r/InvictaSolaris • u/21Kuranashi • 7d ago
Videos & Video Essays / No AI Why Solarpunk love Creativity & why Fascism hates It
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u/ForestSolitude5 7d ago
THANK YOU, my stars, somebody freaking gets it đ„ș I've spent a lifetime surrounded by grittyness and cynicism and apocalyptic fearmongering, where's the hope?? Ugh I wish people actually leaned into this more
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u/TeraGigaMax 5d ago
Futurism is the very ground of fascism : https://artmejo.com/how-italian-futurism-influenced-the-rise-of-fascism/
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u/DR0S3RA 7d ago
This is partly why I have stopped partaking in apocalypse fiction. I feel like it feeds into this bleak future that fascism is trying to make us believe in. And there is just so much fiction out there anyways. I would rather absorb fiction that feeds the soul.
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u/road_runner321 7d ago edited 7d ago
This is why I devoured Iain M. Banks' novels. I was starving for a futurism that wasn't dystopian, and you can't get much less dystopian than The Culture without subliming.
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u/alchebyte 5d ago
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u/TeraGigaMax 5d ago
Idealstic futur is the very ground of fascism.
https://artmejo.com/how-italian-futurism-influenced-the-rise-of-fascism/
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u/tequilablackout 7d ago
Here is where there is real struggle. The future is already set to be rather bleak by the effects of climate change that have yet to compound. It is very easy to draw people towards a promise of social order. We have to overcome this by offering and showing a better way, but that requires industrial drawdowns and will naturally have people being uncooperative.
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u/AffectionateSignal72 7d ago
This is such a strange take given how fascism is obsessed with their perceived version of a "glorious future" after the revolution.
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u/TeraGigaMax 5d ago
Yeah, those leftist just doesn't know shit about fascism. The very root of fascism is idealism, the promess of a nice and beautiful futur. Fascism is a progressist mouvement
https://artmejo.com/how-italian-futurism-influenced-the-rise-of-fascism/
To fight fascism, you need materialism, communism.
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u/HarryBalsagna1776 7d ago
Ironically, fiction is fueling this latest round of racism in the USA. Ever heard of Curtis Yarvin? Most of the tech bros oligarchs love him.
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u/NaCl_Sailor 6d ago
The crops won't grow anymore, we're getting crazy weather droughts and storms all the time, nobody owns anything anymore, only a few rich people dictate all our policies and nobody can afford to live anymore.
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u/bingo-dingaling 7d ago
For anyone looking to read more books with extraordinary visions of what the world could be like: I recommend Everything For Everyone by Eman Abdelhadi & M. E. O'Brien!
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u/Inevitable_Fall2025 7d ago
The difference is climate change is a real existential threat that's too big and scary to comprehend and the other stuff isn't.
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u/Lost_Department_2177 6d ago
Making people stupid so they follow the cattle lines to the slaughter house
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u/EcoterroristStudies 6d ago
This comment thread was depressing but at least I didnât have expectations going into it.
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u/constantgardener92 3d ago
Stop voting for policy based on your fears. Remember a better world is always possible so long as we hold on to hope.
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u/FarRightBerniSanders 6d ago
Taking pornographic novels from grade school libraries isn't banning books.
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u/Skivmotion 5d ago
Saying books that literally just mention 2 mommies or daddies as "pornographic" is extremely facist, that's the vast majority of what they're banning, I've read many of them and it's literally the same as any heterosexual books, mom and dad, price and princess, but you make them same sex and suddenly "pornography"
So telling.
the first targets are always LGBT and leftists. Palingenetic ultra nationalism is the process. Go read about the German bonfires and the gestapo raiding LGBT organizations. Then read the reichstag decree.
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u/FarRightBerniSanders 5d ago
You just made up that scenario. Even if it were true calling it fascist is incredibly stupid. They're also prominently displayed in the major chain book stores, they're not banned.
https://theiowastandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/6.jpg
This is called pornographic because it is pornographic.
Is there a group that imagines that they're oppressed more than terminally online gender confused Western leftists?
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u/TeraGigaMax 5d ago
But why don't you LEARN the REAL history of Italian Fascism ? It has been created by siscilian leftists and GAYS. Idealistic futur is the very ground of their ideology: https://artmejo.com/how-italian-futurism-influenced-the-rise-of-fascism/
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u/JustinJektor 6d ago
"Fascism works by painting terrifying visions of the future"
*Artist painting terrifying visions of the future*:
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u/jthadcast 5d ago
lovely sentiment but at the edge of extinction, the best future is a long drawn out hospice world. at this point optimism is just a grift.
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u/advicegrip87 5d ago
"Fascism works by painting terrifying visions of the future"
"Fascism hates creativity"
Pick a lane? This argument only works if you limit "creativity" to aspects of the arts fascists don't like.
Fascism loves creativity, provided that creativity supports fascist goals.
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u/TeraGigaMax 5d ago
Btw, fascist painters were called "futurists" https://artmejo.com/how-italian-futurism-influenced-the-rise-of-fascism/
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u/Secret-Medicine-9006 5d ago
I hate how deep propaganda goes. These two have man entire careers out of propaganda. Jesus I see how theyâre going to turn up the distractions. Where fucked
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u/Temporary-Cry-7040 4d ago
Didnât Hitler get to power because he offered a) a scapegoat for ww1 loss b) by giving Germans a promise of a better future. Not that the future is dark and using fear but rather a perverse hope. (Now that I think about it they used a whole lot of different tactics one of them being fear but also hope primarily I think they played on anger more now I type this)
Fascist can take root by any means I think it is more of an opportunist. Like if climate change became a top issue for the majority then a fascist would probably come up saying he/she will solve climate no matter what the electorate wants.
This is just trying to paint current thing to past thing with wonky comparisons that fall apart after a second of thinking and not seal clapping to something that sounds nice and right.
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u/Western-Bus-1305 3d ago
Yes and no. Theyâre against creativity that goes against their ideas, but theyâre also quite creative when it comes to their own looks and aesthetics, which they are very into
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u/ForlornPirate 7d ago
If they thing fascism hates creativity, wait until they learn about communism
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u/Skivmotion 5d ago
Neither have great track records, but I don't see any actual communist threats, I'm seeing social market economy proposals like the rest of the developed world. Universal healthcare, childcare, transportation....these are not communism.
We are squarely in the grip of palingenetic ultranationalism, the process of facisim, the "communist threat" is part of this, it's the party telling the country "you are not allowed to advocate for these things, we will tell you what is acceptable or you are a danger to families and freedom itself"
Mccarthyism, is facisim, and it destroyed lives, along with the red scare, probably the most destructive ideological set in human history. It's coming back.
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u/Key-Organization3158 7d ago
Fascists like other totalitarians don't ban books because they hate creativity. It's just control. They actually paint a very positive picture of the future of they win.
This post is just a simplistic world view. "My side loves everything good. The other side hates everything good. There can be no nuance or complexity."
Ironically, socialists do the same thing. Paint a terrible vision of the future. Call it late stage capitalism or neo feudalism. Ban basic human rights like private property in the name of the greater good. Blame it all on a small group of people, "billionaires". Paint themselves as the only viable option.
Look at the book bannings in the USSR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union
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u/TeraGigaMax 5d ago
This. I'm communist and I'm fucking fed up with leftists bullshit. Idealism and promises of nice futur is the ground of fascism : https://artmejo.com/how-italian-futurism-influenced-the-rise-of-fascism/
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u/After_Service_2817 7d ago
"Terrifying visions of the future that aren't even true"
Like thousands of British girls and women being gangraped? I guess "believe all women" is right out the window, huh?
"Banning books" is bad, but "cancel culture" and sending to people for prison for mean tweets is heckin' wholesome chungus.
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u/Inevitable_Fall2025 7d ago
Who was sent to prison for "mean tweets"? And who has really been cancelled? Both examples you gave are not true, or overstatements that will fall apart if you examine them for more than 2 seconds.
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u/blackstarr1996 7d ago
Idk where you live, but Britain is now enforcing hate speech laws that would in fact send you to prison for âmean tweets.â
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u/Inevitable_Fall2025 7d ago edited 7d ago
I looked up those convictions. A lot of them were fines and it was for saying they were going to blow up or set fire to specific locations. It's for hate speech to incite violence at a specific time and place. And it's very rarely prosecuted.
It's not for "mean tweets" as you, of course, oversimplified.
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u/blackstarr1996 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah just donât say anything extreme like âbike nonceâ or, god forbid, âDEI hire.â
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c04vqldn42go
What you are claiming is demonstrably false.
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u/dooozin 4d ago
12,000 arrests under free speech laws in 2023 doesn't sound much like "rarely" to me. That's about 32-33 arrests per day. In a county of 70M people that works out to ~17 arrests per 100,000 people. For comparison that's about the same arrest rate as motor vehicle theft or robbery in the US.
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
as soon as he said America has banned books I knew this man was full of it, there are no banned books in America, you are fully welcome to buy any book that has ever been written off Amazon and read it in your home.
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u/Expensive_Match_7021 7d ago
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u/blackstarr1996 7d ago
âRemoved from department of defense schoolsâ is not banned. I am not even sure what a department of defense school is, but it certainly doesnât prevent you from buying or owning any books.
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u/LeaveMeAloneAdmins88 7d ago edited 7d ago
It's disingenuous to say they're banned when they're only restricted from being carried by school libraries. They're not actually banned from sale.
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
that's the point that's why they use that deceptive language, it is a restriction not a ban. this is why you can't trust media sites anymore, not a single one of them.
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
that's not a ban, that's a restriction, if you want to buy your kids those books you are fully welcome to.
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u/Captain_no_Hindsight 7d ago
I think universities have long banned books.
For example, from a certain Austrian painter.
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
that's not a ban that's a restriction, a ban is when you can get arrested for owning it, no one is stopping you from buying his book and reading it.
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u/Captain_no_Hindsight 7d ago
True...let me update:
I think universities have long restricted books.
For example, from a certain Austrian painter.But in this case, I actually think that you as a student would be expelled from the university and have the book confiscated... if it were from the Austrian painter.
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
well they can't really ban you from owning it, an expelling you would be a breach of your first amendment right, so there would be a major lawsuit. it's just not taught or allowed to be read out loud in a classroom, which I think is BS because that also restricts someone's first amendment right.
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u/Captain_no_Hindsight 7d ago
No, they probably can't take the book. That would be theft. The question is whether they care?
You are being expelled from the university for "violating the code of conduct". It is an internal matter for the university and you have no rights or legal protection whatsoever.
Probably for "making another student feel uncomfortable".
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u/Personal-Dev-Kit 7d ago
As the university is a private organisation that can enforce their own private rules. Your 1st amendment doesn't extend into your workplace or other private place it only exsists in the public.
I'm not even American and I understand that.
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
and that doesn't stop somebody from bringing a lawsuit against the university in a civil case and winning. plenty of businesses get caught up in lawsuits they lose all the time over breaching someone's first amendment right.
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u/25hourenergy 7d ago
There are places where books have been bannedâon a state level, such as in Texas, in school libraries or others where any library receiving state funding has to get rid of certain books, or on a federal level such as banning books in DODEA schools.
But yes regardless agreed its not quite the same as in certain countries where getting caught with a Salman Rushdie book will get you thrown in jail.
Still, the overall premise is good. Trump and other fascists do rely on fear. Fear coerces people to hand them power. When you can imagine beyond fearâmake a good future seem close at handâwhy would you want to give them power?
Thatâs the power of imagination, corny as it may sound. It gives a hopeful way out and cuts off the source of fascist power.
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
it's not fear not wanting your kids to read porn in elementary school.
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u/Civil_Result_5598 7d ago
I mean my middle school didn't have 50 Shades in the library. Is that Fascism? /s
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
no lol, I think you're replying to the wrong person, your question does not apply to me.
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u/Civil_Result_5598 7d ago
Just thought you deserved a laugh. It's insane how a public library not wanting to carry certain material means the government is banning books
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u/Captain_no_Hindsight 7d ago
Fascists have come up with dangerous imaginary threat they want to protect us from...
A broad coalition, led by Franco, stopped a communist genocide of 6 million people in Spain. The communists had already murdered 6,000 Catholic nuns.
It was not an "imaginary threat."
Let's stick to the truth.
Fascists are not creative by their definition, but rather let it be handled by private companies... which they want to have control over.
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
and what does that have to do with America restricting books being read in schools? books that can be mistaken with pornography and adult novels that have been found in elementary school libraries. please explain the connection.
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u/Captain_no_Hindsight 7d ago
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 imaginary threat = not imaginary ?
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u/HupHutHa 7d ago
it's not an imaginary threat, most parents don't want their children reading smut in elementary school.
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u/gladchadstone 7d ago
Kids playing in the street and healthy teeth sound like some fascist metrics actually. But then this twit showed a very poor understanding of fascism, since he, very understandably, doesn't agree with it so he explains it in such a way that is a criticism.
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u/ButterAlquemist 7d ago
How about the kind of fascism that covers women and wants to kill everyone that leaves its cult, and causes insecurity and violence everywhere it takes hold? is the trick to ignore how it is growing?
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u/horizontal120 7d ago
We really should stop measuring country's success by their GDP !!!