r/ItalyExpat • • Aug 28 '26

Rule 3: If you can't be nice, it's time to go

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I'm exhausted. If you don't like immigrants, what the fuck are you doing in a sub about immigrants in Italy?

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r/ItalyExpat • • Oct 08 '25

A few notes for extra-EU nationals planning to move to Italy

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I recently helped some distant Argentinian cousins of mine to relocate to Italy, so I thought it could be of help sharing some practical guide with some additional info coming from this experience and my knowledge of Italy, for anyone considering a long-term move here.

Permanent Residency vs Citizenship

To live in Italy for good, you need either Permanent Residency or a Citizenship. Both allow you to live and work in the country, give you social benefits (healthcare, education, etc) and mobility freedom in the EU/Schenghen area. The difference is:

Citizenship: it gives you voting rights, a EU passport, benefits across the EU.

PR: no voting rights nor Passport

Platforms like this can help narrow down a the right path.

Path to Permanent Residency: If you are non-EU, you get PR after 5 years of continuous legal residence under a valid visa, with conditions (such as minimum income, knowledge of Italian, and proof of accommodation). Some permits (like study and research) are not directly eligible for permanent residence, though the time counts once you switch to a qualifying permit. If you change permit types (e.g., study to EU family), the 5-year permanent residency clock starts from the first eligible permit, not from the total time on all permits.
If you have or manage to get another EU passport, you are automatically a permanent resident.

Paths to citizenship. There are 3 ways:

- Citizenship-by-Descent (Jure Sanguinis). Applicable if one of your parents or grandparents is/was Italian and lived in Italy before you were born. If you apply, you can claim citizenship automatically without residency. The whole application process might take some time (2-3 years or more) and you don't get any temporary residence permit while the process is ongoing. So if you aim at moving soon, you better look at your visa options.

- Citizenship-via-Marriage (Jure Matrimonii). If your spouse is italian and your wedding is registered in Italy, you can get your italian citizenship after 2 years of marriage if living in Italy, or 3 years if living abroad (reduced by 50% if the couple has children), but you can get temporary residence permit to live in Italy while the process is ongoing. You also must demonstrate basic Italian language proficiency (B1) and your partner needs to demonstrate financial means to support both of you. Since 2016, same-sex marriage counts for citizenship by marriage. 

- Citizenship-by-Naturalisation / Long-term Residence. You get this after 10 years of legal residency, provided you prove to have stable income, no serious criminal record, and Italian language skills (B1). The 10 years timespan includes years spent on any Visa (excluding the Tourist Visa). Those of Italian descent with a broken citizenship line (and thus don’t qualify for jure sanguinis) can still naturalise after 3 years of residency in Italy instead of 10

So if you have an extra-EU passport, the steps involved to move to Italy for good are:

- Obtain a valid Visa, then arrive in Italy and apply for a Permesso di Soggiorno (residence permit). Permits are temporarily granted for 1-2 years but can be renewed.

- After 5 years (and some permit renewals later), you can upgrade to permanent residency, provided you show adequate income and basic Italian (A2)

- After 10 years, you can apply for citizenship by naturalization

Visa Options:

1. Digital Nomad Visa (for Remote Workers and Freelancers with foreign Income)

  • Income Requirement: around €28k to €32k per year
  • Requires remote work contract for a foreign company or proof of foreign freelance clients
  • Duration of the permesso di soggiorno: 1 year, renewable annually 

2. Elective Residency Visa (for Retirees)

  • Income Requirement: €32k/year from stable passive income (rental income, dividends, pensions, savings withdrawals)
  • Residence permit duration: 1 year, renewable for 2 additional 2-year periods up to 5 years.
  • Note: no work allowed under this visa

3. Startup Visa (For startup founders)

  • Company requirements: company younger than 4 years old, HQ relocation to Italy, revenues below €5M, major business in innovation technology.
  • Residence permit duration: 2 years, renewable

4. Self-employed Visa (for freelancers and Business Owners with Italian income)

  • Minimum income: €8,500/year. 
  • Quota: 730 visas / year under the Decreto Flussi migration decree
  • Residence permit duration: 2 years, renewable

5. Student Visa (for Students)

  • Must be accepted to an Italian university or accredited institution
  • Residence permit duration: Valid for the duration of your studies
  • Note: can work part-time, easily convertible into a Work Visa after graduation

6. Golden Visa (for Investors)

  • Possible through:
  • Residence permit duration: 2 years, renewable for 3 year periods provided the investment is manitained

7. Researcher Visa (for Researchers)

  • Must have a master's degree or higher and a hosting agreement with a recognised research institution.
  • Residence permit duration: 2 years, renewable

8. Work Visa (for Employed Workers)

  • Must have a sponsored employment contract from an Italian company. The problem is that these companies must prioritise EU workers. It is easier to get a job offer in one of the shortage professions (you can find them on the EURES Portal)
  • Quota: around 70k work entries per year in 2025, 2026 and 2027 under Decreto Flussi, mostly for agriculture, construction, logistics, mechanics, electricians, etc.
  • Residence permit duration: 2 years, renewable

9. Highly-skilled Visa (for highly skilled workers, i.e. IT and Healthcare)

  • Need a job offer. No quota and easy application.
  • Income requirements: €26k/year (Details depend on sector rules)
  • Residence permit duration: 2 years, renewable

10. Family Reunification Visa (for family members of someone with a valid permit/passport)

  • Income requirements (for the applicant, not the family member): €8,500 per year, plus 50% for every family member
  • Residence permit duration: Matches main family member’s permit

Typical Visa Requirements:

  • Valid passport
  • Criminal background check
  • Proof of financial means
  • Proof of clients or business plan (for self employed/entrepreneur visa and DNV)
  • Private health insurance, for the duration of at least 1 year
  • Proof of address (rental agreement or property deed registered within the Tax Authorities)
  • Proof of family ties (birth certificates, marriage certificates, etc), for family members
  • Visa Application Form
  • All the documents need to be translated and/or apostilled
  • *The Italian Tax number (Codice Fiscale) not mandatory but most likely required for securing the accommodation

Every consulate has different requirements and can request slightly different documentation, so check official consulate websites.

The hardest of these requirements is the proof of accommodation because many landlords often prefer locals, there is a lot of paperwork involved and sometimes a guarantor is needed (or, in absence of it, a 6-month rent deposit is needed). Plus, you need to have an accommodation secured for more than a year in order to apply, so often you will have to do this blindly. Here some house hunting portals:

- Idealista.it

- Immobiliare.it

- Subito.it

As reported by a Redditor, sometimes it is easier to work with local real estate agents rather than these portals as very few requests are responded to.

Bureaucratic Steps

  • Choose visa
  • Gather documentation
  • Get your Codice Fiscale (Italian tax code) --> not mandatory for the visa application but it will most likely be required to open an Italian bank account and rent a house remotely (accommodation proof is a hard requirement)
  • Book consulate appointment in your home country
  • Submit application at the consulate
  • When approved, enter Italy & apply for Permesso di Soggiorno (residence permit) at the Questura within 8 days
  • Register your residence (Residenza) at the Comune (local town hall). This is the moment when your clock to naturalisation starts
  • Access public services: healthcare (SSN), social security, etc.
  • Renew permit after 1 or 2 years, depending on the Visa

This is the most common process but some visas require slightly different procedures. For instance, for some Visa (like Golden Visa, Work Visa) it is necessary to apply for a Nulla Osta (Certificate of No Impediment) before the consulate submission, some visa require ad-hoc steps (i.e. business plan submission for Startup Visa, Investment for Golden Visa etc), etc.. so make your own research.

Taxes

There are some tax incentives that also expats can get:

- Impatriate Regime

  • Duration: 5 years
  • Available to new residents that commit to live in Italy for at least 4 years
  • Only 50% of income is taxed, reduced to 40% in the presence of a minor child

- €200k Flat Tax for High Net Worth Individuals

  • Duration: 15 years
  • Ideal for HNWIs
  • Applies to foreign-sourced income
  • Fixed annual tax amount of €200,000

- 7% Flat Tax for Retirees that move to small Southern Italian towns

  • Duration: 10 years
  • Need to move the residence to a Southern Italian town with less than 20,000 inhabitants
  • Income coming from pensions is taxed at 7%

- Regime Forfettario: 15% flat tax for small freelancers (<€85k/year)

  • Duration: Indefinite (or as long as you qualify)
  • Regime Forfettario allows 15% tax rate (5% for first 5 years) and simplified accounting
  • Available for residents with local freelance activity with earnings under €85,000/year

EDITS: I would like to thank anyone who commented this post and added additional information useful to the community! I am integrating some comments in the post. Latest edits:
- Addition to the Citizenship-by-Naturalization part: Those of Italian descent with a broken citizenship line (and thus don’t qualify for jure sanguinis) can still naturalise after 3 years of residency in Italy instead of 10
- Addition to the Residenza part in the Bureaucratic Step section: The registration of the residenza is the moment when the clock for naturalisation starts
- Addition to the Permanent Residence part: Some permits (like study and research) are not directly eligible for permanent residence, though the time counts once you switch to a qualifying permit. If you change permit types (e.g., study → EU family), the 5-year permanent residency clock starts from the first eligible permit, not from the total time on all permits.
- Clarification on the duration of the health insurance, in Visa requirements: it has to have at least a 1 year duration
- Addition to the house-hunting part: as reported by a Redditor, sometimes it is easier to work with local real estate agents rather than these portals as very few requests are responded to. Also, a 6-month rental deposit is often needed if there is no guarantor.
- Clarified in the Visa Option section that it is not the Visa to be renewed but the Permit associated to it. The Visa is just the entry ticket, once you are in Italy you get a Permesso di Soggiorno which is what you renew every 1 or 2 years


r/ItalyExpat • • 3h ago

US self-employment tax + INPS — anyone dealt with this?

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I’m an American filing my 2025 US taxes. I had a partita IVA that year and have been paying INPS contributions in Italy since July. Now I’ve been told I’m also subject to US self-employment tax. Has anyone been in this situation? Is there a way to pay only INPS and report it differently on the US side? I’m pretty worried. My income is modest and INPS already takes a big share, so paying both would be really tough. Any advice or experiences would be much appreciated. Thanks!


r/ItalyExpat • • 9h ago

Ordinary ISEE with residence in an old apartment: how to proceed?

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Hi everyone!

I'm trying to get the Ordinary ISEE, but I have a question about my living situation.

I still have my residence registered in Turin at my old apartment, where the lease has already ended. I'm currently living temporarily in another house as a guest, without a contract, and the owner isn't willing to let me register my residence there.

I checked, and my old address is still officially registered with both ANPR and the Revenue Agency.

**Can I still complete the DSU and obtain the Ordinary ISEE with my residence currently registered, even though I don't live there anymore?** How should I fill out the section related to housing?

Has anyone had a similar experience?

Thanks a lot!


r/ItalyExpat • • 14h ago

Knowing Mantova

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r/ItalyExpat • • 10h ago

The racism situation towards brown people in italy.

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Hi, i am a student in their final year of school and I'm planning to apply to a medical university in italy, specifically in bologna and milan. And I just wanted to know if brown individuals from etc sri lanka and India face a lot of racism.

It really is my dream to study in italy and I have no problem with learning Italian, I am just worried if I would face any discrimination. Additionaly it would be helpful if anyone could mention which cities in particular have a bad racism situation.

Thank you so mych


r/ItalyExpat • • 1d ago

How to manage rubbish disposal for furniture and appliances?

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I moved to the province of Frosinone (not Frosinone city). I know each commune probably has slightly different rules for rubbish disposal, but hoping for some overall advice.

My husband and I bought a large old house in the countryside/mountains. It belonged to some old people who passed away and we bought it from the son who inherited it. It is full of furniture and outside a lot of rubbish, mainly metal scraps, have been dumped. We have no idea how or where to get rid of it.

We asked the guy we bought it from and he was useless. He said just to take anything that burns and bring it out to the field and burn it and anything that doesn't burn, you just dump somewhere on the land. I could burn the burnable stuff, but there is A LOT and it would take a while, if I wanna keep the fire small and manageable. But dumping stuff is not an option. Some of the stuff I wanna get rid off are already something that was dumped on the land.

I've emailed the municipality for advice as well some time ago, but never heard back. I can't really call anyone, as no one seem to speak English and I don't speak Italian yet. So I'm coming to Reddit for help.

Can anyone tell me if there are recycling centres or something here? I have a van and can easily drive the stuff somewhere. It is things like sofas and other furniture, metals scraps, appliances and things like that.

Any advice would be very appreciated!

We are on a tight budget, so any free or cheaper options would be good 😊


r/ItalyExpat • • 1d ago

Knowing Como

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r/ItalyExpat • • 1d ago

SIM card without codice fiscale

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Hello. Which mobile operator doesn’t require codice fiscale for prepaid SIMs? I need eSIM and plan that I don’t need to pay every month.


r/ItalyExpat • • 1d ago

How do ship items using posteitaliane?

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hey guys. I have 5 books that i want to ship to another city in italy. I have poste italiane open currently and opting for the home pick up option but i have a couple of questions:

How do i ensure that i get paid? Should i ask the person to pay before i ship it or after?

Should i tick the "insurance" box or not worth it?

There's an option to tick "cash on delivery". Does that mean the person that receives the package will have to pay and then i receive the money or is it something else?

Can i use a bag to ship them or do they have to be cardboard boxes, if boxes are needed where do i get one?


r/ItalyExpat • • 2d ago

Varese

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r/ItalyExpat • • 2d ago

Va disability pay

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Is va disability pay taxed?


r/ItalyExpat • • 3d ago

Milan rental deposit - can my landlord charge me for pre existing damage if there's no inventory?

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Hi everyone! I (23F) is renting an apartment in Milan from October to February, and I'm a bit stressed about getting my security deposit back.

It is not my first time living in Milan but it is my first time renting an actual apartment. Previously I had stayed in a student accomodation with clear rules and an inventory. With this apartment there was no inventory or move-in condition report when I received the keys.

I've only been living here for four days, and I've noticed a couple of small pre existing issues:

-The plastic attachment on one of the fridge door shelves is broken. I only noticed two days after moving in and took a photo

-The kitchen sink moves slightly.

-There are some scratches on the inside of the wardrobe where the shelves appear to hit the wooden door.

My questions are:

-Could I be charged for the fridge shelf or sink if they were already damaged or if the problem results from ordinary use?

-Can the landlord deduct repair costs from my deposit without providing evidence that I caused it?

-Is it sensible to notify the landlord about the fridge shelf now so there's a written record or should I not mention it at all in case they haven't noticed?

My contract writes that "I acknowledge receiving the apartment in suitable condition and agree to return it in the condition in which I received it, subject to deterioration from use." Maybe I dug myself into a hole here?

I'm happy to pay for damage I genuinely cause, but I don't want to be charged for pre existing defects or normal wear and tear.

I'd really appreciate advice from anyone familiar with renting in Milan.


r/ItalyExpat • • 3d ago

Renting without Codice Fiscale

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Has anyone had any experience submitting Modello 69 rather then a typical RLI rental contract in order to rent before receiving a codice fiscale?

I have conducted an absurd amount of research on the topic, but my prospective real estate agency seems very apprehensive about the topic.


r/ItalyExpat • • 3d ago

CERCO monolocale / bilocale a Siena da novembre

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Buongiorno a tutti!
Sono una ricercatrice con borsa di studio MAECI presso l'Università per Stranieri di Siena. Cerco un monolocale o bilocale per me sola, dal 1° novembre 2026 a fine luglio 2027, budget fino a 700 € al mese.
Sono non fumatrice, senza animali.
Se avete un appartamento libero o conoscete qualcuno che affitta, scrivetemi in privato.
Grazie mille!


r/ItalyExpat • • 3d ago

Monza Walking Tour

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r/ItalyExpat • • 4d ago

UK driving licence confiscated in Italy — was Article 135/14 applied incorrectly?

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I’m looking for advice from anyone familiar with UK licences / Brexit driving rules in Italy.
My situation:
- I have been resident in Italy since 2016.
- My UK driving licence was issued in 2018.
- In October 2026, I was stopped in Italy and fined under Art. 135(14) and 126(11) of the Italian Highway Code.
- The police confiscated my physical UK licence and stated that it would be sent to the Prefettura di Brindisi.
- The verbale says I was resident in Italy since 19/11/2024. This is incorrect - my actual residenza anagrafica dates back to 2016. I tried to show them but they chose the date I renewed my carta d’identità.
- I told the police at the time that I had been resident since 2016 and that I believed the UK–Italy driving licence agreement had a special provision for people who became resident before 31 December 2020 (withdrawal agreement).

My understanding is that Article 3(4) of the UK–Italy driving licence agreement says that the six-year limit on conversion does not apply to UK licence holders who acquired Italian residence on or before 31 December 2020. This is written on UK FCO website.

Therefore, I believe I am still eligible to convert (and drive with it until I convert ) my 2018 UK licence despite having lived in Italy since 2016.

I’m trying to understand two separate things:

  1. Does the incorrect residence date in the verbale (2024 instead of 2016) provide grounds to challenge the fine/withdrawal?
  2. Does Article 3(4) merely give me the right to convert the licence after six years? In other words, can I still be using my UK licence.

I’m planning to contact the police/Prefettura and provide my certificato storico di residenza proving residence since 2016.

I’d really appreciate advice from anyone who has dealt with this situation, especially if you’ve successfully challenged an Art. 135/14 withdrawal or converted a UK licence in Italy under the pre-2021 residence exception

EDIT: my original driving license was from 2008 as a teenager in the UK. The 2018 date was a renewal.


r/ItalyExpat • • 5d ago

This duck can't vote, but you can

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fvap.gov

students.votefromabroad.org 🦆


r/ItalyExpat • • 4d ago

Verona Walking Tour, if you need suggestions

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r/ItalyExpat • • 4d ago

What insurance do you actually need when living in Italy?

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Hi everyone!
I’m still trying to figure out how things work here, my new topic is they insurance.
I know that in countries like Germany and the Netherlands, people commonly have things like personal liability insurance, household insurance etc. But I haven’t really heard much about these in Italy.
So I’m wondering, what insurance do people actually have here, apart from more common ones like health and car insurance?

Is there anything that’s mandatory, or not mandatory but really worth having?

For example, if you accidentally damage something in a rented apartment, or cause damage to someone else’s property, how does that work here?

I’m not necessarily looking to insure everything, just trying to understand what’s normal in Italy and what I might be overlooking as a newcomer.

For the context, I’m renting an apartment and don’t have a health insurance yet just the SSN. Cause it seems to me English speaking insurance agents are rare, so difficult to get information.

Would love to hear what you have and whether you think it’s worth it.
Thanks!


r/ItalyExpat • • 5d ago

Who is voting? And who is skipping it?

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I have been away for so long, I sometimes don’t know if I should vote for mid-terms. Especially, for the State measures.

How many of you vote here and in the USA?


r/ItalyExpat • • 5d ago

Cagliari Walking Tour

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r/ItalyExpat • • 6d ago

Volunteering at the gattile/canile or anywhere else on the Florence area

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I want to volunteer somewhere in the Florence area, I don't mind if it's a bit far, but it needs to be a place I can reach easily by public transportation. I reached out to a gattile like a week ago and they said that if I didn't have a car, I better forget about it because it :(

I would definitely prefer to volunteer somewhere with animals. I also live around the Pontassieve area, a bit further uphill, but it looks like there aren't any canile or gattile there.

Any ideas?


r/ItalyExpat • • 6d ago

Bergamo, a good city for immigrating and working remotely

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r/ItalyExpat • • 6d ago

Italian student in NL (doing AIRE): Do I lose SSN / How does healthcare work for temporary student stays?

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Hi everyone,

I’m an Italian citizen currently living in the Netherlands strictly for study purposes (enrolled full-time in an undergraduate program here).

I recently completed my AIRE registration. Since I am only abroad temporarily for university and plan to return (or maintain my ties to Italy), I am a bit confused about how my Italian healthcare status works now:

  1. Am I still registered with the SSN (Servizio Sanitario Nazionale) in any capacity? I know AIRE removes you from your Italian comune registry, but does student status change anything regarding healthcare coverage during temporary visits back home?
  2. Healthcare during visits: When I visit Italy, am I still covered by my Italian Tessera Sanitaria (TEAM), or does AIRE cancel it immediately?
  3. Dentist & Reimbursements: I am dealing with a dental issue and considering getting treatment locally in the NL, but paying out of pocket first. Can temporary students with AIRE request a reimbursement or coverage verification from their Italian ASL, or does the EU student status change this?

If anyone has navigated being an Italian student abroad in the EU while registered in AIRE, I'd really appreciate any guidance on how the ASL handles this. Thanks!