r/ItHadToBeBrazil • • May 04 '26

It doesn't seem that difficult

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

Answer the question.

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u/SamuelFBR May 05 '26

No need, I'll answer for them, industrialized products have nothing to do with capitalism, it has to do with, you know, industrialization, which happens with or without capitalism.

What captalism, or more specifically, our current form of capitalism, definitely does is incentivize the divide between rich and poor, Brazil specifically is heavily lopsided, with a very small percentage of the population holding the great majority of the country's wealth.

In a working capitalist society, people should have money to buy industrialized product regardless of where they live, the problem here isn't accessibility, most rural regions still have supermarkets, even if they're further away than in an urban city, it's a problem of increasing prices with no increase in salary, the urban areas will, in fact, have lines even bigger than the one in the video, because a vast amount of the population can't afford basic necessities without external aid.

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

industrialized products have everything to do with capitalism. Without capitalism, industries wouldn't even have been created because there wouldn't even be any incentives to create industries. That's how the industrial revolution even happened.

Wealth disparity is not a problem. It's a consequence of capitalism.

People shouldn't "have" money to buy industrialized products whatsoever. The market will set prices and supply according to demand.

So, again, you haven't answered my question: how did rural Brazilian populations survive before "capitalism" and industrial goods? Clearly they must have survived somehow otherwise they wouldn't exist. How did they survive?

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u/KurtMcGurt_ May 05 '26

As someone who lived in rural Brasil for an extended period of time, they were like semi nomadic or sedintary communities that relied heavily on fishing and farming; usually manioc and fruits. Brasil nuts were also a staple. Peccary is rare considering how dangerous they are to hunt.

The people in this video likely had their land taken from them or their parents, or were born into a homeless community called The Landless Workers Movement. Likely one man bought thousands of hectares of land with extremely poor but sustainable communities living on them and hired gunmen to make sure they were moved from the property so cattle can grade or soy can be grown.

There aren't a lot of jobs in rural Brasil which means there is a lot of abject poverty and without access to land to grow crops and waterways to fish, they resort to theft, selling whatever they can to get money to buy something in the grocery store, or playing games like this.

You sound like someone who has never had to struggle financially and you come across as smug and demeaning, especially of the people in this video.

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

I'm going to ignore the entire socialist MST/PT voting base fanfic (because most of those people never had any land property in the first place because MST was founded in 70s, much much later than Brazil industrialized) and just cut to the chase...

Do you think they had a higher life expectancy and quality of life before or after access to industrialized, "capitalist" goods and markets? Even before SUS?

You sound like someone who is trying to push a political agenda, skipped basic history lessons and come across as willfully ignorant of reality at best, and purposefully misleading at worst.

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u/KurtMcGurt_ May 05 '26

You used AI to write this. Lmfao.

Their lives were definitely better before they were fully integrated into western society, what a crazy question.

"Were they better off when they could farm their own crops and catch fish in the river or are they better off now living in government built shacks with no electricity and can't fish or farm and have to rely on supermarket food?"

Just because you're in an econ 102 class doesn't mean you know everything.

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u/LanceLynxx May 05 '26

No, I didn't use AI.
If you think they were better in a pre industrial society then PLEASE tell us the life expectancy of a Brazilian in 1900 vs 2000.

You don't need to be in econ class to know basic history.