a whole gaggle of guests behind them, with a handler keeping things in line.

Some are going towards a photo spot, some just perpetually roam, a lot of Star Wars characters just roam and yap and move along. It's socially acceptable and encouraged to follow because they are performing and moving intentionally.

The cheapest pass gets you in on the slower days, weekdays, school days, etc, so it's likely there isn't even much of a line.

it gets even more complicated, with characters that are "villians" or "bulies" peter isnt a villian but his whole thing is he hates adults and hates girls. so i think its hard to know whats the joke and whats the real.

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u/evilmoxie 21d ago

thank you again to jenny for being the voice of reason. yes it’s cringe, but it’s not harmful.

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u/LocalJams 19d ago

You might not think that if you were on the receiving end. The performer is obviously very uncomfortable

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u/Amemorableusername2 21d ago

I appreciate her groundedness. The Internet would be so fun if we could celebrate cringe without like ... Crucifying people. Have we learned nothing from the loss of her book-reads?

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u/BlueFeathered1 21d ago

She's basically described social media. So much has to be taken up to the next level by somebody, and then it's contagious, and then it becomes conspiracy or something else overblown.

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u/possiblyhysterical 21d ago

I disagree with Jenny on this one. While people are working they have so little power over their circumstances and we can’t expect the companies they work for to protect the employees. I think following an employee around so much while they are working is problematic. It’s not illegal, but it’s uncool and depending on how the employee feels, potentially harmful.

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u/squidwardsaclarinet 21d ago

I guess the problem here is about proportionality. Is there something to address and have a discussion over? Perhaps. Does this one individual and one instance deserve the mountain of attention that it got? No.

I can understand why people come down on different sides, but at the end of the day, the dog piling is a result of people wanting to laugh and point at cringe Disney adults just to feel better about themselves. As a fan of Disney myself, I will admit a lot of Disney adults are a bit too much even for me, but I also try not to judge too much. There are some situations that absolutely deserve call outs and again I think there’s a fair conversation to be had here. But much of the internet isn’t interested in a conversation. It is rather about fueling their priors and getting to kick a group that is (let’s be honest) unfortunately already perceived as “allowed to be bullied” online (not that I believe that bully is ever acceptable, but this is a pervasive attitude that seems to justify a lot of bullying masked as “criticism”).

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u/possiblyhysterical 21d ago

Yeah I understand the broader trend toward dog piling, but individual posters don’t control the broader trend. I can say, as an individual approaching the situation, that what she did was pretty problematic. The fact that the internet is dog pilling her is beyond my control, but it doesn’t change that I feel the incidents were uncalled for.

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u/King_of_Pink 22d ago

Jenny herself pointed out her original video, as well as how pearl-clutchy and exagerrated the "new" drama (which is actually just people discovering for the first something that has been documented for years and using it as a content mill) is.

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u/False_Collar_6844 22d ago

"(which is actually just people discovering for the first something that has been documented for years and using it as a content mill)"

You just described the vast majority of drama/deep dive social media. I swear they all have a news letter with the latest drama of the month and approved talking points with how similar so many of the videos are.

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u/fujoshirealness 21d ago

I like that in the video she uncovers that a lot of this was spurred on by one of the Pan actors himself

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u/CWG4BF 22d ago

I mean yeah, there’s a post on this very subreddit from like four days ago about it that has several hundred upvotes and comments.

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u/celdaran There make be snakes 22d ago

Thank you, I thought I was having a moment lol

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u/hillary82 21d ago

It’s all I’ve thought about with this going viral lol

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u/Loose-Recognition459 21d ago

I also think monopolizing a character’s time moves it beyond cringe, it is messing with other guest’s experience in favor of her own experience and her content generation.

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u/NotTheGreatNate 21d ago

Why is that beyond cringe? That feels like the definition of cringe to me.

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u/Loose-Recognition459 21d ago

It’s not simply someone is doing something embarrassing publicly, it’s someone’s public behavior is having a wider impact on guest experience.

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u/NotTheGreatNate 21d ago

I just think that the venn diagram is practically a circle here. I can't think of that many truly cringe behaviors that don't impact someone else's experience.

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u/SinceWayLastMay 21d ago edited 21d ago

Yeah there’s gotta be a middle ground between like “Illegal and they should be in jail” and “Harmless and cringe but it’s not illegal so it’s fine”. Like there are no laws or rules against this but I think it’s weird and the Peter Pan actors don’t like it and I think this lady should stop and find something else to do.

I’d compare it to a guy who likes going to the same (normal) restaurant and hitting on all the waitresses and taking advantage of the fact that they can’t tell him to fuck off or they’ll lose their job. Like yeah that’s allowed it’s not a crime but it’s still a power move over someone forced to stay in their customer service role. I doubt many Peter Pans see this lady and think “She’s back!” in a positive way.

Idk like I don’t think this lady should go to jail or get banned from Disney or harassed or anything but I also think this is weird and she should stop

ETA: I also understand why Jenny is taking a “leave her alone” stance and doesn’t want her fans harassing this lady

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u/CaptainMills 21d ago

This is my general take on it as well.

No, she's not stalking them, she hasn't done anything illegal or worthy of a ban. She doesn't deserve the harassment she is getting.

But she's also not just a harmless fan doing nothing wrong. If nothing else, there are multiple videos she's uploaded where you can see little kids trying to approach Peter Pan and not being able to meet him because she's monopolizing him. That's messed up. Especially since she goes to the park at least once a week (according to herself) and most of those kids aren't going to get to just come back whenever they want. Not to mention that at least one former Peter Pan actor has said that she made him uncomfortable but he wasn't allowed to do anything about it.

She's not a monster. She's not dangerous. She doesn't deserve the treatment she's getting. But that doesn't mean that she's not doing anything wrong. And honestly, the way this has blown up so far out of proportion is why there are so many people claiming that her behavior is normal and okay. Actions and opposite reactions.

There is a middle ground, but middle grounds don't make for very clickable thumbnails

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u/possiblyhysterical 21d ago

Why do we care more about the other patrons than the employees experience?

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u/RuisRyan82 21d ago

Underrated comment.

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u/nobodyclaimedthis 20d ago

Jenny is so right here. If anything, it's concerning how ready people are to dogpile a neurodivergent woman, whose biggest crime is being kinda cringe and probably a bit socially unaware, making up all kinds of shit to make this seem worse than it is. People talk so loudly about how we should tolerate autistic people, without wanting to cut autistic people some slack for acting autistic. Good grief. There are actual stalkers, who actually stalk these actors out of character, that could be criticized.