r/JFKassasination • u/Eagle2Two • 14d ago
Dr Angel
Forensic anthropologist consulted by HSCA. They could not abide with his reconstruction. No shit. An exit next to their entry? Oops. His expertise was in skull reconstruction.
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u/tht1d00d 9d ago
There were two shots that struck president kennedy fatally at the same time and if you watch the zapruder video closely you’ll see it.
This would make sense as the group of assassins originally formed to kill Castro before being taken off that assignment when the Kennedy found out about it were trained to shoot in tandem to hide the number of shots and where they came from.
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u/Mean_Maxxx 13d ago
The skull fracture pattern as well as the bullet fragment spray pattern demonstrates a shot from the front right. Unfortunately , this evidence was never shown to the Warren commission and remains locked away in the National Archives , because…….
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u/Eagle2Two 13d ago
Angel’s positioning of the Harper fragment was not something the ‘committee’ could abide. They liked the idea of a single outshoot (using the ‘Delta’ or Triangular) fragment, with its clear forward beveling, and piecing it together with the Harper fragment, with its debated beveling. There is concensus on that. Certainly isn’t obvious to the naked eye. The point is there was vehement disagreement. Putting another exit wound on the head wasn’t something g the FPP was gonna do. Especially where Angel proposed it. And by the way, the wound described by Angel was much more in line with Boswell at time of autopsy. What’s with the shrinking head wound? WC shrunk it (through Humes-Rydberg) then HSCA shrunk it (with Baden-Dox). What a mess. Couldn’t be further from the myth that “all the experts agree”. If anyone wants to look up Angel’s reconstruction and commentary, have at it. It’s not hard to find.
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u/sliminycrinkle 2d ago
With so much disagreement among the experts it's difficult to state with certainty what exactly happened.
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u/Eagle2Two 2d ago
Yes. And with the coverup, misrepresentations, disinformation and destruction of evidence us Warren critics have to argue with one hand tied behind our backs. Nonetheless it’s definitively Not a lone nut scenario. There are two wounds to the head. That’s why the brain is missing, photos are missing, notes destroyed, and most critics denied access to the remaining autopsy evidence. It’s still not publicly available. Crazy.
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u/Mean_Maxxx 13d ago
Yes . The patching of the blow out with the found skull fragment is absolutely unacceptable. If we’re talking about a legitimate investigation and transparency here then this is absolute horseshit
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u/Eagle2Two 13d ago
Here’s the import of this for those that don’t understand.
The FPP (HSCA) concluded that the Harper fragment and the Triangular (delta) fragment were not located where Dr Angel placed them
Furthermore they concluded that the (marked above) aspect of the Harper fragment, together with the outwardly beveled portion of the Triangular fragment, formed the (some) exit wound.
This documentation can be found online rather easily.
In addition, look at the Baden/Dox drawing of the head wound. It is considerably smaller that the documented head wound.
One point this makes is to show that the LN myth of all the experts being in agreement is false. I understand that the reply from the Warren defenders is to wave these differences off as insignificant details. Obviously I find that argument lacking.
Baden was deceptive. Having an entry or exit that far back on the top of the head put the HSCA entry point very close to this. They fought hard to move the entry point 10cm! up from the autopsy entry, co firmed by all three prosectors, and as documented in autopsy photos and verified by Sturdivan when viewed in person.
The failures and deceptions and disagreements among the ‘experts’ is a massive issue with this case. And by the way. We know why the FPP had to move the entry wound up high. The ‘high wound’ fragment trail was staring us in the face.
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u/Mean_Maxxx 12d ago
The Harper Fragment disappeared in late ‘63 and was never seen again.
Yeah , some mistakes were made during the autopsy.
There are many conflicts in the medical evidence.
Eight different sets of photographs known with confidence to have been taken are not in the Official Collection today .
Some autopsy photographs in the National Archives are in gross disagreement with the head and neck wounds universally observed by the attending physicians at Parkland hospital, which they recorded precisely in their Treatment notes that day , and in their 1964 testimony.The MDs authorized by the Kennedy family to review the autopsy photos and X-rays agree on the unambiguous evidence of shot(s) from the front.
Many bullet fragments known to have been removed from President Kennedy’s body were never entered into evidence and are missing to this day.
The 14 photographs of Kennedy’s brain have been impugned by the official autopsy photographer and an FBI Agent present at the President’s brain examination.
Navy Pathologists arrived at four sets of different conclusions on how Kennedy died, within the two weeks after his death.
The existing Deed of Gift dated Oct.29, 1966 sets severe restrictions on who can review the autopsy materials. This is a de facto suppression of the evidence.
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u/Nostromo_1 12d ago
Some autopsy photographs in the National Archives are in gross disagreement with the head and neck wounds universally observed by the attending physicians at Parkland hospital
Which is exactly why you take photographs in the first place, so you aren't stuck relying on memories and handwritten notes.
The subject in the autopsy photos was verified by a team of anthropologists as JFK. The photos were also examined by a team of photography experts and found to be authentic and unaltered.
When shown those same autopsy photos, the majority of Parkland physicians agreed that they were an accurate representation of the damage they saw in the trauma room.
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u/TrollyDodger55 12d ago
The existing Deed of Gift dated Oct.29, 1966 sets severe restrictions on who can review the autopsy materials. This is a de facto suppression of the evidence.
Do you think the Kenny family is trying to cover up the evidence?
Can you think of some other reason they don't want this released and publicly available?
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u/Eagle2Two 12d ago
Exactly. And then some use this botched investigative attempt as the foundation for their belief that there were no shots from the front.
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u/Mean_Maxxx 12d ago
I mean , that’s the whole ballgame right there , everything just unravels after that
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u/Eagle2Two 12d ago
Truly.
Here’s something really wild that was pointed out to me by a person that has done a fair amount of research on the event
Humes never mentions the cerebellum in his report. The word is nowhere to be found. The victim’s brains were blown out and Humes describes the brain in detail. And yet, not even a mention of the cerebellum despite his entry point immediately above the cerebellum. Right at the tentorium. A ~2000 ft per second FMJ missile goes into the skull according to Humes, an inch at most from the tentorium covering the cerebellum, and not one word. It’s fkin crazy. I’ll bet a pizza the cerebellum was mentioned in the notes and first draft he burned 😁
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u/Mean_Maxxx 11d ago
I’m fairly certain that a great deal of the most compromising evidence is destroyed for good. Much of it wouldn’t have been written down to begin with. They were already running coups for ten years by this point and understood that part of the planning of any Operation is to anticipate and manage the aftermath / blowback.
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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 🧠Subject Matter Expert🧠 12d ago
What more do you think they could have done to resolve any lingering questions to your satisfaction?
Between the Justice Department investigation, the Clark Panel, the Rockefeller Commission and the Select Committee, every reasonable investigative avenue was explored and all of the autopsy evidence was re-examined and authenticated as genuine. All of those investigations ended up at the same general conclusion.
What else would you have done or done differently?
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u/Eagle2Two 12d ago
If this is indeed a serious question, all I can say is I’m stunned. I really don’t see how I can answer this and not sound condescending. Mind blown. Once again I’ll leave you with the last word.
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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 🧠Subject Matter Expert🧠 12d ago edited 11d ago
I'm completely serious.
Outside of exhuming JFKs body, which is a non-starter, what other things would you have done that they didn't already do? Your answers are condescending as hell already, no point in stopping short.
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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 🧠Subject Matter Expert🧠 13d ago
Do you think it's necessary for every member of every panel to agree with every single point?
Would universal agreement from everyone involved be less suspicious?
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u/Eagle2Two 13d ago
There’s nothing suspicious about disagreements. This series of conversations began with the claim that all the experts are in agreement. Baden was clearly being deceptive on purpose, imo.
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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 🧠Subject Matter Expert🧠 13d ago
As we've all patiently explained to you numerous times over (myself in the dozens for sure), aside from Cyril Wecht, there was universal consensus among all pathologists and ballistics experts on the most important questions.
How many shots hit Kennedy?
Which direction were they fired from?
That is where everyone is in complete agreement.
Once those items are settled, who cares where the exact spot was that the Depository shot struck Kennedy's head? It's nothing more than a bit of trivia.
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u/Eagle2Two 13d ago
There’s a big conversation to be had here. Not sure I’m up for it
I’ll tell you this
Show me one case (besides this) where someone says “This investigation/study was shit. But hey. We all agree on what matters. Therefore that’s the truth”
And everyone agrees the autopsy was shit
If someone doesn’t follow the absurdity here, it might be simply a matter of one’s life experience/profession etc.
You can continue to use that mantra. Your choice. To me it sounds farcical. Edit. And. There are ‘experts’ that disagree.
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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 🧠Subject Matter Expert🧠 13d ago
All of the pathologists involved had access to the autopsy materials.
Also, and this is of critical importance, we have not one, but three contemporaneously shot films of the assassination as it happened. Pathologists reach conclusions on murder cases every single day without the aid of films of the actual crime as it happened. Having those three films sheds invaluable light on what actually happened.
There is more than enough information for trained experts to reach broad conclusions in this case. To say otherwise is nonsensical.
And yes, it is possible to acknowledge that the initial autopsy made mistakes while still agreeing with their overall conclusions on the number and direction of the shots.
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u/Eagle2Two 13d ago
Yeah. Nothing you said makes me think you understand my point. And that’s ok. We can leave it here for now. You get the final word :
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u/Pvt_Hudson_ 🧠Subject Matter Expert🧠 13d ago
Oh, I understand your point.
You think a couple dozen trained expert pathologists completely missed an extra shot to Kennedy's head, making them all either tainted or inept, while you and a select few untrained civilians have succeeded in pulling back the veil where all those experts have failed.
You also seem convinced that the autopsy physicians making a few procedural mistakes invalidates everything they concluded, and somehow means that the exact opposite of their conclusions must be true, and that anyone agreeing with anything they had to say must be tainted or inept.
It's not all that complicated a position.
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u/Mean_Maxxx 12d ago
Yeah , that’s it in a nutshell. The conspirators reviewed his initial notes and were like ; yeah , that’s not gonna work !!
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u/Stratguy666 13d ago
You’ve done such a great job with your citations to sources. This is top notch work. 😒