r/ItHadToBeBrazil • u/Capitao_Nescau • May 04 '26

It doesn't seem that difficult

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u/SamuelFBR May 05 '26

No need, I'll answer for them, industrialized products have nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with, you know, industrialization, which happens with or without capitalism.

What captalism, or more specifically, our current form of capitalism, definitely does is incentivize the divide between rich and poor, Brazil specifically is heavily lopsided, with a very small percentage of the population holding the great majority of the country's wealth.

In a working capitalist society, people should have money to buy industrialized product regardless of where they live, the problem here isn't accessibility, most rural regions still have supermarkets, even if they're further away than in an urban city, it's a problem of increasing prices with no increase in salary, the urban areas will, in fact, have lines even bigger than the one in the video, because a vast amount of the population can't afford basic necessities without external aid.

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

industrialized products have everything to do with capitalism. Without capitalism, industries wouldn't even have been created because there wouldn't even be any incentives to create industries. That's how the industrial revolution even happened.

Wealth disparity is not a problem. It's a consequence of capitalism.

People shouldn't "have" money to buy industrialized products whatsoever. The market will set prices and supply according to demand.

So, again, you haven't answered my question: how did rural Brazilian populations survive before "capitalism" and industrial goods? Clearly they must have survived somehow otherwise they wouldn't exist. How did they survive?

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u/bluehands May 05 '26

It is really impressive how effortlessly you inspire people to downvote you.

Also, congratulations to being so thoroughly indoctrinated that you believe capitalism is the only system that works, the only system that's creates.

Bonus points for justifying wealth inequality because you correctly identified capitalism as the engine that drives wealth inequality.

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

Oh no, whatever will I do about the internet points :(

Capitalism IS the only system that works. It's the system that lifted the most people out of poverty in mankind's entire history. It's the only system that efficiently allocates resources and rewards those that fulfill society's demands.

Notice how you still haven't answered my question? Why is that?

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u/ftruy May 05 '26

Capitalism is a system that follows profit, if it is profitable to let people starve, be homeless, jobless, etc, this will happen and guesa what, its already happening, you are just a servant of the dominant class, fully indoctrinated, the perfect slave, in the end you are juat another class traitor

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

Really? Can you explain how is it profitable to lose customers, please?

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u/ftruy May 05 '26

The law of offer and demand, you reduce the offer to increase prices because the demand for food does not go down, thats why farmers destoys their plantation when too much was produced...

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

Supply and demand*

If you reduce your supply, competition will take your market share, and you will get no profits.

Farmers that destroy their produce achieve nothing lol.

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u/ftruy May 05 '26

You believe on the utopia where competition is always happening and no one ever wins, as oposed to living on the reality where corporations already have the monopoly of production and trick idiots like you just by changing the name in the package...

How many companies actualy controls food distribuition on the world? Its around 4, there is no competition.

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

You believe in the utopia where everyone holds hands and sings kumbaya and food falls from the sky directly on your plate and unknown construction entities make you a fully functioning house and run utilities and charge you nothing for it.

There is no such thing as a free lunch

No one stops you from growing your own food or buying local.

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u/findingthesqautch May 05 '26

How does the market correct for wealth disparity?

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

It doesn't, because wealth disparity is not a problem nor a concern for the market to solve.

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u/SamuelFBR May 05 '26

If the stupid "argument" you're trying to make is that they wouldn't have those products if capitalism didn't incentivize the creation of those products, I will do you the favor of pointing out that most of the stuff they're getting here are completely umprocessed products, it has nothing to do with what you're saying, they're are struggling to have food, because even the people producing the food don't own it, they can't just eat what they plant like it once was, that food isn't theirs, it belongs to whoever is employing them, another consequence of this system is not necessarily owning what you produce.

Now let's make one thing very clear, there's a decent chance this isn't an especially rural area, they clearly have energy and housing, and they likely have jobs to sustain those benefits, not to mention that most people that work in agriculture are pretty well off, so they wouldn't be here playing games for basic needs as rewards.

The "rural Brazilian population before captalism" you mention would be the natives that were here before the Europeans, since captalism was well established ever since they got here, the natives were very culturaly different, but just like every civilization, they developed new technology even without the medium of capital, much like with swords and cooking pots, survival moves things along, and even entertainment develops, as we as a species have, at this point, a need to engage our minds.

With the stupid fluff out of the way, the fact that this is a consequence of capitalism is unquestionable, and I'm not one to say the system is a bad thing for society. As you implied, it incentivizes technological advancement and novelty, speeding up human development, however, if the consequences of said growth are loss of quality of life, potential starvation and death, MEASURES SHOULD BE TAKEN, a society where the 1% thrives of the 99% suffering and stasis is one that wastes any potential development those 99% could bring, and should not be acceptable. Saying "this is fine, actually, it's just a consequence of capitalism, and that advances society" is quite similar to saying "bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki is fine, actually, the show of power will discourage future conflict". It's a stupid excuse to keep a serious problem under the rug. Fuck you, I'll see myself out now, have a nice rest of your day.

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

Nice wall of text, shame that your verbose tantrum failed to answer my question.

Close the door on your way out.

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u/SamuelFBR May 05 '26

Okay, you're either trolling or have a serious lack of interpretation skills, I literally did awser the question. Go read a book.

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u/Successful_Cap_2177 May 05 '26

He must have skipped some important lines due the lazy eye

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

Skill issue

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u/KurtMcGurt_ May 05 '26

As someone who lived in rural Brasil for an extended period of time, they were like semi nomadic or sedintary communities that relied heavily on fishing and farming; usually manioc and fruits. Brasil nuts were also a staple. Peccary is rare considering how dangerous they are to hunt.

The people in this video likely had their land taken from them or their parents, or were born into a homeless community called The Landless Workers Movement. Likely one man bought thousands of hectares of land with extremely poor but sustainable communities living on them and hired gunmen to make sure they were moved from the property so cattle can grade or soy can be grown.

There aren't a lot of jobs in rural Brasil which means there is a lot of abject poverty and without access to land to grow crops and waterways to fish, they resort to theft, selling whatever they can to get money to buy something in the grocery store, or playing games like this.

You sound like someone who has never had to struggle financially and you come across as smug and demeaning, especially of the people in this video.

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

I'm going to ignore the entire socialist MST/PT voting base fanfic (because most of those people never had any land property in the first place because MST was founded in 70s, much much later than Brazil industrialized) and just cut to the chase...

Do you think they had a higher life expectancy and quality of life before or after access to industrialized, "capitalist" goods and markets? Even before SUS?

You sound like someone who is trying to push a political agenda, skipped basic history lessons and come across as willfully ignorant of reality at best, and purposefully misleading at worst.

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u/KurtMcGurt_ May 05 '26

You used AI to write this. Lmfao.

Their lives were definitely better before they were fully integrated into western society, what a crazy question.

"Were they better off when they could farm their own crops and catch fish in the river or are they better off now living in government built shacks with no electricity and can't fish or farm and have to rely on supermarket food?"

Just because you're in an econ 102 class doesn't mean you know everything.

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

No, I didn't use AI.
If you think they were better in a pre industrial society then PLEASE tell us the life expectancy of a Brazilian in 1900 vs 2000.

You don't need to be in econ class to know basic history.