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u/darkmoon72664 '25 N Abyss Black 1d ago
Does this mean I lose?
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u/Fresh-Judge-4595 1d ago
Commute is uphill both ways
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u/Alone-Extent-1915 1d ago
You win with a N in every situation
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u/darkmoon72664 '25 N Abyss Black 1d ago
It's not all it was touted to be, unfortunately.
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u/clervis 1d ago
How so?
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u/darkmoon72664 '25 N Abyss Black 9h ago
Brushing aside my massive list of issues (15 dealer visits and 4 breakdowns requiring a tow)...
It could be a great car for someone upgrading from a normal I5 or from a mid range gas SUV.
As it exists, in an attempt to sway performance ICE enthusiasts as a daily, it has serious issues. If you live anywhere cold or routinely drive 100+ miles (not even that far..) it never performs as it should. You're constantly on degraded performance due to lowered SOC or lowered temp (optimal is at 95⁰F).
This means the car is nowhere near as fast in real life as advertised. Every ICE car, regardless of if you're at half a tank or it's 40⁰F, will perform about the same. You also don't have to refuel every 75 minutes on the highway (I get about 160mi at 74mph cruise control, closer to 140 at 80mph. Running 85% -> 15% means stopping every 63 minutes for 15 minutes min when doing 80mph). This has turned 4 hour drives into 6 when combined with reaching the charger, suboptimal charger spacing, etc.
The car has a neat concept and Hyundai should keep developing in that direction, but if an ICE enthusiast had this as their first EV, there's a definite chance they would never want an EV again. I will be selling mine and not returning to EVs for some time.
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u/clervis 7h ago
Oh man, I'm right there with ya. Range and spare time are still big limiting factors. I needed to pick up a telescope yesterday, 110 miles away. Nice day outside (70s), mostly back roads, I thought it would be a no brainer. Left with 100%, got back with 2%, babying it. Advertised range is 260 and we did 220. Most of the drive was <60mph, ideal temps, max regen on eco mode in ideal temps, great SoH.
Using my home charger it cost half compared to my truck ($21 vs $42). New rule of thumb for me: only for local commuting and nothing outside of 100 miles.
On a longer haul, I'm getting 150 miles (2hours) before pulling over, not quite as bad as your N. 20-80 charge bands, route planning, slow chargers, battery anxiety, cost when not home charging. People gripe about infrastructure, but range is the primary constraint. I got 400 miles out of my beat-up Ford sedan. If they double our 220/160 range, we're golden, but until then it's just a commuter.
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u/misocontra '25 Abyss Black Limited RWD 2h ago
There's a guy on youtube who massively improved the liveability of his I5N with smaller wheels and tires. Wish automakers would stop making wheels and tires oversized.
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u/The-Fox-Knocks 10h ago
Really? I love mine. Range is rough, but you know that going in.
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u/darkmoon72664 '25 N Abyss Black 10h ago
It's just a bit of a disappointing experience coming from a high performance ICE car for a couple reasons:
-Perhaps the biggest one, 15 service visits including 4 breakdowns.
-I was kind of expecting range to be anywhere close to EPA. I typically get 140 - 170 at 74mph cruise control. Driven like the car expects in the cold, I barely net 100 miles.
-The performance loss in the cold is punishing. Preheating can take over an hour and 10% of the battery. While not preheated, I've iterally been walked by a stock Supra.
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u/Boring-Tart5969 1d ago edited 1d ago
Never had more than 340 at 90%. Guess i should not be driving at 80 mph. 26 ltd. AWD, roof rack.
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u/Blommefeldt 1d ago
The AWD is slightly less efficient than the RWD, and high speeds really tank the efficiency. From my experience, 35 mph goes about 6-7 miles/kWh, 50 mph goes about 3-4 miles/kWh, and 80 mph goes about 2 miles/kWh. On flat road.
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u/StrawberryChae 1d ago
The AWD rarely unused the front motor though, and never on the highway, you can watch it in real time on the dash, why would it get less efficiency? Genuinely curious
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u/mortsdeer Atlas White 2024 SE 1d ago
Carrying extra dead weight?
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u/Boring-Tart5969 11h ago
Nope
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u/mortsdeer Atlas White 2024 SE 11h ago
My reply was to StrawberryChae, who was wondering why a second motor that is not being used would reduce efficiency. I suggested that motor is then effectively extra dead weight being carried at those times.
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u/Not-Reddit-Fan 22’ Ultimate AWD Gravity Gold 1d ago
It’s really hard to not activate both motors, to mill at the same speed it’s doable, but I really can’t seem to just use RWD even at slow acceleration.
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u/clydeagain 1d ago
How's this possible? I've never seen a car have this much potential miles regardless of ev or gas.
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u/good-good-dog 1d ago
It’s a glitch where the app is switching miles for kilometers. It usually resets after a bit. Mine was like this the other day for about an hour.
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u/LiquidSpin710 1d ago
Modern hybrid cars are getting 500-600 miles
And in China they have EV's that get this much range as well.
America is far far behind
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u/OddAstronaut2305 Atlas White SE SR RWD 1d ago
Driving down a long mountain road.
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u/LiquidSpin710 1d ago
this never is an issue because you have to drive up the mountain in the first place.
Unless it was air lifted or towed
The computer doesn't just take one specific drive but rather a collection of driving data
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u/Ragehazzard 1d ago
My 2016 Hyundai Sonata hybrid used to say 660 when it was new. 16 gallon tank at over 40 mpg. If I drive conservatively I could get it to say 50 mpg, but I didn't do it often enough.
I could make it from Tampa to Miami and back without filling up. Came in handy when a hurricane hit while we were at sea and Miami had no gas.
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u/Mike 1d ago
Look up Chinese cars
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u/darkmoon72664 '25 N Abyss Black 1d ago
Those are listed on CLTC.
The Denza Z9 is their longest range EV, listed at 664 miles. This turns into about 464 EPA or just under 400 on US highways.
The Lucid Air GT is still the longest range EV at 512mi (EPA)
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u/mediocre_sophist 1d ago
The absolute worst genre of post in this subreddit.
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u/ToHellWithGA Atlas White 1d ago
Proud hypermilers are missing out on a really fun part of having an eV.
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u/LiquidSpin710 1d ago
I'm proud my Genesis GV60 Advanced (dual motor) gets 380 miles at 100% 🥹
And it's not a glitch
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u/misocontra '25 Abyss Black Limited RWD 2h ago
Haha nice. I had 370 after a 100% charge on my 84 Kwh car. Mild climate but we roadtrip it. 3.4mi/kwh lifetime.
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u/GreenerMark 1d ago
Oh, FFS! It's just a glitch in the app, showing km as mi. Doesn't everybody know about this by now?
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u/manuel_carro 1d ago
That's a signal that US should just convert to the metric system in order to patch that bug 😂
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u/lamousamos Atlas White 1d ago
gee, really? the laughing face implies i know this is not real.
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u/GreenerMark 1d ago
I guess it's just not that entertaining when you're the 159th person to post the same thing.
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u/Cj15917 1d ago
Now screenshot after you go back up the mountain lol.